so these burger flippers really think they deserve $15 an hour???

[konceptjones]

so basically the price of food will double

The price of food has already damn near doubled where you been?

i meant the price of value meal at the restaurant will double..you think corporations going to allow their cost of labor to double and not make-up for those extra costs some where..they have dividends to pay-out; debt servicing cost; stock values to maintain/improve; etc

Shit's not gonna happen.

Too much of a spillover/domino effect would cross over into other industries.

call center cats and data entry clerks gonna demand $20/hr, helpdesk gonna want $25/hr... There would be an explosion of 30-40K millionaires with leased BMW's and shit.

 

[konceptjones]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

Nah, bruh, I learned this in a class--they're working class women.

Companies want people to believe most of them are kids so that people will be opposed to raising it.

have you ever worked a fast food job? I have, several of them in fact. It was rare to have someone over the age of 21 if they weren't management of some sort.

Experience ain't stats, dear.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

So you can't admit that you're wrong statistically about workers being kids?

K.

Nothing to admit to. Since I know how statistics work, I know how they can be tainted to fit a particular argument.

and, I've already said that this is only the case because we're in a recession, so more older folks are resorting to fast food and expecting the hours and money they used to have. Let those people go back to their "normal" positions and watch the age drop (as it always does).

K.....

figures, you never have anything of value to contribute to any discussion on this board.

 

[deadeye]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

Nah, bruh, I learned this in a class--they're working class women.

Companies want people to believe most of them are kids so that people will be opposed to raising it.

I was about to make a joke about this.....but realized that this is probably true when I think about the fact that it is mostly female employees I see when I go to Chick-Fil-A or some other fast food place.

 

[playmaker88]

http://www.practicalmoneyskills.com/mcdonalds/budgetJournal/budgetJournal.php

McDonald’s Accidentally Reveals That It's Impossible To Survive With a McJob

Posted by Joe Hines on July 17, 2013

Well, that’s embarrassing. McDonald’s sample budget for its employees lays bare the reality of trying to make it on a food service job at $7.72 an hour (mildly above the federal minimum wage of $7.25). That’s the average for a cashier or crew member working 40 hours a week. There are several questionable assumptions built in this budget.

First, they incorrectly assume $20 a month for an independent healthcare plan (without Medicaid eligibility the average is closer to $100), no money for heating, a rent that’s $400 dollars lower than the national average, and no money for food. But the most glaring of all is the unfortunately correct expectation that a fast food worker needs a second job to get by:

Even with all of the company's rosy projections, without that extra $955 dollars the typical McDonald’s crew member would be underwater.

What McDonald’s also leaves out is that corporations paying below a living wage rely on corporate welfare, often in the form of Medicaid, the EITC, and SNAP. McDonald’s likely leaves those numbers out, even though would they make a marginal difference in the monthly budget, because they would also expose the extent to which taxpayers subsidize McDonald’s bottom line. That subsidy comes even as they earn a profit of over five billion a year.

McDonald’s shoddy budgeting matters because McJobs are on the rise. More specifically, jobs in industries with poor pay and benefits constituted the bulk of the jobs recovered since the recession’s end. And they’re not going to stop. Jordan Weissman at the Atlantic notes that “the BLS projects that food services will be among the fastest growing source of jobs for Americans with no more than a high school degree—right behind retail and home health aides.”

And bad jobs have been getting worse. Even as all professions have lost pay since the Great Recession, the pain has been focused most severely on workers least able to afford it. Since the beginning of the recession income declined the most for low and mid-range workers, a recent NELP report shows. Between 2009 and 2012 the lowest quintile of workers, those making $8.78 to $10.60 an hour, lost 3% of their income and the second quintile, those making from $10.61 to $14.21, lost 4.1%. Poorly paying jobs aren't merely on the rise, those jobs have had decreasing pay, doubtlessly exacerbating income inequality.

We need to revise what it means to be in service work. Although McDonalds posits that low pay can be corrected through smart budgeting, they themselves can’t imagine how it’s employees can survive on $7.25 an hour without a second job (and other unrealistic assumptions). In Retail’s Hidden Potential, Policy Analyst Catherine Ruetschlin models how if big retailers boosted low pay to living wages of $12.25 an hour it provide a substantial boost to the economy overall, as well as funnel money back into the company itself. A decent wage would diminish the government's implicit subsidy of low-wage employers, and, most of all, allow workers to maintain a reasonable standard of living.

That needs to happen and McDonald’s just inadvertently underscored why. Only smart policy, and forward-thinking investment in employees, can make McJobs sustainable.
http://www.demos.org/blog/7/17/13/mcdonald’s-accidentally-reveals-its-impossible-survive-mcjob

Yea i seen this monday i believe in tandem with an interview with a Dominos worker who was fired unceremoniously it was because he was tryin to organize workers.. and a Mc Donalds employee who has two jobs and a couple of kids because he was laid off from a job that paid him 17.50

edit: found it this was just a quick clip
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/all-in-/52616985#52616985

 

[konceptjones]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

Nah, bruh, I learned this in a class--they're working class women.

Companies want people to believe most of them are kids so that people will be opposed to raising it.

have you ever worked a fast food job? I have, several of them in fact. It was rare to have someone over the age of 21 if they weren't management of some sort.

Experience ain't stats, dear.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

So you can't admit that you're wrong statistically about workers being kids?

K.

Nothing to admit to. Since I know how statistics work, I know how they can be tainted to fit a particular argument.

and, I've already said that this is only the case because we're in a recession, so more older folks are resorting to fast food and expecting the hours and money they used to have. Let those people go back to their "normal" positions and watch the age drop (as it always does).

K.....

figures, you never have anything of value to contribute to any discussion on this board.

You take being proven wrong extremely poorly.

Your answer to facts that have been researched that "they can be twisted" when they don't fit in with your experiences?

People have no "normal" positions to go back to, being that the economy is falling deeper into a cesspool of shit. Looks like working women are going to be in these positions for awhile.

So what's your argument for not raising the minimum wage again?

Your views are always good for a laugh.

what facts tho? Cite a reference or something. I'm not going on your "bandcamp"-esque quote and taking it as fact, what book did you read? when was it published? Gimmie something intellectual to support your stance.

I'm reading through the BLS projections as I type this and will cite whatever I find, whether it supports me or not, as soon as I find it. I'm looking to see if these journalists have lumped all restaurant workers in together or are the pulling data for JUST the fast food workers (which is in the BLS data).

And this feminist slant you give everything is tiresome. Men and women are in these positions. This shit ain't just a "women's" issue, it an everyone issue.

But in your eyes, it's "fuck the men" and their plight in this too, right?

 

[konceptjones]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

Nah, bruh, I learned this in a class--they're working class women.

Companies want people to believe most of them are kids so that people will be opposed to raising it.

have you ever worked a fast food job? I have, several of them in fact. It was rare to have someone over the age of 21 if they weren't management of some sort.

Experience ain't stats, dear.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

So you can't admit that you're wrong statistically about workers being kids?

K.

Nothing to admit to. Since I know how statistics work, I know how they can be tainted to fit a particular argument.

and, I've already said that this is only the case because we're in a recession, so more older folks are resorting to fast food and expecting the hours and money they used to have. Let those people go back to their "normal" positions and watch the age drop (as it always does).

K.....

figures, you never have anything of value to contribute to any discussion on this board.

You take being proven wrong extremely poorly.

Your answer to facts that have been researched that "they can be twisted" when they don't fit in with your experiences?

People have no "normal" positions to go back to, being that the economy is falling deeper into a cesspool of shit. Looks like working women are going to be in these positions for awhile.

So what's your argument for not raising the minimum wage again?

Your views are always good for a laugh.

You can't read can you.

you aren't supposed to be able to afford a liveable lifestyle if your chosen career path is a fast food cook. get a real job

every job needs someone to do it. if everyone "got a real job" then who would do the multitudes of jobs that need to get done everyday? is this just like americans being angry at immigrants for taking jobs they don't wanna do?

if someone has a fulltime job, they should make enough to be able to meet their basic needs, and if they don't you are gonna pay for it one way or another

unless you're just cool with people starving in the streets

and jobs like these are usually done by teenagers that only work 20 hrs or so a week, more during the summer.

Ever notice how most jobs like this are staffed with teenagers??? That's because these are jobs for them, not the person with three kids and a mortgage.

I really don't think you get it, either that or you have a bleeding heart that's clouding your judgement.

lol @ thinking people should be able to meet their basic needs with their fulltime jobs being all that's needed to be considered a bleeding heart in america. are y'all just so disconnected that you don't even see how cruel you are?

i seriously doubt i am the one with the cloudy judgement here. welfare to corporations is a-okay, but god forbid we pay fast food workers $15, it'll be the end of the world 'murica, why do y'all keep insisting on going about things wrong when an easier and better way is clearly available?

McDonalds is NOT a full time job.

 

[BrideofKilla]

u work 40 hours a week u deserve a living wage... /thread

no, it's not that simple. You work 40 a week in skilled labor or labor intensive unskilled work, you deserve decent pay.

puttin in 40 at McD's doesn't qualify as either. And, yes, I've worked at McDonalds before (and Arby's, Taco Bell, and other joints). The only hard thing about working at McDonalds is unloading the truck.

Do you feel like professional athletes deserve to be paid millions?

Same thing I was thinking about this thread.

Why is there such a drastic difference in wages between entertainers and public service? The conspiracy theorist in me believes it's so that the powerful can control the masses through media.

I think if fast food workers get a raise then all public service workers should. And all entertainers/athletes should be paid alot less.

I also think that if they're making a career of being a professional burger technician that they need much more extensive job training. Raises should be based on quality of performance.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

u work 40 hours a week u deserve a living wage... /thread

no, it's not that simple. You work 40 a week in skilled labor or labor intensive unskilled work, you deserve decent pay.

puttin in 40 at McD's doesn't qualify as either. And, yes, I've worked at McDonalds before (and Arby's, Taco Bell, and other joints). The only hard thing about working at McDonalds is unloading the truck.

Do you feel like professional athletes deserve to be paid millions?

Same thing I was thinking about this thread.

Why is there such a drastic difference in wages between entertainers and public service? The conspiracy theorist in me believes it's so that the powerful can control the masses through media.

I think if fast food workers get a raise then all public service workers should. And all entertainers/athletes should be paid alot less.

I also think that if they're making a career of being a professional burger technician that they need much more extensive job training. Raises should be based on quality of performance.

That's more of a demand thing.

Professional sports and entertainment are so alluring because of the high pay, a very small percentage actually make it to the top levels, and the industries make a lot more money based on the individual.

 

[gorilla]

Give me service thats worth $15/hr and I'm cool. But we all know to expect the bare minimum when we go to these places and the wages reflect such. Let's not act as tho raising the wage will suddenly give people a new found pride in their job as a fast food worker.

I'm all for people supporting their families, but I can't adapt this attitude of "gimme" here. Mickey D's is not meant to support a family. Everybody knows this.

 

[Batman.]

Minimum wage in the US is too low. End of story.

It's ridiculous, 7.25? That's pathetic.

You know why these people spitting in your big mac? That's why, you don't give no fucks, they won't either.

 

[playmaker88]

Give me service thats worth $15/hr and I'm cool. But we all know to expect the bare minimum when we go to these places and the wages reflect such. Let's not act as tho raising the wage will suddenly give people a new found pride in their job as a fast food worker.

I'm all for people supporting their families, but I can't adapt this attitude of "gimme" here. Mickey D's is not meant to support a family. Everybody knows this.

You gotta be kidding me.. there are lots of people that do their job adequately and get paid more than you think they should.. Fast food workers arent the only ones with a "shitty" attitude about their jobs.. you can go from cops.. to teachers. bankers.. politicians... you just dont directly interact with these other people on a daily basis as you do food workers..

 

[BoldChild]

Athletes get paid the way they do because there are few people who can do what they do, and tons of people are willing to throw money at the pro sports business. On the other hand, there are millions of people capable of performing fast food jobs.

(Don't get me wrong, I think they need a raise. $10.50-$12.50 would be nice)

 

[taeboo]

Give me service thats worth $15/hr and I'm cool. But we all know to expect the bare minimum when we go to these places and the wages reflect such. Let's not act as tho raising the wage will suddenly give people a new found pride in their job as a fast food worker.

I'm all for people supporting their families, but I can't adapt this attitude of "gimme" here. Mickey D's is not meant to support a family. Everybody knows this.

So what would be your advice to those whose only option right now is to work in fast food? I don't any place in this country where $7.25/hr would provide an half way decent living.

 

[gorilla]

Give me service thats worth $15/hr and I'm cool. But we all know to expect the bare minimum when we go to these places and the wages reflect such. Let's not act as tho raising the wage will suddenly give people a new found pride in their job as a fast food worker.

I'm all for people supporting their families, but I can't adapt this attitude of "gimme" here. Mickey D's is not meant to support a family. Everybody knows this.

You gotta be kidding me.. there are lots of people that do their job adequately and get paid more than you think they should.. Fast food workers arent the only ones with a "shitty" attitude about their jobs.. you can go from cops.. to teachers. bankers.. politicians... you just dont directly interact with these other people on a daily basis as you do food workers..

There's a difference bruh. Those jobs require degrees and extra shit to go thru. Nigga just gotta show the fuck up to Mickey's. A position, say firefighter should get paid more than what their norm is, they actually risking their damn lives.

Life is about the hustle. Working fast food should be short term and understood that shit won't get you far. The goal is to aim higher. In conditions such as the current, you gotta get your grind on. You might have to work another job for a short time but that's life. I've been there and made it because I had higher ambitions and worked my ass off.

Why can't other people be expected to do the same?

 

[gorilla]

Give me service thats worth $15/hr and I'm cool. But we all know to expect the bare minimum when we go to these places and the wages reflect such. Let's not act as tho raising the wage will suddenly give people a new found pride in their job as a fast food worker.

I'm all for people supporting their families, but I can't adapt this attitude of "gimme" here. Mickey D's is not meant to support a family. Everybody knows this.

So what would be your advice to those whose only option right now is to work in fast food? I don't any place in this country where $7.25/hr would provide an half way decent living.

My advice would be keep ya head up and learn a new skill that's in demand. No joke.

Don't take my stance a apathy, I'm just a hard working man that believe in old school values. People too fuckin soft these days. See, modern day people wanna be able to buy that iPhone, that flat screen, those new J's etc while doin the least amount of work. That's what this shit is really about

 

[playmaker88]

Give me service thats worth $15/hr and I'm cool. But we all know to expect the bare minimum when we go to these places and the wages reflect such. Let's not act as tho raising the wage will suddenly give people a new found pride in their job as a fast food worker.

I'm all for people supporting their families, but I can't adapt this attitude of "gimme" here. Mickey D's is not meant to support a family. Everybody knows this.

You gotta be kidding me.. there are lots of people that do their job adequately and get paid more than you think they should.. Fast food workers arent the only ones with a "shitty" attitude about their jobs.. you can go from cops.. to teachers. bankers.. politicians... you just dont directly interact with these other people on a daily basis as you do food workers..

There's a difference bruh. Those jobs require degrees and extra shit to go thru. Nigga just gotta show the fuck up to Mickey's. A position, say firefighter should get paid more than what their norm is, they actually risking their damn lives.

Life is about the hustle. Working fast food should be short term and understood that shit won't get you far. The goal is to aim higher. In conditions such as the current, you gotta get your grind on. You might have to work another job for a short time but that's life. I've been there and made it because I had higher ambitions and worked my ass off.

Why can't other people be expected to do the same?

you sound like a republican.. scolding negros right now

 

[konceptjones]

Give me service thats worth $15/hr and I'm cool. But we all know to expect the bare minimum when we go to these places and the wages reflect such. Let's not act as tho raising the wage will suddenly give people a new found pride in their job as a fast food worker.

I'm all for people supporting their families, but I can't adapt this attitude of "gimme" here. Mickey D's is not meant to support a family. Everybody knows this.

So what would be your advice to those whose only option right now is to work in fast food? I don't any place in this country where $7.25/hr would provide an half way decent living.

I'mma throw it out here like this, 'cause I've only alluded to it but never really come right out and said it.

I left the IC in 2011 because I was out of a job. I couldn't justify it within myself to spend time on here 'cause that was time being taken away from my job search.

I got unemployment for over a year. By the time I got my last job, I was on the third tier of unemployment. We got food stamps. We got a lil assistance with the utilities. I won't go into specifics, but I found that there's a lot of gigs a person can get where you work from home making about $13/hr 20-25 hrs a week, some paying more; that helped tremendously

I put my abilities to work and we got by. Shit was stressful as fuck, but we got by.

I did not, at any point in time, go to work for some fast food joint or even Walmart.

This is with a family of six.

Fuck these people believe that the only option is fast food then complain about the shitty pay. I already knew that shit wasn't gonna cut it and wasn't about to sit off behind the counter slangin burgers for next to nothing. A simple google search got me some shit I could do at night from home making more than a burger flipper. That shit ain't the only option. There's other shit out there you can do. It's the only option if you're too lazy to look or if you're barely literate without a GED, and if that's the case... You pretty much deserve to be behind the counter talmbout "Welcome to McJack in the King Jr, can I take your order?"

 

[Rubato Garcia]

I support it. Fast food would then become the same price as regular food, destroying the fast food industry. No more fast food would only be beneficial to the nation as a whole anyway.

 

[MARIO_DRO]

YALL THINK PEOPLE IN 3RD WORLD CONTRIES EVEN MAKE 20 A MONTH?....GOTTA LEARN HOW 2 MAINTAIN

 

[playmaker88]

Its kinda funny in any other situation nigga be like stop hatin on so and so's money..

he gettin money though.. or some other cliche bullshit..

these cats tryin to work to live.. i dont think people aspire to be at mcdonalds for a minute sometime shit just happens

Cats will big up some aint shit ass niggas who gettin they money the sleezy way and call them real.. and all this shit but damn someone tryin to work and get money legally