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NothingButTheTruth;6111851 said:Not really. The first statement is addressing the definition of working hard. Basically saying it's completely subjective.
The 2nd statement was just a side-note on how people think solely putting in hours will take you further, when it's about efficiency.
konceptjones;6111671 said:desertrain10;6111657 said:konceptjones;6110867 said:Lil Loca;6110827 said:You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?
Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.
I agree with the strike.
No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.
huh?
according to nbc news the average age of an american fast food worker is 32....
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/whats-their-beef-striking-fast-food-workers-say-low-wages-6C10786787
with that said the service industry i.e. fast food, retail, etc is the biggest growing industry in america while the public sector is shrinking and as we all know manufacturing jobs aren't easy to come by. not to mention college tuition is going up ....
so what do you suppose we do as a country to help get people off of welfare and on their feet? ...
smh...
I find it interesting and telling that they don't cite exactly which paper this is from or even link to it.
taeboo;6111895 said:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/01/the-mcpoverty-calculator.html
Thought this was interesting....for those who think the cost of your big macs will double.
Would you like a living wage with that?
Workers at McDonald’s and other fast-food restaurants have been protesting in several cities and demanding $15 an hour, The New York Times says. We’ve also learned in news reports that some McDonald’s employees are paid with fee-heavy prepaid cards, and that a budgeting guide the chain put out for its employees had multiple jaw-dropping conclusions, including that employees would need two full-time jobs to make ends meet.
Some people are asking how much it would raise the cost of McDonald’s food if employees got a wage increase. In a March hearing on the federal minimum wage, U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., suggested that raising it to $10.10 an hour would increase the cost of a McDonald’s combo by just four cents. The national median pay of fast-food workers right now is $9.05 an hour, the Times says.
Arnobio Morelix, an undergraduate student at the University of Kansas business school, tried to do the math for $15 an hour. His findings were covered by Forbes and The Huffington Post, among others. Morelix’s math suggested a $15-an-hour minimum wage at McDonald’s would raise the cost of a Big Mac by 68 cents, a Big Mac combo nearly a dollar, and Dollar Menu items to $1.17.
However, he apparently based his analysis on McDonald’s corporate earnings and didn’t account for the fact that more than 80 percent of McDonald’s restaurants are franchises and not corporate-owned, HuffPo said. If McDonald’s franchises spend close to what a typical fast-food restaurant does on labor (about a third of income), that increase would look more like $1.28 for a Big Mac it said.
Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, told The Huffington Post such an increase would require some layoffs, but would not put McDonald’s out of business and would reduce turnover.
gorilla;6111676 said:You know why people ain't on their feet? Cuz they use to slackin. The grinders are either back on their feet on determined to get there. Like @konceptjones said, fast food ain't the only game in town. So if you need more than that to live, go get it. It's plenty warehouse, stock or skilled trades that pay over what they tryna get. Hell here in Michigan there are programs where the state will pay for you to get a trade. Havin a CDL can get you some good money and ain't hard to get.
Raisin the wage won't matter in the long run cuz eventually it still won't be "enough". It's the attitudes toward hard work and ambition that need to change.
desertrain10;6111928 said:gorilla;6111676 said:You know why people ain't on their feet? Cuz they use to slackin. The grinders are either back on their feet on determined to get there. Like @konceptjones said, fast food ain't the only game in town. So if you need more than that to live, go get it. It's plenty warehouse, stock or skilled trades that pay over what they tryna get. Hell here in Michigan there are programs where the state will pay for you to get a trade. Havin a CDL can get you some good money and ain't hard to get.
Raisin the wage won't matter in the long run cuz eventually it still won't be "enough". It's the attitudes toward hard work and ambition that need to change.
smh...scratches head
where u been bruh?
manufacturing jobs, agricultural jobs have been on the decline for decades ....and now the public sector is on the decline
mcdonalds and walmart are america's largest employers for a reason
not saying people shouldn't work to further their education, learn a trade, etc...but college tuition is going up, state budgets are being cut and therefore funding programs such as MIGHIGAN WORKS are being slashed, etc
nowsdays its truly a struggle to find a decent paying job ...hell just a job period
why do you think the unemployement rate is struggling or why so many people are a pay check away from poverty, and its not because the majority of americans are slacking
konceptjones;6111752 said:desertrain10;6111657 said:konceptjones;6110867 said:Lil Loca;6110827 said:You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?
Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.
I agree with the strike.
No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.
huh?
according to nbc news the average age of an american fast food worker is 32....
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/whats-their-beef-striking-fast-food-workers-say-low-wages-6C10786787
with that said the service industry i.e. fast food, retail, etc is the biggest growing industry in america while the public sector is shrinking and as we all know manufacturing jobs aren't easy to come by. not to mention college tuition is going up ....
so what do you suppose we do as a country to help get people off of welfare and on their feet? ...
smh...
in many cases, we gave them the tools, they simply chose not to use them. The path was laid out for everyone to use and you have the option not to but if that's your choice, prepare for the consequences.
I see cats that I came out of high school with doin shitty, and part of me feels bad for 'em, but the other part is like "we graduated with the same opportunities". I'm doing aiight, so what happened to them? where did they go wrong? Then you find out one started sellin drugs, one had 4 kids before 21, one caught a case and spent 5 years in the pen, one dropped out of college and did absolutely nothing after that and these will be the same people that are picketing McDonalds 'cause they want more money.
At the same time, there's cats out there that I graduated with that's doing better than me. I can't be mad at that shit at all. They went into fields that were more lucrative and it paid off for them.
MrWise;6111708 said:I Don't see how College tuition go up every year, But the Minimum wage doesn't. That's Moving backwards IMO
King_sorrow;6112357 said:Pay is relative to scarcity, you get paid for your value not what you feel you deserve. Mcds employees get paid that wage because they do a job any one with two hands could do and there are 1000s of people willing to at any giving time. The exact reason athletes get paid so much because there's only 10 ppl who could do the same job they can.
Now the only possible way this could occur us if they unionized, but that would take away jobs from those willing because unions must control the amount if labor supplied to the employer, hence there's Chrysler niggas with the skill set of a mcd employee but make 28-30 dollars an hour. But try to get hired and you either have to know someone or get lucky.
