so these burger flippers really think they deserve $15 an hour???

[brown321]

BTW, if McDs did up it's wage to $15.....all the minorities would be pushed out in favor of working class Whites. So they're shooting themselves in the foot.

I said this in the social lounge thread about walmart. & they wont hear it.

They are not going to hire Monique & them when they can get a more middle-class worker for that wage.

Most of these workers might as well march right to unemployment when they get it passed.

 

[gorilla]

@gorilla

So the rest of the needy are suppose to suffer because a couple of foolish people decided to go into debt for the iphone 5

Smh...anyways

The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire led to legislation requiring improved factory safety standardsand helped spur the growth of the International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union, which fought for better working conditions for sweatshop workers.

In the midst of the great depression, the gov responded to the crisis with the New Deal and other policies which gave us the minium wage, and provided relief for workers, poor, homeless and strengthened workers right to unionize

Things are bad, unemployment is still high...time for the government to step in...

Time to make these corporations pay their workers as well as their share in taxes, time to revamp our educational system, tax companies for shipping jobs over seas...

For our economy to grow and flourish there needs to be consumer demand....less disposable income means less and less demand. Which means job cuts and a weak economy...doing nothing only spells disaster

We ain't talkin a couple people here. People stay trying to live above their means, it's the american way. The more you pay somebody, the more they gonna blow on shit they really don't need.

This ain't how they keep people down. How people are kept down, is this ever evolving dependance on government and corporate america. That the REAL scheme there. Give people just enough, they get complacent and become lazy. $15 ain't shit still, but it'll be just enough for a whole lotta people to be cool with gettin by on it.

Anybody who see fast food work for what it is and has bigger plans ain't got time to demand more pay for some shit they only doin in the temp. I wonder how many of them are trying to get up outta that fast food joint? In this country, you get paid for what you know, what you can do, and what you can negotiate. Again, if they provided better service I'd be cool with it.

 

[Rock_Well]

I dont blame them for wanting more, but id advise getter a job they rather be at. Life too short to be working a job that you hate, adding more money won't make a difference in satisfaction.

 

[jono]

One of the things that have no been mentioned is the obvious; upward mobility. Maybe some of these people don't mind working at fast food joints because they see an opportunity to move forward. Fry cooks can become assistant managers, managers etc in a few years but that doesn't men they have to be in poverty until then.

Some people toil away at "high paying" jobs and never have any opportunity for upward mobility or they have to put in over a decade of work doing "menial" jobs. I mean even if you have a law degree you still have to start at the bottom, does that bottom have to mean poverty-level wages? No, it may mean being somebody's drone in a back room doing research and writing briefs for years before actually becoming somebody worth a damn at the firm but you more than likely wont be poor doing it but its still "low-level" work.

 

[konceptjones]

One of the things that have no been mentioned is the obvious; upward mobility. Maybe some of these people don't mind working at fast food joints because they see an opportunity to move forward. Fry cooks can become assistant managers, managers etc in a few years but that doesn't men they have to be in poverty until then.

Some people toil away at "high paying" jobs and never have any opportunity for upward mobility or they have to put in over a decade of work doing "menial" jobs. I mean even if you have a law degree you still have to start at the bottom, does that bottom have to mean poverty-level wages? No, it may mean being somebody's drone in a back room doing research and writing briefs for years before actually becoming somebody worth a damn at the firm but you more than likely wont be poor doing it but its still "low-level" work.

skilled labor/labor intensive jobs and intelligence intensive jobs are always going to start out paying better because not everyone can do those jobs. ANYONE can flip a burger. I used to work with a cat that had Downs Syndrome when I worked in fast food. Lil dude flipped that shit like the rest of us; shit ain't hard to do.

The key here is how easy is it for you to be replaced. Finding skilled labor or people with degrees in a specialty field or experience in those fields are not nearly as easy to come by as a burger flipper, so they command a premium even for entry level positions.

 

[konceptjones]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

huh?

according to nbc news the average age of an american fast food worker is 32....
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/whats-their-beef-striking-fast-food-workers-say-low-wages-6C10786787

with that said the service industry i.e. fast food, retail, etc is the biggest growing industry in america while the public sector is shrinking and as we all know manufacturing jobs aren't easy to come by. not to mention college tuition is going up ....

so what do you suppose we do as a country to help get people off of welfare and on their feet? ...

smh...

in many cases, we gave them the tools, they simply chose not to use them. The path was laid out for everyone to use and you have the option not to but if that's your choice, prepare for the consequences.

I see cats that I came out of high school with doin shitty, and part of me feels bad for 'em, but the other part is like "we graduated with the same opportunities". I'm doing aiight, so what happened to them? where did they go wrong? Then you find out one started sellin drugs, one had 4 kids before 21, one caught a case and spent 5 years in the pen, one dropped out of college and did absolutely nothing after that and these will be the same people that are picketing McDonalds 'cause they want more money.

At the same time, there's cats out there that I graduated with that's doing better than me. I can't be mad at that shit at all. They went into fields that were more lucrative and it paid off for them.

smh ...the stats paint a different picture. social mobility is at a decline, and now the biggest indicators of a person's lot in life have become their parents income and what school they attended

if all you can offer is anecdotal evidence ....let's just agree to disagree

As I said before, stats can be skewed to fit a desired result. Everyone knows this.

 

[gorilla]

fuck it man, it's Friday

l'ma let them niggas cook b

 

[Meta_Conscious]

"flipping burgers" is an attempt to demean their actual jobs...

a fast food employee is usually trained on every station... ijs

 

[jono]

One of the things that have no been mentioned is the obvious; upward mobility. Maybe some of these people don't mind working at fast food joints because they see an opportunity to move forward. Fry cooks can become assistant managers, managers etc in a few years but that doesn't men they have to be in poverty until then.

Some people toil away at "high paying" jobs and never have any opportunity for upward mobility or they have to put in over a decade of work doing "menial" jobs. I mean even if you have a law degree you still have to start at the bottom, does that bottom have to mean poverty-level wages? No, it may mean being somebody's drone in a back room doing research and writing briefs for years before actually becoming somebody worth a damn at the firm but you more than likely wont be poor doing it but its still "low-level" work.

skilled labor/labor intensive jobs and intelligence intensive jobs are always going to start out paying better because not everyone can do those jobs. ANYONE can flip a burger. I used to work with a cat that had Downs Syndrome when I worked in fast food. Lil dude flipped that shit like the rest of us; shit ain't hard to do.

The key here is how easy is it for you to be replaced. Finding skilled labor or people with degrees in a specialty field or experience in those fields are not nearly as easy to come by as a burger flipper, so they command a premium even for entry level positions.

Anyone is easily replaced, people like to think they are special but they really aren't. If the president gets shot today there's a new one tomorrow.

That's the leverage advantage of corporations. They existed before you and will lose nothing without you. Hell even Steve jobs got replaced at a gig he started. Don't for a second believe yourself to have any security because of "skills", you aren't he only one with them.

 

[jono]

"flipping burgers" is an attempt to demean their actual jobs...

a fast food employee is usually trained on every station... ijs

Think about this bruh. McDs pays these "burger flippers" 7$ an hour right? Say one of them fucks up and somebody gets E.Coli, how much is that 7$ worth now? Over a million in damages and even more in future earnings I'd bet. That's the real cost, the risk. It's a high risk job because people can die if they cross contaminate food or improperly cook it. That shit is lost on people out here.

McDs can't afford unskilled, careless workers because that becomes a liability. Nobody talking about that either though.

 

[jay83]

Damn I remember when min wage was 5.15

Lol

 

[konceptjones]

You do realize that anything less than $15 is not sufficient to live above the poverty line?

Most people working those jobs aren't kids--they're working class women with children.

I agree with the strike.

No, most people working fast food ARE KIDS. There's been a growing number of adults in fast food since the start of the recession, but it's still a kids job.

Nah, bruh, I learned this in a class--they're working class women.

Companies want people to believe most of them are kids so that people will be opposed to raising it.

have you ever worked a fast food job? I have, several of them in fact. It was rare to have someone over the age of 21 if they weren't management of some sort.

Experience ain't stats, dear.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

So you can't admit that you're wrong statistically about workers being kids?

K.

Nothing to admit to. Since I know how statistics work, I know how they can be tainted to fit a particular argument.

and, I've already said that this is only the case because we're in a recession, so more older folks are resorting to fast food and expecting the hours and money they used to have. Let those people go back to their "normal" positions and watch the age drop (as it always does).

K.....

figures, you never have anything of value to contribute to any discussion on this board.

You take being proven wrong extremely poorly.

Your answer to facts that have been researched that "they can be twisted" when they don't fit in with your experiences?

People have no "normal" positions to go back to, being that the economy is falling deeper into a cesspool of shit. Looks like working women are going to be in these positions for awhile.

So what's your argument for not raising the minimum wage again?

Your views are always good for a laugh.

You can't read can you.

you aren't supposed to be able to afford a liveable lifestyle if your chosen career path is a fast food cook. get a real job

every job needs someone to do it. if everyone "got a real job" then who would do the multitudes of jobs that need to get done everyday? is this just like americans being angry at immigrants for taking jobs they don't wanna do?

if someone has a fulltime job, they should make enough to be able to meet their basic needs, and if they don't you are gonna pay for it one way or another

unless you're just cool with people starving in the streets

and jobs like these are usually done by teenagers that only work 20 hrs or so a week, more during the summer.

Ever notice how most jobs like this are staffed with teenagers??? That's because these are jobs for them, not the person with three kids and a mortgage.

I really don't think you get it, either that or you have a bleeding heart that's clouding your judgement.

lol @ thinking people should be able to meet their basic needs with their fulltime jobs being all that's needed to be considered a bleeding heart in america. are y'all just so disconnected that you don't even see how cruel you are?

i seriously doubt i am the one with the cloudy judgement here. welfare to corporations is a-okay, but god forbid we pay fast food workers $15, it'll be the end of the world 'murica, why do y'all keep insisting on going about things wrong when an easier and better way is clearly available?

McDonalds is NOT a full time job.

 

[lighthearted26]

I think they should get a raise because it's hard work. Not complicated but hard in the sense of standing on your feet for hours, its hot, annoying customers, etc. Closest i came to fast food was papa johns and pizza hut and even then i delivered. There was a point where i was doing really bad and actually did one of those open interviews at Mickey D's. Never got a call back but ended up getting a better job. Smh at McDonalds being selective. Fuck them.

 

[playmaker88]

fuck it man, it's Friday

l'ma let them niggas cook b

for $15??

:>

 

[playmaker88]

"flipping burgers" is an attempt to demean their actual jobs...

a fast food employee is usually trained on every station... ijs

Yah good point i had this thought as well..

 

[konceptjones]

I think they should get a raise because it's hard work. Not complicated but hard in the sense of standing on your feet for hours, its hot, annoying customers, etc. Closest i came to fast food was papa johns and pizza hut and even then i delivered. There was a point where i was doing really bad and actually did one of those open interviews at Mickey D's. Never got a call back but ended up getting a better job. Smh at McDonalds being selective. Fuck them.

It's not hard. I've done it, the shit simply ain't hard and anyone that says otherwise is a lazy ass. The day-to-day shit ain't hard but unloading the truck can be physically demanding. If you're on the frontline, chances of you unloading a truck is slim.

You stand on your feet all day in floor sales too. Should Best Buy workers get $15/hr too? I worked there as well and was on my feet for 8 hrs a day helping people that were seemingly pissed that I had the nerve to say "hello, can I help you find something?".

 

[Tymoney19]

A couple years ago when I was still in high school working at Wendy's everybody who worked there except for a few we're all teenagers. Now I walk into Wendy's and its adults. I think that's the prob as a kid making 7.50 it's alright to u. Most likely u live at home and use your paycheck to pay your phone bill and buy weed now the adults want to feed a family of five on a Wendy's paycheck. I think the minimum wage should increase but not make more than me. I work as a TA for a specialized school that deals with autistic kids. For the shit I deal with and the schooling I've had no way a burger flipper is gonna make more than me.

 

[konceptjones]

fuck it man, it's Friday

l'ma let them niggas cook b

 

[VIBE]

Anyone who is determined enough should work their way up the ladder and be a manager in a couple years for a Mickey D's, then from there, work their way up the corporate ladder.

 

[konceptjones]

A couple years ago when I was still in high school working at Wendy's everybody who worked there except for a few we're all teenagers. Now I walk into Wendy's and its adults. I think that's the prob as a kid making 7.50 it's alright to u. Most likely u live at home and use your paycheck to pay your phone bill and buy weed now the adults want to feed a family of five on a Wendy's paycheck. I think the minimum wage should increase but not make more than me. I work as a TA for a specialized school that deals with autistic kids. For the shit I deal with and the schooling I've had no way a burger flipper is gonna make more than me.

but, according to some in this thread, your experience, mine, and Jeff Axel's are meaningless. They like to cry "b-b-b-but the statistics say...". Stats don't always line up with reality and any intelligent person knows this. In 2005, if you would have walked into a McD's, chances are you would have seen teenagers behind the counter with management being a bit older. Now you see grown ass men and women 'cause they got laid off or their company went under. This is the sole reason why this argument is coming out. Fast food is fine for a teenager living at home or student in the dorms. It pays enough for your basics and that's enough. No one in their right mind works there to feed a family and it's this basic understanding that the folks in this thread refuse to acknowledge.

Growing up, the only time you EVER saw grown as men and women working fast food was during times of recession. This means the late 80's and early 90's and even then it was limited. It's worse today than it was back then 'cause now you got the whole place staffed with adults.