so these burger flippers really think they deserve $15 an hour???

[desertrain10]

Without the minium wage poverty rate would sky rocket smh

 

[konceptjones]

"Nobody owes someone a living."

Who determines this? This is something that is determined by a society. What it comes down to is you are either ok with people working full time and living in poverty or you aren't. I'm not ok with that, and I'm not the only one.

y'all really like trying to make it seem like these people are working full time. They're not. That's the other part of the whole walk-out is that they're demanding more hours 'cause they're NOT working full time.

The point is, they want to make a living and feel they aren't being paid enough. I agree, they aren't.

If you want to make a living, you don't work in fast food. Believe it or not, there's other jobs out there that most of these people can get.

 

[konceptjones]

You won't find the Guatemalans around here protesting anytime soon, their chillin at 7.25 an hour

yeah, that's the other part to this. I been seeing a rise in Mexicans and other latinos jumping at these fast food jobs. Americans bitch and moan about it, but them cats grab 'em and stay sending money to the crib with 'em. I know how they do it too:

they live in the hood until they can do better.

their clothes come cheap (walmart, ross, etc)

they ain't out there trying to floss

they take public transportation, but if they have a car it's a hooptie they bought with cash.

Basically, they live according to their means. By and large, Americans don't and there's nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise.

Making 7.50 an hour is better than starving in their home country. By the way, about all those happy immigrants. they are all using government assistance. And you complain about that as well. This has been pointed out so many times. Society doesn't work at high efficiency when employers can't even pay a living wage. You have two options. You can keep demonizing hard workers who want to see the fruit of their labors, or you can tell the greedy corporations to fork over more money.

Maybe you should take the time to read through my posts to see where I stand on public assistance.

You can't really be against something you've had to use yourself.

 

[konceptjones]

Do I think fast food workers should get paid more?

The answer is yes I do.

Do I think fast food workers deserve to earn as much as an individual whose gone to school for years and been trained in a specific skill.

Probably not.

I do think they should get paid more though, but you'd have to be nearly an idiot thinking working fast food will support you, a family, and the basic necessities of a home.

According to the logic of some a fast food worker should make as much guap as a physician, attorney, teacher,etc.

Most of those folks have had years of training.

There is a small percentage of people with the skills and training to do what they do as opposed to a fast food worker who can be trained to perform that skill in a relatively short period of time.

Just like anything else in life you get out of it what you put into it.

If you have a high school diploma, a GED, or less then your earning potential will be limited especially in comparison to someone with a degree or degrees.

If you don't like that either go to school or pursue another job like another poster already stated fast food jobs aren't the only hustle out there.

If the minium wage goes up, all of our wages are going to go up in the process

With that said no one is saying fastfood workers should be paid as much as a nurse or engineer just as a wage they could live on

bullshit. Total bullshit. I wanna see the salary of a cat making 100K+ go up because they raised minimum.

Let's say they raise the minimum to $15/hr. What will happen is that people currently making less than $15 will be bumped to $15/hr and nothing more. Nobody is going to look at what they were making before like:

"ok... Roscoe... You were making $10/hr before minimum was raised... That's 37.9% more than the old minimum of $7.25 so your new pay rate will be about $21/hr... Sounds fair?"

No, that shit will not EVER happen. That's completely unrealistic. They're not going to scale up anyone's pay rate or even just raise it a bit.

 

[desertrain10]

Do I think fast food workers should get paid more?

The answer is yes I do.

Do I think fast food workers deserve to earn as much as an individual whose gone to school for years and been trained in a specific skill.

Probably not.

I do think they should get paid more though, but you'd have to be nearly an idiot thinking working fast food will support you, a family, and the basic necessities of a home.

According to the logic of some a fast food worker should make as much guap as a physician, attorney, teacher,etc.

Most of those folks have had years of training.

There is a small percentage of people with the skills and training to do what they do as opposed to a fast food worker who can be trained to perform that skill in a relatively short period of time.

Just like anything else in life you get out of it what you put into it.

If you have a high school diploma, a GED, or less then your earning potential will be limited especially in comparison to someone with a degree or degrees.

If you don't like that either go to school or pursue another job like another poster already stated fast food jobs aren't the only hustle out there.

If the minium wage goes up, all of our wages are going to go up in the process

With that said no one is saying fastfood workers should be paid as much as a nurse or engineer just as a wage they could live on

bullshit. Total bullshit. I wanna see the salary of a cat making 100K+ go up because they raised minimum.

Let's say they raise the minimum to $15/hr. What will happen is that people currently making less than $15 will be bumped to $15/hr and nothing more. Nobody is going to look at what they were making before like:

"ok... Roscoe... You were making $10/hr before minimum was raised... That's 37.9% more than the old minimum of $7.25 so your new pay rate will be about $21/hr... Sounds fair?"

No, that shit will not EVER happen. That's completely unrealistic. They're not going to scale up anyone's pay rate or even just raise it a bit.

Maybe not everyone but the minimum wage sets a baseline pay 

any increase will have a proportionate effect throughout the workforce in due time...a manager is getting paid $11 an hour and the minimum wage for entry-level positions goes up to $10, the manager will likely receive a pay raise.in order to maintain a fair pay scale and to remain competitive, everyone up the line would also receive pay increases....

 

[Young_Chitlin]

By: Max Read

A movement of one-day strikes carried out across the country by low-wage fast-food workers is gaining steam, with strikers this week in St. Louis, Kansas City, Detroit and Flint adding their strength to previous walkouts in New York and Chicago. Today: Milwaukee.



The New York Times has the SEIU-sponsored protests, which have workers demanding $15-an-hour wages—in most cases, twice their current pay—on its front pages:

The strategists know they want to achieve a $15 wage, but they seem to be ad-libbing on ways to get there. Perhaps they will seek to unionize workers at dozens of restaurants, although some labor leaders scoff at that idea because the turnover rate among fast-food employees is about 75 percent a year. Or the strategists and strikers might press city councils to enact a special “living wage” for fast-food restaurants. Or perhaps by continually disrupting the fast-food marketplace from counter to counter across the country, they can get McDonald’s, KFC and others to raise wages to end the ruckus. The protests’ organizers acknowledge that yet another goal is to push Congress to raise the federal minimum wage and pressure state legislatures to raise the state minimums.

“These companies aren’t magically going to make our lives better,” said Terrance Wise, who earns $9.30 an hour after working for eight years at a Burger King in Kansas City, plus $7.40 an hour at his second job at Pizza Hut. “We can sit back and stay silent and continue to live in poverty or, on the other hand, we can step out and say something and let it be known that we need help.”

The looseness and open-endedness of the protests could be a weakness, but in this situation it seems more like a strength: It allows organizers to walk away and describe as a "win" many different outcomes, and its broad base and low commitment requirements serve as a good way to engage, educate and organize low-wage workers in labor movements.

The restaurants, and the corporate conglomerates that own them, have so far for their part refused to budge. Community organizers, clergy, and workers from Wendy’s, Burger King, McDonald’s, and elsewhere will gather in Milwaukee and Chicago today—joined by workers walking off the job at Subway and elsewhere—to demand their right to organize.

 

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[Young_Chitlin]

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/5420-mcdonalds-cashier-job-required-bachelors-degree

 

[UPTOWN]

they're gonna have to up the wages when they start feeling them pockets getting hit. the turning point will be when chick fil a or one of the lesser restaurants ups their wages in an attempt to come for mc donalds' neck.

i think as a society we tend to look down on ppl who dont have important sounding job titles (manager of accounts services/ financial profit outcome gains and bargaining ass niggas) so these workers have a point. its not about how easy the job is just because their is little responsibility involved. this is a matter of sharing the money and the fact that the job these ppl perform on a daily basis is not a very desirable one. PPL actually think they are too good to work at mickey d's or wendy's. just that alone actually makes it a quality in an employee description being they are the ones who dont mind doing the bottom work.

its kinda hypocritical for ppl to sit back and watch msnbc and cnn then talk like they know some shit about the economy. alot of unemployement comes from the fact that alot of jobs dont pay enough for a person to make an honest living. not because the jobs arent out there. i say pay them the money. these companies have been getting over for decades. especially wal mart and mickey d's. they could double employee wages and still see profits increase

side note: we should also penalize companies who send jobs over seas to avoid paying the federal minimum wage.

 

[UPTOWN]

Nah y'all. These folks delusional as fuck.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/fast-food-workers-walk-out_n_3670569.html

"NEW YORK -- Fast food workers across the country are walking off their jobs this week in protest of what they describe as low wages and unfair labor practices.

The employees, in New York, Chicago, Detroit and other cities, are calling for a $15 per hour wage as well as the right to unionize without fear of retaliation. The campaign launched Monday in New York City, and has been aided by Fast Food Forward, a New York City-based advocacy group of fast food workers:

A crowd of hundreds of workers stretching an entire city block crowded outside a Union Square McDonald's Monday afternoon, holding signs amid chants of "we can't survive on $7.25" and "hey hey, ho ho, poverty wage has got to go." "

FOH... $15 for working at McBurger in the Box Jr's??? Hell nawl. Living wage my ass, it's a minimum wage job. The fuck makes them think the work they do deserves $15 and hour?

why you hating??? how could you NOT WANT TO SEE SOMEONE MAKE DECENT MONEY REGARDLESS??

as if lil wayne speaking to toilets, telling them he's the shit deserves millions in cold cash

 

[UPTOWN]

NY cost of living is high as hell. Most aren't asking that much.

you don't get a McDonalds job and expect to live offa it.

You should be able to live off any job you can get. Micky Ds ain't hurtin for money thats for damn sure.

If they can get it (and they should) then that's cool with me.

WHY should they? What are they doing so special that folks with degrees aren't? There are people out there with a bachelors that start out making less than $15/hr. There's skilled tradesmen that don't get that starting out.

What is a burger flipper doing that warrants that kinda money?

who are you to decide that someone with a degree deserves more than someone who works for a company who can actually afford to pay that kind of money??

 

[UPTOWN]

"Nobody owes someone a living."

Who determines this? This is something that is determined by a society. What it comes down to is you are either ok with people working full time and living in poverty or you aren't. I'm not ok with that, and I'm not the only one.

y'all really like trying to make it seem like these people are working full time. They're not. That's the other part of the whole walk-out is that they're demanding more hours 'cause they're NOT working full time.

nigga youre saying it like they make excuses as to why they cant work 40 hours or are applying for part time work ... the company/managers are slashing their hours on purpose to avoid paying over time and what not ... quit hating ... i hope they get the money. the more ppl that have disposable income, the better chance that a person going into business for themselves has at succeeding .... fuck you and your important sounding ass job title. does that make you feel good?? knowing damn well all you do is call ppl and make empty threats about how they need to pay their debts???

oh its more than that huh?? oh you a 'debt collection efficiency business mechanic financial consultant' huh?? fuck you and that 40k loan you took out to go to community college ... you lose nigga ... im signing up for chick fil a once this shit goes thru LOL you ol "power lunch with the big wigs" ass nigga

 

[aladdin1978]

I thought it was just Chicago. They're doing this crazy shit in other states too I see.

 

[Young_Chitlin]

Mods merge this with the same thread made prior to this one

 

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[kingblaze84]

i mean them fuckers work hard...

that's a long 8 hours, in that heat burning your hands the hell up.

but dont think for a second mC'd's can't outfit every restaurant worldwide with some robots to do the jobs of humans by 2015....

Exactly man. If these workers are indeed serious about wanting 15 an hour, Mcdonalds will get even more serious about trying to replace them. I've seen several coworkers of mine fired, only to see me and the technology take their place. My company has never done better.....this is the age where people really should evaluate the choices they make in life, including whether they can afford kids in this dying country we live in.....

 

[Bcotton5]

lol this protest happened here in Detroit I had to get a degree to make that much money an hour

 

[UPTOWN]

i mean them fuckers work hard...

that's a long 8 hours, in that heat burning your hands the hell up.

but dont think for a second mC'd's can't outfit every restaurant worldwide with some robots to do the jobs of humans by 2015....

Exactly man. If these workers are indeed serious about wanting 15 an hour, Mcdonalds will get even more serious about trying to replace them. I've seen several coworkers of mine fired, only to see me and the technology take their place. My company has never done better.....this is the age where people really should evaluate the choices they make in life, including whether they can afford kids in this dying country we live in.....

niggas ..... mcdonalds aint about to pay for no fucking robots to run their shit. first off mcdonalds is a franchise so the costs would fall on the owners of each location. corporate aint putting up the money for that. dont get it twisted, im not saying that there arent any locations that wouldnt do some shit like that. but the vast majority?? nah

do you know how much a developer would charge to write progams for some shit like this??? knowing its mcdonalds thats buying?? if it was me im licencing my programs for 10 mil per store. fuck you gone do not buy it??

... you mean to tell me these fucks cant double that just to pay these ppl to live NORMAL??? .... not make them rich and drive bmw's and shit ...just to live in 1 and 2 bedroom apartments, drive ford fusions, buy groceries, and have cable and internet and shit.

wtf kinda fuck shit is this world coming to when ppl have to ASK just to live normal??

id save up every check, buy some gunz, and go hitler on every mcdonalds ceo i could find. tying kids up and gun butting grandmoms, wives, and favorite relatives. nigga you live in a house that costs more than what ill make in 100 years working 40 hours a week with no vacations??

***plays ante up by MOP***

 

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[UPTOWN]

i mean them fuckers work hard...

that's a long 8 hours, in that heat burning your hands the hell up.

but dont think for a second mC'd's can't outfit every restaurant worldwide with some robots to do the jobs of humans by 2015....

Exactly man. If these workers are indeed serious about wanting 15 an hour, Mcdonalds will get even more serious about trying to replace them. I've seen several coworkers of mine fired, only to see me and the technology take their place. My company has never done better.....this is the age where people really should evaluate the choices they make in life, including whether they can afford kids in this dying country we live in.....

niggas ..... mcdonalds aint about to pay for no fucking robots to run their shit. first off mcdonalds is a franchise so the costs would fall on the owners of each location. corporate aint putting up the money for that. dont get it twisted, im not saying that there arent any locations that wouldnt do some shit like that. but the vast majority?? nah

do you know how much a developer would charge to write progams for some shit like this??? knowing its mcdonalds thats buying?? if it was me im licencing my programs for 10 mil per store. fuck you gone do not buy it??

... you mean to tell me these fucks cant double that just to pay these ppl to live NORMAL??? .... not make them rich and drive bmw's and shit ...just to live in 1 and 2 bedroom apartments, drive ford fusions, buy groceries, and have cable and internet and shit.

wtf kinda fuck shit is this world coming to when ppl have to ASK just to live normal??

id save up every check, buy some gunz, and go hitler on every mcdonalds ceo i could find. tying kids up and gun butting grandmoms, wives, and favorite relatives. nigga you live in a house that costs more than what ill make in 100 years working 40 hours a week with no vacations??

***plays ante up by MOP***

takes 10g's to go in on a franchise with a business...

the resturant trains you on how to run everything and they outfit the location while you pay them off with what you make from customers.

i know cause im plotting on a waffle house out by ft bliss.

props on this

i hope you cake up

it cost 250k to start a mcdonalds tho. and sometimes it cant even be a preexisting building