so these burger flippers really think they deserve $15 an hour???

[taeboo]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/01/the-mcpoverty-calculator.html

Thought this was interesting....for those who think the cost of your big macs will double.

 

[gorilla]

Not really. The first statement is addressing the definition of working hard. Basically saying it's completely subjective.

The 2nd statement was just a side-note on how people think solely putting in hours will take you further, when it's about efficiency.

Let me help you out

Even if you're playing the game you're still working hard. It still takes work. It might be fun, it might feel like it comes easy, but it's still a lotta work and effort. It's often that seemingly easy route that leads to the hard fall off.

Now are there some who were born with silver spoons and don't have to do absolutely shit? Sure, but that's the exception not the rule.

 

[desertrain10]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

huh?

according to nbc news the average age of an american fast food worker is 32....
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/whats-their-beef-striking-fast-food-workers-say-low-wages-6C10786787

with that said the service industry i.e. fast food, retail, etc is the biggest growing industry in america while the public sector is shrinking and as we all know manufacturing jobs aren't easy to come by. not to mention college tuition is going up ....

so what do you suppose we do as a country to help get people off of welfare and on their feet? ...

smh...

I find it interesting and telling that they don't cite exactly which paper this is from or even link to it.

because i'm bored...here goes

i already provided you with a link to the nbc new article which clearly states the average age of a fast food woker in america is 32...

but here
http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_201.htm
http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2013/06/26/georgetown-recovery-study/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/03/us-service-firms-growth-hits-11-month-high-in-jan/

according to these sources the service industry (i.e. retail, fast food services....as well as jobs in hospitality, elderly care, etc ) is expected to grow at a faster rate than the manufacturing sector

also you should check out these links

Behide Wal-Mart, the second-largest employer in America is *Kelly Services, a temporary work provider.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/recov...est-employer-is-a-temp-agency/article/2532778

McDonald's and Walmart, the two biggest private-sector employers in the U.S
http://blogs.hbr.org/fox/2013/07/the-case-for-paying-people-mor.html

according to the links provided below the public sector is shrinking....
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-public-sector-continues-to-shrink-under-obama-2012-7?op=1
http://www.examiner.com/article/reports-show-shrinking-public-sector-drags-down-economic-recovery

and according to the following links college tuition at public colleges and universities spiked to record levels last year
http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/06/pf/college/public-college-tuition/index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-philip-l-yeagle/public-universities-tuition_b_2234314.html
http://www.wtok.com/home/headlines/Community-College-Tuition-Going-Up--211712551.html

a video link talking about the rising costs of tuition rates
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-daily-rundown/52179788#52179788

lastly while, while manufacturing sector has seen some growth in certain regions of the country the last 4,5 years ...it will never be the mass employer it once was
http://www.creditwritedowns.com/201...-us-manufacturing-unemployment-1960-2012.html
http://blogs.blouinnews.com/blouinb...e-and-rise-of-u-s-manufacturing-in-one-chart/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ill-change-how-you-think-about-manufacturing/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...chs-sorry-u-s-manufacturing-isnt-coming-back/

according to this link U.S. Manufacturing loses 6,000 jobs in June 2013
http://americanmanufacturing.org/bl...alliance-american-manufacturing-aam-statement

happy?....i know a bunch of news articles, with some further research you prob could find out where they got the number, stats from

 

[playmaker88]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/01/the-mcpoverty-calculator.html

Thought this was interesting....for those who think the cost of your big macs will double.

was just bout to post this

Would you like a living wage with that?

Workers at McDonald’s and other fast-food restaurants have been protesting in several cities and demanding $15 an hour, The New York Times says. We’ve also learned in news reports that some McDonald’s employees are paid with fee-heavy prepaid cards, and that a budgeting guide the chain put out for its employees had multiple jaw-dropping conclusions, including that employees would need two full-time jobs to make ends meet.

Some people are asking how much it would raise the cost of McDonald’s food if employees got a wage increase. In a March hearing on the federal minimum wage, U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., suggested that raising it to $10.10 an hour would increase the cost of a McDonald’s combo by just four cents. The national median pay of fast-food workers right now is $9.05 an hour, the Times says.

Arnobio Morelix, an undergraduate student at the University of Kansas business school, tried to do the math for $15 an hour. His findings were covered by Forbes and The Huffington Post, among others. Morelix’s math suggested a $15-an-hour minimum wage at McDonald’s would raise the cost of a Big Mac by 68 cents, a Big Mac combo nearly a dollar, and Dollar Menu items to $1.17.

However, he apparently based his analysis on McDonald’s corporate earnings and didn’t account for the fact that more than 80 percent of McDonald’s restaurants are franchises and not corporate-owned, HuffPo said. If McDonald’s franchises spend close to what a typical fast-food restaurant does on labor (about a third of income), that increase would look more like $1.28 for a Big Mac it said.

Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, told The Huffington Post such an increase would require some layoffs, but would not put McDonald’s out of business and would reduce turnover.

 

[desertrain10]

You know why people ain't on their feet? Cuz they use to slackin. The grinders are either back on their feet on determined to get there. Like @konceptjones said, fast food ain't the only game in town. So if you need more than that to live, go get it. It's plenty warehouse, stock or skilled trades that pay over what they tryna get. Hell here in Michigan there are programs where the state will pay for you to get a trade. Havin a CDL can get you some good money and ain't hard to get.

Raisin the wage won't matter in the long run cuz eventually it still won't be "enough". It's the attitudes toward hard work and ambition that need to change.

scratches head

where u been bruh?

manufacturing jobs, agricultural jobs have been on the decline for decades ....and now the public sector is on the decline

mcdonalds and walmart are america's largest employers for a reason

not saying people shouldn't work to further their education, learn a trade, etc...but college tuition is going up, state budgets are being cut and therefore funding programs such as MIGHIGAN WORKS are being slashed, etc

smh....

nowsdays its truly a struggle to find a decent paying job ...hell just finding a full time job period

why do you think the unemployement rate is struggling or why so many people are a pay check away from poverty, and its not because the majority of americans are slacking

 

[playmaker88]

you got more patience than me...

 

[gorilla]

You know why people ain't on their feet? Cuz they use to slackin. The grinders are either back on their feet on determined to get there. Like @konceptjones said, fast food ain't the only game in town. So if you need more than that to live, go get it. It's plenty warehouse, stock or skilled trades that pay over what they tryna get. Hell here in Michigan there are programs where the state will pay for you to get a trade. Havin a CDL can get you some good money and ain't hard to get.

Raisin the wage won't matter in the long run cuz eventually it still won't be "enough". It's the attitudes toward hard work and ambition that need to change.

smh...scratches head

where u been bruh?

manufacturing jobs, agricultural jobs have been on the decline for decades ....and now the public sector is on the decline

mcdonalds and walmart are america's largest employers for a reason

not saying people shouldn't work to further their education, learn a trade, etc...but college tuition is going up, state budgets are being cut and therefore funding programs such as MIGHIGAN WORKS are being slashed, etc

nowsdays its truly a struggle to find a decent paying job ...hell just a job period

why do you think the unemployement rate is struggling or why so many people are a pay check away from poverty, and its not because the majority of americans are slacking

Brotha this ain't the first time a country has struggled. Actually, if you wanna get real, the struggle we currently facin ain't jack shit. Times hard but Apple still sold 9 million iPhones last year, Microsoft sold millions of Xbox 360's, niggas lined up and camped out for days for $100+ sneakers, etc.

So you talkin our hard times essentially being not being able to afford that iPhone 5 or whatever hot shit that's out at the time. That don't compare to times where people truly struggled to put food on the table despite cuttin luxuries.

The irony of americans wanting more pay to buy goods manufactured by people making their hourly pay in a day.

 

[Paul Hate.]

Lol not gonna happen finish school get a better job.

 

[desertrain10]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

huh?

according to nbc news the average age of an american fast food worker is 32....
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/whats-their-beef-striking-fast-food-workers-say-low-wages-6C10786787

with that said the service industry i.e. fast food, retail, etc is the biggest growing industry in america while the public sector is shrinking and as we all know manufacturing jobs aren't easy to come by. not to mention college tuition is going up ....

so what do you suppose we do as a country to help get people off of welfare and on their feet? ...

smh...

in many cases, we gave them the tools, they simply chose not to use them. The path was laid out for everyone to use and you have the option not to but if that's your choice, prepare for the consequences.

I see cats that I came out of high school with doin shitty, and part of me feels bad for 'em, but the other part is like "we graduated with the same opportunities". I'm doing aiight, so what happened to them? where did they go wrong? Then you find out one started sellin drugs, one had 4 kids before 21, one caught a case and spent 5 years in the pen, one dropped out of college and did absolutely nothing after that and these will be the same people that are picketing McDonalds 'cause they want more money.

At the same time, there's cats out there that I graduated with that's doing better than me. I can't be mad at that shit at all. They went into fields that were more lucrative and it paid off for them.

smh ...the stats paint a different picture. social mobility is at a decline, and now the biggest indicators of a person's lot in life have become their parents income and what school they attended

if all you can offer is anecdotal evidence ....let's just agree to disagree

 

[kzzl]

A lot of times pay rates are adjusted on corporate greed and not the job qualifications. If the employer can pay you the minimal and get away with it, they will. I'd bet that just like Wal Mart, the company is trying to curve every dollar to line it's own pockets. Short cutting on benefits and job conditions. Edging on the lines of labor laws just enough to blur what's legal or illegal in their favor when needed.

The pay scale should be readjusted to the cost of living of that area. The rest of the nation is getting more expensive by the year and working class have to be able to keep up if the economy is to survive.

Truth be told, I would think Mcdonalds is the gravy chain of the industry by now. Best pay, best benefits, best work conditions. To have such tremendous success and treat your employee's wrong is shameful, but typical of corporate giants.

 

[King_sorrow]

Pay is relative to scarcity, you get paid for your value not what you feel you deserve. Mcds employees get paid that wage because they do a job any one with two hands could do and there are 1000s of people willing to at any giving time. The exact reason athletes get paid so much because there's only 10 ppl who could do the same job they can.

Now the only possible way this could occur us if they unionized, but that would take away jobs from those willing because unions must control the amount if labor supplied to the employer, hence there's Chrysler niggas with the skill set of a mcd employee but make 28-30 dollars an hour. But try to get hired and you either have to know someone or get lucky.

 

[desertrain10]

@gorilla

So the rest of the needy are suppose to suffer because a couple of foolish people decided to go into debt for the iphone 5

Smh...anyways

The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire led to legislation requiring improved factory safety standardsand helped spur the growth of the International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union, which fought for better working conditions for sweatshop workers.

In the midst of the great depression, the gov responded to the crisis with the New Deal and other policies which gave us the minium wage, and provided relief for workers, poor, homeless and strengthened workers right to unionize

Things are bad, unemployment is still high...time for the government to step in...

Time to make these corporations pay their workers as well as their share in taxes, time to revamp our educational system, tax companies for shipping jobs over seas...

For our economy to grow and flourish there needs to be consumer demand....less disposable income means less and less demand. Which means job cuts and a weak economy...doing nothing only spells disaster

 

[T. Sanford]

Ba-Da-Bababa I'm loving it

 

[Paul Hate.]

Honestly most fast food worker be falling out weeks into the position who gonna pay them more than minimum wage less they tenured workers and management?

Only a fucking fucking dufus.

They asking for what some office workers make but that's to end up with 1 or two dollars more an hour..

 

[LUClEN]

I Don't see how College tuition go up every year, But the Minimum wage doesn't. That's Moving backwards IMO

It's intended to keep people down. By raising prices the number of people who can afford school decreases, essentially making education more and more unattainable by the poor,.

 

[MR.CJ]

Can't knock the hustle

 

[buttuh_b]

That defeats the purpose of minimum wage. Fast food is the lowest level job.

 

[can'tyoutell]

Pay is relative to scarcity, you get paid for your value not what you feel you deserve. Mcds employees get paid that wage because they do a job any one with two hands could do and there are 1000s of people willing to at any giving time. The exact reason athletes get paid so much because there's only 10 ppl who could do the same job they can.

Now the only possible way this could occur us if they unionized, but that would take away jobs from those willing because unions must control the amount if labor supplied to the employer, hence there's Chrysler niggas with the skill set of a mcd employee but make 28-30 dollars an hour. But try to get hired and you either have to know someone or get lucky.

Value isn't determined by scarcity of resources. Value is determined by a feedback loop where the workers negotiate enough to cover their needs while the company can still turn a profit. The workers are playing their card and determining their "value" based on what they feel they deserve. Athletes get paid a lot because they demand a lot. And now the minimum wage workers are demanding more.

 

[700]

Im tryin to get a job wit buffalo rock right now

And thats only 11 a hour

Mcdonalds bout to have niggas linin up

Cause ill be dammed if I work fast food past 17

 

[blakfyahking]

I swear I hate these threads but I love 'em haha

who doesn't want all people to have a decent quality of life if you ain't a selfish dick?

but the truth is that nobody owe's anyone else a job.............we need to stop grooming mofos to be dependent

and think it's corporation's responsibility to provide for you............corporations exist only to make money

anyone with a basic understanding of economics knows this

I think it's dangerous to force a company to pay a certain wage thru law...........I say let market forces determine what is a fair wage

if every business decided to pick up and move somewhere else cause it doesn't want to pay higher wages.........what happens to those employees then?

I think unions should be allowed to negotiate higher salaries, but only if there is NO minimum wage

otherwise, you are just making poor folks even more vulnerable IMO