so these burger flippers really think they deserve $15 an hour???

[lighthearted26]

I think they should get a raise because it's hard work. Not complicated but hard in the sense of standing on your feet for hours, its hot, annoying customers, etc. Closest i came to fast food was papa johns and pizza hut and even then i delivered. There was a point where i was doing really bad and actually did one of those open interviews at Mickey D's. Never got a call back but ended up getting a better job. Smh at McDonalds being selective. Fuck them.

It's not hard. I've done it, the shit simply ain't hard and anyone that says otherwise is a lazy ass. The day-to-day shit ain't hard but unloading the truck can be physically demanding. If you're on the frontline, chances of you unloading a truck is slim.

You stand on your feet all day in floor sales too. Should Best Buy workers get $15/hr too? I worked there as well and was on my feet for 8 hrs a day helping people that were seemingly pissed that I had the nerve to say "hello, can I help you find something?".

Maybe hard isn't the word. How about extremely unpleasant? Id rather stand for 8hrs at best buy than mickey d's.

 

[gorilla]

fuck it man, it's Friday

l'ma let them niggas cook b

for $15??

:>

Whoa whoa, let's not get carried away

 

[its....JOHN B]

You won't find the Guatemalans around here protesting anytime soon, their chillin at 7.25 an hour

 

[konceptjones]

You won't find the Guatemalans around here protesting anytime soon, their chillin at 7.25 an hour

yeah, that's the other part to this. I been seeing a rise in Mexicans and other latinos jumping at these fast food jobs. Americans bitch and moan about it, but them cats grab 'em and stay sending money to the crib with 'em. I know how they do it too:

they live in the hood until they can do better.

their clothes come cheap (walmart, ross, etc)

they ain't out there trying to floss

they take public transportation, but if they have a car it's a hooptie they bought with cash.

Basically, they live according to their means. By and large, Americans don't and there's nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise.

 

[can'tyoutell]

"Nobody owes someone a living."

Who determines this? This is something that is determined by a society. What it comes down to is you are either ok with people working full time and living in poverty or you aren't. I'm not ok with that, and I'm not the only one.

 

[can'tyoutell]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

huh?

according to nbc news the average age of an american fast food worker is 32....
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/whats-their-beef-striking-fast-food-workers-say-low-wages-6C10786787

with that said the service industry i.e. fast food, retail, etc is the biggest growing industry in america while the public sector is shrinking and as we all know manufacturing jobs aren't easy to come by. not to mention college tuition is going up ....

so what do you suppose we do as a country to help get people off of welfare and on their feet? ...

smh...

in many cases, we gave them the tools, they simply chose not to use them. The path was laid out for everyone to use and you have the option not to but if that's your choice, prepare for the consequences.

I see cats that I came out of high school with doin shitty, and part of me feels bad for 'em, but the other part is like "we graduated with the same opportunities". I'm doing aiight, so what happened to them? where did they go wrong? Then you find out one started sellin drugs, one had 4 kids before 21, one caught a case and spent 5 years in the pen, one dropped out of college and did absolutely nothing after that and these will be the same people that are picketing McDonalds 'cause they want more money.

At the same time, there's cats out there that I graduated with that's doing better than me. I can't be mad at that shit at all. They went into fields that were more lucrative and it paid off for them.

smh ...the stats paint a different picture. social mobility is at a decline, and now the biggest indicators of a person's lot in life have become their parents income and what school they attended

if all you can offer is anecdotal evidence ....let's just agree to disagree

As I said before, stats can be skewed to fit a desired result. Everyone knows this.

Everyone knows this, but you have to point out the way in which they are skewed, otherwise it's a cop out.

 

[can'tyoutell]

You won't find the Guatemalans around here protesting anytime soon, their chillin at 7.25 an hour

We can't look toward answers for our standard of living from immigrants. Do we really want to be like the Guatemalans? Why is it that everyone is ok with moving backwards? Some people are ok with living in shelters, because it's better than being on the street. Doesn't it mean it doesn't suck just because someone else is gracious for it.

 

[can'tyoutell]

Anyone who is determined enough should work their way up the ladder and be a manager in a couple years for a Mickey D's, then from there, work their way up the corporate ladder.

That's all good and well, but how do they survive in the mean time? Oh, government assistance, gotcha.

 

[konceptjones]

"Nobody owes someone a living."

Who determines this? This is something that is determined by a society. What it comes down to is you are either ok with people working full time and living in poverty or you aren't. I'm not ok with that, and I'm not the only one.

y'all really like trying to make it seem like these people are working full time. They're not. That's the other part of the whole walk-out is that they're demanding more hours 'cause they're NOT working full time.

 

[can'tyoutell]

You won't find the Guatemalans around here protesting anytime soon, their chillin at 7.25 an hour

yeah, that's the other part to this. I been seeing a rise in Mexicans and other latinos jumping at these fast food jobs. Americans bitch and moan about it, but them cats grab 'em and stay sending money to the crib with 'em. I know how they do it too:

they live in the hood until they can do better.

their clothes come cheap (walmart, ross, etc)

they ain't out there trying to floss

they take public transportation, but if they have a car it's a hooptie they bought with cash.

Basically, they live according to their means. By and large, Americans don't and there's nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise.

Making 7.50 an hour is better than starving in their home country. By the way, about all those happy immigrants. they are all using government assistance. And you complain about that as well. This has been pointed out so many times. Society doesn't work at high efficiency when employers can't even pay a living wage. You have two options. You can keep demonizing hard workers who want to see the fruit of their labors, or you can tell the greedy corporations to fork over more money.

 

[can'tyoutell]

"Nobody owes someone a living."

Who determines this? This is something that is determined by a society. What it comes down to is you are either ok with people working full time and living in poverty or you aren't. I'm not ok with that, and I'm not the only one.

y'all really like trying to make it seem like these people are working full time. They're not. That's the other part of the whole walk-out is that they're demanding more hours 'cause they're NOT working full time.

The point is, they want to make a living and feel they aren't being paid enough. I agree, they aren't.

 

[Crude_]

Do I think fast food workers should get paid more?

The answer is yes I do.

Do I think fast food workers deserve to earn as much as an individual whose gone to school for years and been trained in a specific skill.

Probably not.

I do think they should get paid more though, but you'd have to be nearly an idiot thinking working fast food will support you, a family, and the basic necessities of a home.

According to the logic of some a fast food worker should make as much guap as a physician, attorney, teacher,etc.

Most of those folks have had years of training.

There is a small percentage of people with the skills and training to do what they do as opposed to a fast food worker who can be trained to perform that skill in a relatively short period of time.

Just like anything else in life you get out of it what you put into it.

If you have a high school diploma, a GED, or less then your earning potential will be limited especially in comparison to someone with a degree or degrees.

If you don't like that either go to school or pursue another job like another poster already stated fast food jobs aren't the only hustle out there.

 

[LUClEN]

Pay is relative to scarcity, you get paid for your value not what you feel you deserve. Mcds employees get paid that wage because they do a job any one with two hands could do and there are 1000s of people willing to at any giving time. The exact reason athletes get paid so much because there's only 10 ppl who could do the same job they can.

Now the only possible way this could occur us if they unionized, but that would take away jobs from those willing because unions must control the amount if labor supplied to the employer, hence there's Chrysler niggas with the skill set of a mcd employee but make 28-30 dollars an hour. But try to get hired and you either have to know someone or get lucky.

Value isn't determined by scarcity of resources. Value is determined by a feedback loop where the workers negotiate enough to cover their needs while the company can still turn a profit. The workers are playing their card and determining their "value" based on what they feel they deserve. Athletes get paid a lot because they demand a lot. And now the minimum wage workers are demanding more.

Lol at feedback loops and negotiations existing.

Most wages are take it or leave it.

 

[can'tyoutell]

Pay is relative to scarcity, you get paid for your value not what you feel you deserve. Mcds employees get paid that wage because they do a job any one with two hands could do and there are 1000s of people willing to at any giving time. The exact reason athletes get paid so much because there's only 10 ppl who could do the same job they can.

Now the only possible way this could occur us if they unionized, but that would take away jobs from those willing because unions must control the amount if labor supplied to the employer, hence there's Chrysler niggas with the skill set of a mcd employee but make 28-30 dollars an hour. But try to get hired and you either have to know someone or get lucky.

Value isn't determined by scarcity of resources. Value is determined by a feedback loop where the workers negotiate enough to cover their needs while the company can still turn a profit. The workers are playing their card and determining their "value" based on what they feel they deserve. Athletes get paid a lot because they demand a lot. And now the minimum wage workers are demanding more.

Lol at feedback loops and negotiations existing.

Most wages are take it or leave it.

Yeah, and people are leaving it, hence the strikes. This is the negotiation. That is the only way to negotiate with corporations.

 

[blakfyahking]

"Nobody owes someone a living."

Who determines this? This is something that is determined by a society. What it comes down to is you are either ok with people working full time and living in poverty or you aren't. I'm not ok with that, and I'm not the only one.

how bout you just quote me next time? haha

nobody owes you a living.....that is a fact

people want the freedom to choose, but what someone to do the real thinking for them

instead of being thankful a mofo gave you an opportunity to get a check, you walking around thinking the boss owes you more

if you work at a restaurant and you bring in more money for the boss because you're a great worker who gives customers what you want, any boss worth a damn should be willing to pay you what you are worth to keep you..........otherwise if you are smart you will go to a new boss that will pay your worth if your current one doesn't

but the problem is just like I stated for these emotional cats in the MW thread..........

it's a bad policy to tell a business how much they should pay their employees........especially if customers still don't give a damn about the workers that provide the product/service

 

[playmaker88]

I been lookin for this for a few days and one of the post above reminded me of the amount of opportunities available to move up in the Fast Food Corporate "Food chain" opposed to other industries

 

[LUClEN]

Pay is relative to scarcity, you get paid for your value not what you feel you deserve. Mcds employees get paid that wage because they do a job any one with two hands could do and there are 1000s of people willing to at any giving time. The exact reason athletes get paid so much because there's only 10 ppl who could do the same job they can.

Now the only possible way this could occur us if they unionized, but that would take away jobs from those willing because unions must control the amount if labor supplied to the employer, hence there's Chrysler niggas with the skill set of a mcd employee but make 28-30 dollars an hour. But try to get hired and you either have to know someone or get lucky.

Value isn't determined by scarcity of resources. Value is determined by a feedback loop where the workers negotiate enough to cover their needs while the company can still turn a profit. The workers are playing their card and determining their "value" based on what they feel they deserve. Athletes get paid a lot because they demand a lot. And now the minimum wage workers are demanding more.

Lol at feedback loops and negotiations existing.

Most wages are take it or leave it.

Yeah, and people are leaving it, hence the strikes. This is the negotiation. That is the only way to negotiate with corporations.

Most people don't have unions thoug. Striking iisn't really an option when there is such a large number of workers ready to take the place of the strikers in a heartbeat

 

[desertrain10]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above lthe poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

huh?

according to nbc news the average age of an american fast food worker is 32....
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/whats-their-beef-striking-fast-food-workers-say-low-wages-6C10786787

with that said the service industry i.e. fast food, retail, etc is the biggest growing industry in america while the public sector is shrinking and as we all know manufacturing jobs aren't easy to come by. not to mention college tuition is going up ....

so what do you suppose we do as a country to help get people off of welfare and on their feet? ...

smh...

in many cases, we gave them the tools, they simply chose not to use them. The path was laid out for everyone to use and you have the option not to but if that's your choice, prepare for the consequences.

I see cats that I came out of high school with doin shitty, and part of me feels bad for 'em, but the other part is like "we graduated with the same opportunities". I'm doing aiight, so what happened to them? where did they go wrong? Then you find out one started sellin drugs, one had 4 kids before 21, one caught a case and spent 5 years in the pen, one dropped out of college and did absolutely nothing after that and these will be the same people that are picketing McDonalds 'cause they want more money.

At the same time, there's cats out there that I graduated with that's doing better than me. I can't be mad at that shit at all. They went into fields that were more lucrative and it paid off for them.

smh ...the stats paint a different picture. social mobility is at a decline, and now the biggest indicators of a person's lot in life have become their parents income and what school they attended

if all you can offer is anecdotal evidence ....let's just agree to disagree

As I said before, stats can be skewed to fit a desired result. Everyone knows this.

Lol stats dont tell the whole story....they are pieces to a puzzle

And this puzzle is a snapshot of a country where jobs that pay a decent wage and dont require a degree are declining, college tuition is going up and more and more people will have to settle for jobs in retail, fastfood, etc

Smh, at this rate the poor will suffer and the rich will continue to get richer

But if you are cool with the government providing peoples basic needs while corporations making record profits refuse to pay their employees a livable wage while paying little to nothing in taxes, cool we have nothing left to talk about

 

[blakfyahking]

for every one that thinks corporations should be forced by legislation to pay higher wages.........

why haven't you chosen to start your own business?

 

[desertrain10]

Do I think fast food workers should get paid more?

The answer is yes I do.

Do I think fast food workers deserve to earn as much as an individual whose gone to school for years and been trained in a specific skill.

Probably not.

I do think they should get paid more though, but you'd have to be nearly an idiot thinking working fast food will support you, a family, and the basic necessities of a home.

According to the logic of some a fast food worker should make as much guap as a physician, attorney, teacher,etc.

Most of those folks have had years of training.

There is a small percentage of people with the skills and training to do what they do as opposed to a fast food worker who can be trained to perform that skill in a relatively short period of time.

Just like anything else in life you get out of it what you put into it.

If you have a high school diploma, a GED, or less then your earning potential will be limited especially in comparison to someone with a degree or degrees.

If you don't like that either go to school or pursue another job like another poster already stated fast food jobs aren't the only hustle out there.

If the minium wage goes up, all of our wages are going to go up in the process

With that said no one is saying fastfood workers should be paid as much as a nurse or engineer just as a wage they could live on