so these burger flippers really think they deserve $15 an hour???

[playmaker88]

YALL THINK PEOPLE IN 3RD WORLD CONTRIES EVEN MAKE 20 A MONTH?....GOTTA LEARN HOW 2 MAINTAIN

cost of living,, and third world countries dont even have the illusion of being equitable

 

[gorilla]

Give me service thats worth $15/hr and I'm cool. But we all know to expect the bare minimum when we go to these places and the wages reflect such. Let's not act as tho raising the wage will suddenly give people a new found pride in their job as a fast food worker.

I'm all for people supporting their families, but I can't adapt this attitude of "gimme" here. Mickey D's is not meant to support a family. Everybody knows this.

You gotta be kidding me.. there are lots of people that do their job adequately and get paid more than you think they should.. Fast food workers arent the only ones with a "shitty" attitude about their jobs.. you can go from cops.. to teachers. bankers.. politicians... you just dont directly interact with these other people on a daily basis as you do food workers..

There's a difference bruh. Those jobs require degrees and extra shit to go thru. Nigga just gotta show the fuck up to Mickey's. A position, say firefighter should get paid more than what their norm is, they actually risking their damn lives.

Life is about the hustle. Working fast food should be short term and understood that shit won't get you far. The goal is to aim higher. In conditions such as the current, you gotta get your grind on. You might have to work another job for a short time but that's life. I've been there and made it because I had higher ambitions and worked my ass off.

Why can't other people be expected to do the same?

you sound like a republican.. scolding negros right now

Naw I sound like man who been on his knuckles and never wanna go back. See the problem with people, especially black folk, is that we get so hung up on what sounds "republican" or "democratic" that we forget what's really just plain common sense, right from wrong, hard work vs laziness etc.

Before you tell me I'm scolding Negros, understand that I've been thru some shit where the average person woulda gave the fuck up. But I didn't, I kept pressin and got a little piece of something out of life. I expect the same for others because I know I ain't that damn special, I just didn't give up. We've coddled people into being complacent, dependent and low expectation havin. You know damn well fast food ain't gon pay all the bills so why you bitchin? What were people back in the day doin? They were working more than one job and or having a side hustle. Americans are lazy and feel entitled. Plain and simple.

I remember my ganddad used to work a full 8-12 hr shift at the plant, get off work come home, hop in his truck and haul away junk for people and local businesses. Niggas ain't built like that these days. People want shit to be automatic.

 

[gorilla]

Give me service thats worth $15/hr and I'm cool. But we all know to expect the bare minimum when we go to these places and the wages reflect such. Let's not act as tho raising the wage will suddenly give people a new found pride in their job as a fast food worker.

I'm all for people supporting their families, but I can't adapt this attitude of "gimme" here. Mickey D's is not meant to support a family. Everybody knows this.

So what would be your advice to those whose only option right now is to work in fast food? I don't any place in this country where $7.25/hr would provide an half way decent living.

I'mma throw it out here like this, 'cause I've only alluded to it but never really come right out and said it.

I left the IC in 2011 because I was out of a job. I couldn't justify it within myself to spend time on here 'cause that was time being taken away from my job search.

I got unemployment for over a year. By the time I got my last job, I was on the third tier of unemployment. We got food stamps. We got a lil assistance with the utilities. I won't go into specifics, but I found that there's a lot of gigs a person can get where you work from home making about $13/hr 20-25 hrs a week, some paying more; that helped tremendously

I put my abilities to work and we got by. Shit was stressful as fuck, but we got by.

I did not, at any point in time, go to work for some fast food joint or even Walmart.

This is with a family of six.

Fuck these people believe that the only option is fast food then complain about the shitty pay. I already knew that shit wasn't gonna cut it and wasn't about to sit off behind the counter slangin burgers for next to nothing. A simple google search got me some shit I could do at night from home making more than a burger flipper. That shit ain't the only option. There's other shit out there you can do. It's the only option if you're too lazy to look or if you're barely literate without a GED, and if that's the case... You pretty much deserve to be behind the counter talmbout "Welcome to McJack in the King Jr, can I take your order?"

Salute and a bottle of the finest cognac to you bro

 

[desertrain10]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

huh?

according to nbc news the average age of an american fast food worker is 32....
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/whats-their-beef-striking-fast-food-workers-say-low-wages-6C10786787

with that said the service industry i.e. fast food, retail, etc is the biggest growing industry in america while the public sector is shrinking and as we all know manufacturing jobs aren't easy to come by. not to mention college tuition is going up ....

so what do you suppose we do as a country to help get people off of welfare and on their feet? ...

smh...

 

[konceptjones]

Give me service thats worth $15/hr and I'm cool. But we all know to expect the bare minimum when we go to these places and the wages reflect such. Let's not act as tho raising the wage will suddenly give people a new found pride in their job as a fast food worker.

I'm all for people supporting their families, but I can't adapt this attitude of "gimme" here. Mickey D's is not meant to support a family. Everybody knows this.

You gotta be kidding me.. there are lots of people that do their job adequately and get paid more than you think they should.. Fast food workers arent the only ones with a "shitty" attitude about their jobs.. you can go from cops.. to teachers. bankers.. politicians... you just dont directly interact with these other people on a daily basis as you do food workers..

There's a difference bruh. Those jobs require degrees and extra shit to go thru. Nigga just gotta show the fuck up to Mickey's. A position, say firefighter should get paid more than what their norm is, they actually risking their damn lives.

Life is about the hustle. Working fast food should be short term and understood that shit won't get you far. The goal is to aim higher. In conditions such as the current, you gotta get your grind on. You might have to work another job for a short time but that's life. I've been there and made it because I had higher ambitions and worked my ass off.

Why can't other people be expected to do the same?

you sound like a republican.. scolding negros right now

Naw I sound like man who been on his knuckles and never wanna go back. See the problem with people, especially black folk, is that we get so hung up on what sounds "republican" or "democratic" that we forget what's really just plain common sense, right from wrong, hard work vs laziness etc.

Before you tell me I'm scolding Negros, understand that I've been thru some shit where the average person woulda gave the fuck up. But I didn't, I kept pressin and got a little piece of something out of life. I expect the same for others because I know I ain't that damn special, I just didn't give up. We've coddled people into being complacent, dependent and low expectation havin. You know damn well fast food ain't gon pay all the bills so why you bitchin? What were people back in the day doin? They were working more than one job and or having a side hustle. Americans are lazy and feel entitled. Plain and simple.

I remember my ganddad used to work a full 8-12 hr shift at the plant, get off work come home, hop in his truck and haul away junk for people and local businesses. Niggas ain't built like that these days. People want shit to be automatic.

@bolded - That shit is the goddamned truth. I stayed looking, taking lil shit I could when I could find it, shit to keep my skills sharp. You don't just give up, you keep going, you keep trying and eventually you'll get there. I knew we were gonna eat 'cause we had food stamps, so that was money I didn't have to worry about getting. I had to keep the roof over our heads and the lights and heat on. I did that, sometime barely, most of the time them payments were late, but I kept it going. I sold off pretty much all of my recording and DJ gear to keep the lights on (I kept my records tho... I'll never sell that shit).

I did it for over a year without fast food.

 

[Idiopathic Joker]

$15 an hour ain't shit. especially if you have kids

 

[konceptjones]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

huh?

according to nbc news the average age of an american fast food worker is 32....
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/whats-their-beef-striking-fast-food-workers-say-low-wages-6C10786787

with that said the service industry i.e. fast food, retail, etc is the biggest growing industry in america while the public sector is shrinking and as we all know manufacturing jobs aren't easy to come by. not to mention college tuition is going up ....

so what do you suppose we do as a country to help get people off of welfare and on their feet? ...

smh...

I find it interesting and telling that they don't cite exactly which paper this is from or even link to it.

 

[BoldChild]

YALL THINK PEOPLE IN 3RD WORLD CONTRIES EVEN MAKE 20 A MONTH?....GOTTA LEARN HOW 2 MAINTAIN

It's this "suffering is a necessity" mentality I don't like.

Why can't humans work on creating more comfortable living situations for the entire population?

^ dumb question, it's because we are human.

 

[gorilla]

You know why people ain't on their feet? Cuz they use to slackin. The grinders are either back on their feet on determined to get there. Like @konceptjones said, fast food ain't the only game in town. So if you need more than that to live, go get it. It's plenty warehouse, stock or skilled trades that pay over what they tryna get. Hell here in Michigan there are programs where the state will pay for you to get a trade. Havin a CDL can get you some good money and ain't hard to get.

Raisin the wage won't matter in the long run cuz eventually it still won't be "enough". It's the attitudes toward hard work and ambition that need to change.

 

[WiseGuyy]

I Don't see how College tuition go up every year, But the Minimum wage doesn't. That's Moving backwards IMO

 

[blacktux]

When you give dumb people money they are just going to do dumb shit with it.

Word to all the people on government programs that have ps4s reserved and are just itching for the next pair of jordans.

 

[gorilla]

See some people don't realize that we could never "give" our way out of the current state of this country. We could give every citizen a house and a car and it still wouldn't be enough.

"This house too small and I wanted that new boy, this 10' ain't shit". People would lose their free houses for not paying the property tax and their cars would turn to trash for lack of routine maintenance.

Shit will change when people find values and a hard work ethic again.

 

[taeboo]

You know why people ain't on their feet? Cuz they use to slackin. The grinders are either back on their feet on determined to get there. Like @konceptjones said, fast food ain't the only game in town. So if you need more than that to live, go get it. It's plenty warehouse, stock or skilled trades that pay over what they tryna get. Hell here in Michigan there are programs where the state will pay for you to get a trade. Havin a CDL can get you some good money and ain't hard to get.

Raisin the wage won't matter in the long run cuz eventually it still won't be "enough". It's the attitudes toward hard work and ambition that need to change.

Even though there may a plenty of warehouse jobs in Michigan, that doesn't mean that's a fact in New York or the other cities where these protest are taking place. Also those warehouse and skilled jobs paid little as well at one time and the only reason pay is what it is now is because employees created unions and demanded better wages.

 

[konceptjones]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

huh?

according to nbc news the average age of an american fast food worker is 32....
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/whats-their-beef-striking-fast-food-workers-say-low-wages-6C10786787

with that said the service industry i.e. fast food, retail, etc is the biggest growing industry in america while the public sector is shrinking and as we all know manufacturing jobs aren't easy to come by. not to mention college tuition is going up ....

so what do you suppose we do as a country to help get people off of welfare and on their feet? ...

smh...

in many cases, we gave them the tools, they simply chose not to use them. The path was laid out for everyone to use and you have the option not to but if that's your choice, prepare for the consequences.

I see cats that I came out of high school with doin shitty, and part of me feels bad for 'em, but the other part is like "we graduated with the same opportunities". I'm doing aiight, so what happened to them? where did they go wrong? Then you find out one started sellin drugs, one had 4 kids before 21, one caught a case and spent 5 years in the pen, one dropped out of college and did absolutely nothing after that and these will be the same people that are picketing McDonalds 'cause they want more money.

At the same time, there's cats out there that I graduated with that's doing better than me. I can't be mad at that shit at all. They went into fields that were more lucrative and it paid off for them.

 

[BoldChild]

If they get that money.. The cost of fast food will increase.. Probably double. Because those corporations will forward the cost to the customer.. And maybe obesity will go down in this country.. Or maybe a good majority will be forced to shut down and when you do go for a burger you have to wait in line for an hour.. #Economics.. Learn it..

It would go up, but it wouldn't come close to doubling.

They have to make a profit, but there is only so much people would spend on fast food.

The prices would probably slightly increase, and they would probably downsize their workforce, and increase the workload/duties of the remaining workers. So yeah, they will be putting in work for whatever pay raise they got.

(Too bad some will be unemployed)

 

[gorilla]

You know why people ain't on their feet? Cuz they use to slackin. The grinders are either back on their feet on determined to get there. Like @konceptjones said, fast food ain't the only game in town. So if you need more than that to live, go get it. It's plenty warehouse, stock or skilled trades that pay over what they tryna get. Hell here in Michigan there are programs where the state will pay for you to get a trade. Havin a CDL can get you some good money and ain't hard to get.

Raisin the wage won't matter in the long run cuz eventually it still won't be "enough". It's the attitudes toward hard work and ambition that need to change.

Even though there may a plenty of warehouse jobs in Michigan, that doesn't mean that's a fact in New York or the other cities where these protest are taking place. Also those warehouse and skilled jobs paid little as well at one time and the only reason pay is what it is now is because employees created unions and demanded better wages.

Sweetheart, I feel what you tryna say, I really do, but even in areas where plant/warehouse/stock work ain't poppin, fast food is STILL not the only game in town. It's about what people are willing to settle for. When you know your current conditions are not your end result, you take it for what it is at that particular time.

Hell, me and my wife both work in IT, make damn good money and we still ain't depending on that shit, which is why we started our own business. You can't stop, you can't get too comfy until you reach a certain level. Not out of greed, but out of reality.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

If they get that money.. The cost of fast food will increase.. Probably double. Because those corporations will forward the cost to the customer.. And maybe obesity will go down in this country.. Or maybe a good majority will be forced to shut down and when you do go for a burger you have to wait in line for an hour.. #Economics.. Learn it..

Why would the money go to the customer? That would be a terrible business plan. If anything, they would cut down the number of workers and take some off the top. The CEOs and VPs would get paid tens of thousands less.

If the fast food business did put it on the customer, they would go out of business in record time. Nobody's paying restaurant money for nasty ass fast food.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Dude's saying they worked "extra" hard to get where they're at, are lost. Everyone's path is different. Some people may work hard to live average, and others might have everything fall in their lap. Stop patting yourself on your back and acting like you know the next man's story.

...Btw it's about working smart, not working hard. If you know how to play the game (networking, get in with the right people etc.), you don't have to work hard.

How hard you work is not directly related to how far you make it in life. Actually, overworking is a lot of y'all weakness. It's about efficiency, not the time you put it.

 

[gorilla]

Dude's saying they worked "extra" hard to get where they're at, are lost. Everyone's path is different. Some people may work hard to live average, and others might have everything fall in their lap. Stop patting yourself on your back and acting like you know the next man's story.

...Btw it's about working smart, not working hard. If you know how to play the game (networking, get in with the right people etc.), you don't have to work hard.

How hard you work is not directly related to how far you make it in life. Actually, overworking is a lot of y'all weakness. It's about efficiency, not the time you put it.

You contradicted the fuck outta yoself

Ima let you figure it out

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Not really. The first statement is addressing the definition of working hard. Basically saying it's completely subjective.

The 2nd statement was just a side-note on how people think solely putting in hours will take you further, when it's about efficiency.