Pres Obama Announces Free Community College Plan (Two Free Years of CC for students)

[blakfyahking]

"Lame duck President " is not what this President wants to be looked at when its all said done.Immigration reform, Cuba, and now this.

SMH.....anybody hyped about this is gullible as shit

much as I appreciate Obama attempting to make moves, this shit is def lacking

fans are so geeked to dick ride cuzzo that they don't even see how this another political move that fucks poorer black folks even more

I would rather he look towards improving these shitty public high schools with that money cause what benefit do we get out of basically creating a 13th and 14th grade

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

he fucking niggaz with these immigration policies, and now those of us who worked to get degrees and did our due diligence will be screwed next

but of course niggaz are so emotional that they won't even be willing to acknowledge that they are being played.....SMH @ political support always being based on emotion instead of critical thought

1) there a millions of black immigrants

2) no one told you to major in something that won't get you a job

3) yes its a political move, but its still a positive step forward

4) i don't see how this is bad for blacks, at all

your response just proves my point about how gullible sheep niggaz are haha

1) so what is your point about black immigrants, you saying it's cool to purposely inflate the labor pool

2) most of the cats with worthless degrees cause they chose the wrong major are the cats who need help the most...............but unfortunately this policy just devalues a college degree even more

3) this shit isn't a step forward, it's just a way to buy votes from naive voters

4) choosing to flood the labor market with more degrees doesn't help black folks at all...........this will especially hurt HBCUs as well

most HBCUs suck; idgaf about them

making two years of CC free is not "flooding the labor market with degrees"

and part of the reason HBCUs suck is because people no longer care about them..........they used to be significant institutions that helped create wealth in the black community..........but we'll continue to see what not giving a fuck gets us

making 60 credit hrs free will flood the labor market with degrees.....anytime you artificially lower the price of something there will be an increase in demand that leads to a surplus

and you think that's a good thing when you already have a surplus of mofos with degrees who already can't get jobs

but you all go head with supporting this shit cause it sounds good haha

do you think we should get rid of public schools then? since a HS diploma/GED is no longer valuable?

I'm not sure if I'm following your flawed logic

what I'm saying is that because a HS diploma has been devalued due to the shitty quality of public education today, most employers now want people with college degrees for jobs that used to be filled by HS grads

but what is happening is instead of improving HS education so that college isn't looked at as a requirement to get a decent job, mofos are just inflating the number of people going to college................which further increases tuition and increases a labor pool of college educated folks who can't get a job

all that does is screw people who rely on a college degree as a way out....the same people Obama is pretending to help.........meanwhile college administrators make even more from economic rent vs actually providing a real value

this whole push to send everybody to college is just a way to lock niggaz down with debt SMH

How is two years of cc going to give you debt? You sure you have a degree? A plan like this, applied correctly, will help people get jobs. You essentially want college to contine to be unaccesible to lower income americans because you are afraid of competition from people with AA degrees LOL

SMH @ saying the bolded but then also saying you don't give a fuck about HBCUs

HBCUs have long been the most affordable route for college for many black and poorer folks

plus they give a quality education at an affordable price that gives many struggling black/poor students the support to excel

the bolded also lets me know that you obviously don't understand how this higher ed shit works

most cats going to CC are typically unprepared for college work which means they will more than likely follow the same patterns that make college students risk failure by either failing to graduate in a timely manner, and/or by failing to secure employment that made going to college worth it

one of those patterns is taking on debt............even tho free CC could defray half the cost of a Bachelors, a CC student is generally at a higher risk of taking loans to pay for school.............if they were already a strong student or had the resources they wouldn't really be looking at CC anyways

plus CC is already generally cheap so why make it free to encourage mofos to attend who wouldn't normally do so anyways? someone already willing to work to pay for CC has a much higher chance of success than someone going to school for free when more than likely they didn't take advantage of the free education they got during their K-12 years

 

[blakfyahking]

1. Most people go to 2 year colleges first because 4 year colleges are so expensive. This would decrease demand for 4-year Universities dropping the costs for those who are already there which means less student debt and more money into the economy.

2. It will also mean more people in scientific fields. Science degrees are harder to get and require more class & lab time to complete which may be part of the reason many poor kids don't go into those fields. BUT...if they're free the only excuse for not going into the scientific field is you're not smart enough or didn't want to.

Imagine how many brilliant physicists & biologists there never were because their parents were too poor for college but too rich for FASFA/Grant Money?

3. More qualified and educated people into a growing technological nation is never a bad thing.

4. Better jobs generally equates to bigger paychecks which means more money for taxes which means more money for the treasury which means less crime, more tax breaks, etc...

...of course this shit aint ever gonna happen but those 4 things off the top of my head are very exciting to think about.

1) most CCs are supported by the university system in their own state. the state university system is not going to gut the pricing of their 4yr schools just to support their 2yr schools..........case in point, branding and prestige play a large portion in tuition rates, which is why private schools get away with them bullshit crazy prices............state schools do the same at a lower level using prestige.

How? for example many employers judge you on your GPA and you degree honors.............well many 4yr universities don't award honors to students that haven't done more than 60 - 75 credits at their schools..........so if you did 60 cred at a CC then transfer, and the Bachelors is a total of 120cred.....you do the math........you got screwed even though you may have met all the other reqs to get the award of summa,magna, etc...............I personally had this happen to a friend of mine who had a 3.8GPA SMH

that's just one example

2) there are many specific scholarships that are not income based that specifically help recruit people into STEM..........hell one of them is the Ronald McNair scholarship(which is offered at those same HBCUs nobody gives a fuck about haha)........there are many others, so cost really isn't a barrier

3) agreed

4) not necessarily, because someone still has to create those better jobs..........we need to educate more people to be bosses instead of training everyone to be workers

 

[trilladelic]

& of course it this plan materializes the ass-backwards representatives of my beloved state of texas will have no part of it..

because in texas its cool to be stupid..

 

[kzzl]

"Lame duck President " is not what this President wants to be looked at when its all said done.Immigration reform, Cuba, and now this.

SMH.....anybody hyped about this is gullible as shit

much as I appreciate Obama attempting to make moves, this shit is def lacking

fans are so geeked to dick ride cuzzo that they don't even see how this another political move that fucks poorer black folks even more

I would rather he look towards improving these shitty public high schools with that money cause what benefit do we get out of basically creating a 13th and 14th grade

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

he fucking niggaz with these immigration policies, and now those of us who worked to get degrees and did our due diligence will be screwed next

but of course niggaz are so emotional that they won't even be willing to acknowledge that they are being played.....SMH @ political support always being based on emotion instead of critical thought

13th or 14th grade? That's some ignorant shit to say. Have you seen what CC can offer? Like I said before people can get training, certified, and employed in them two years. It's plenty of courses where it's more than just another year of math and reading home work.

But the bolded, though. Are you bringing up how you went through the ringer and now you're upset cause others won't have too? Cause that's what it looks like. If that's the case, you gotta let that jealousy go.

That's the price of times changing.

But you do make a good point bout them trying to get that money in other ways possibly. Jacking up tuition and other college shit people pay for. But students are gonna be in debt regardless if they gotta do something that requires more time. If this thing is on the up and up, at the least it'll shave what would be two years off they monthly payments.

And I don't see that huge a problem with people having degrees and no where to work. It mentioned in-demand jobs and if it's anything like the program I went through, only courses with a high demand for graduates will be approved. And it might go according to whats in demand for the region of each state. So not every course is going to get the same treatment. People will get jobs easier and even has assistance from companies that benefit from the bodies.

Come to think of it, it'll probably affect the blue collar level the most and the white collar level the least of the two.

at the bolded.......CC is 13th/14th grade if the person going there doesn't have the basics that they should've gotten from a HS education......that is the problem............if you are going there for trade school type work, it may be better to just go to a specialized trade school......or even better we should have an apprenticeship type program which would be even more efficient

for others using it to gain even higher education, most of the people going to CC are only going because of cost/lack of grades.........many state schools offer better support and students get a better education with the same cost because of economies of scale............that is why HBCUs are still relevant

encouraging free CC without loan forgiveness just sends more unprepared students thru higher education which further encourages more debt and time wasted, when that person would probably be better served by gaining work experience or by going to a specialized trade school instead

no one is saying CCs aren't valuable, the problem is that CCs shouldn't be used to compensate for the failures of our current K-12 system

cats forgets that most CCs teach the 1st 60 credits of a Bachelor's degree which is generally nothing more than common core classes that cats can already take at a university with more resources

as far as the underlined/bolded.............cats should be less skeptical of some stranger on the net talking common sense vs. their politicians that boldface lie and take your money from you haha

I already have a graduate degree, and I'm currently finishing a 2nd......plus I already have my own place of business haha..........so no, this doesn't really affect me personally

but it does affect my people out there still struggling to come up........SMH @ me for actually giving a fuck by actually wanting folks to get the help they actually need

I dig your concern. HS education needs to be fixed, but that's not what's on the table here.

The people that do have the basics go straight into what they NEED to learn. No need for refresher classes and extra shit. This plan for CC can help people that want to pursue career courses that aren't offered at specialized schools or have apprenticeship programs.

And this free CC might change the cost, but I saw nothing of it changing the school standards. Students are just as prepared as they would of been had they still had to pay. If anything, they'll be more prepared as cost won't impede them attending classes. I'd understand the concern if the quality of education was affected by this, but there's nothing there to show that's what will happen.

And students are going to be in debt no matter what they do. The system is set up for that to happen. They're in debt now even if this doesn't pass. But if there's an offer on the table that might soften the blow for the future students, let's see what they talking bout.

I figured you throw in your own little success story. This plan can help others have one as well. Without having Sally Mae ringing their phone before the check hits. Hell, Uncle Sam offers you the same thing and expects you to kill for it.

Compensating failures, though? Yeah, you one of them niggas. You might as well say they do the same thing for military folks.

I think you're negative opinion on CC overall leaves you bias. This is a good idea that could help people who utilize it. I say we see how they draw this up.

 

[blakfyahking]

I dig your concern. HS education needs to be fixed, but that's not what's on the table here.

The people that do have the basics go straight into what they NEED to learn. No need for refresher classes and extra shit. This plan for CC can help people that want to pursue career courses that aren't offered at specialized schools or have apprenticeship programs.

And this free CC might change the cost, but I saw nothing of it changing the school standards. Students are just as prepared as they would of been had they still had to pay. If anything, they'll be more prepared as cost won't impede them attending classes. I'd understand the concern if the quality of education was affected by this, but there's nothing there to show that's what will happen.

And students are going to be in debt no matter what they do. The system is set up for that to happen. They're in debt now even if this doesn't pass. But if there's an offer on the table that might soften the blow for the future students, let's see what they talking bout.

I figured you throw in your own little success story. This plan can help others have one as well. Without having Sally Mae ringing their phone before the check hits. Hell, Uncle Sam offers you the same thing and expects you to kill for it.

Compensating failures, though? Yeah, you one of them niggas. You might as well say they do the same thing for military folks.

I think you're negative opinion on CC overall leaves you bias. This is a good idea that could help people who utilize it. I say we see how they draw this up.

actually I don't have a negative opinion at all about CCs.........what I have a negative opinion about is further encouraging people to go to college when they aren't prepared otherwise

you even got cats in this thread arguing that college is not a sure ticket to success, but then at the same time advocating that we should push more folks down the route of potentially lower quality education and/or possibly passing up a more valuable education by joining the workforce for a couple years 1st..........in some case CCs provide a valuable service............but on a mass level this is just further encouraging the "everyone needs a degree" mentality that created this massive debt burden

my story withstanding, you basically insinuated I had a personal bias when I simply explained why the CC issue doesn't really affect me personally........trust I could've assumed like you did that you are possibly jealous of my circumstances but that ain't really the point.........and I actually used the GI bill for most of my higher ed, so please don't even try to make this shallow gesture seem similar

I'm a big advocate of people getting a chance to get an education.........but only when they are truly ready......and the education is quality.........and that people aren't set up for failure in the long term just cause some smiling politician gave them a false freebie in the short term

nothing that has value is really truly free, don't believe the bullshit champ

 

[kzzl]

I dig your concern. HS education needs to be fixed, but that's not what's on the table here.

The people that do have the basics go straight into what they NEED to learn. No need for refresher classes and extra shit. This plan for CC can help people that want to pursue career courses that aren't offered at specialized schools or have apprenticeship programs.

And this free CC might change the cost, but I saw nothing of it changing the school standards. Students are just as prepared as they would of been had they still had to pay. If anything, they'll be more prepared as cost won't impede them attending classes. I'd understand the concern if the quality of education was affected by this, but there's nothing there to show that's what will happen.

And students are going to be in debt no matter what they do. The system is set up for that to happen. They're in debt now even if this doesn't pass. But if there's an offer on the table that might soften the blow for the future students, let's see what they talking bout.

I figured you throw in your own little success story. This plan can help others have one as well. Without having Sally Mae ringing their phone before the check hits. Hell, Uncle Sam offers you the same thing and expects you to kill for it.

Compensating failures, though? Yeah, you one of them niggas. You might as well say they do the same thing for military folks.

I think you're negative opinion on CC overall leaves you bias. This is a good idea that could help people who utilize it. I say we see how they draw this up.

actually I don't have a negative opinion at all about CCs.........what I have a negative opinion about is further encouraging people to go to college when they aren't prepared otherwise

you even got cats in this thread arguing that college is not a sure ticket to success, but then at the same time advocating that we should push more folks down the route of potentially lower quality education and/or possibly passing up a more valuable education by joining the workforce for a couple years 1st..........in some case CCs provide a valuable service............but on a mass level this is just further encouraging the "everyone needs a degree" mentality that created this massive debt burden

my story withstanding, you basically insinuated I had a personal bias when I simply explained why the CC issue doesn't really affect me personally........trust I could've assumed like you did that you are possibly jealous of my circumstances but that ain't really the point.........and I actually used the GI bill for most of my higher ed, so please don't even try to make this shallow gesture seem similar

I'm a big advocate of people getting a chance to get an education.........but only when they are truly ready......and the education is quality.........and that people aren't set up for failure in the long term just cause some smiling politician gave them a false freebie in the short term

nothing that has value is really truly free, don't believe the bullshit champ

You've no bias or negative opinion, yet you've only referred to it in some disparaging way this whole time. You have a fucked up way of expressing how something has value.

Everything else, I've already posted on.

 

[LUClEN]

the issue is what is being taught. CC is hardly a good educational environment. whatever tho

so you telling me basically getting a extra two years of school for free is a bad thing? nigga do you even have a degree?

I have two from Universities. good luck with that community college bullshit.

I went to community college before transferring to the best university in my country

It's not a complete waste of time

but you will finish your degree faster if you just go straight to Uni

However the cc work allowed me to see that philosophy is fun but not what I need to major in as I came to adore social sciences

without that preliminary degree I might have pursued phil in uni and maybe ended up unemployable

now I double major in a branch of phil which has stem components which will not only make me more employable but also prepare me for the LSAT exam and help me do better research

TL;DR: Five is being a bit hasty in his rejection of CC

it's not as good as Uni but does not have no use

and if it's free I see it as worthwhile, particularly for those who may not have attended otherwise

I see no negatives to having a more educated popluation

 

[Meta_Conscious]

community colleges suck

online colleges suck

u get "credentials" not an education in many cases

that being said, an educated population is a great thing. My question remains: is that what this would result in? Or will this just result in more ppl with associate degrees?

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Idgaf about HBCUs most of them are no better than local ccs. Ya'll mad?

"Lame duck President " is not what this President wants to be looked at when its all said done.Immigration reform, Cuba, and now this.

SMH.....anybody hyped about this is gullible as shit

much as I appreciate Obama attempting to make moves, this shit is def lacking

fans are so geeked to dick ride cuzzo that they don't even see how this another political move that fucks poorer black folks even more

I would rather he look towards improving these shitty public high schools with that money cause what benefit do we get out of basically creating a 13th and 14th grade

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

he fucking niggaz with these immigration policies, and now those of us who worked to get degrees and did our due diligence will be screwed next

but of course niggaz are so emotional that they won't even be willing to acknowledge that they are being played.....SMH @ political support always being based on emotion instead of critical thought

1) there a millions of black immigrants

2) no one told you to major in something that won't get you a job

3) yes its a political move, but its still a positive step forward

4) i don't see how this is bad for blacks, at all

your response just proves my point about how gullible sheep niggaz are haha

1) so what is your point about black immigrants, you saying it's cool to purposely inflate the labor pool

2) most of the cats with worthless degrees cause they chose the wrong major are the cats who need help the most...............but unfortunately this policy just devalues a college degree even more

3) this shit isn't a step forward, it's just a way to buy votes from naive voters

4) choosing to flood the labor market with more degrees doesn't help black folks at all...........this will especially hurt HBCUs as well

most HBCUs suck; idgaf about them

making two years of CC free is not "flooding the labor market with degrees"

and part of the reason HBCUs suck is because people no longer care about them..........they used to be significant institutions that helped create wealth in the black community..........but we'll continue to see what not giving a fuck gets us

making 60 credit hrs free will flood the labor market with degrees.....anytime you artificially lower the price of something there will be an increase in demand that leads to a surplus

and you think that's a good thing when you already have a surplus of mofos with degrees who already can't get jobs

but you all go head with supporting this shit cause it sounds good haha

do you think we should get rid of public schools then? since a HS diploma/GED is no longer valuable?

I'm not sure if I'm following your flawed logic

what I'm saying is that because a HS diploma has been devalued due to the shitty quality of public education today, most employers now want people with college degrees for jobs that used to be filled by HS grads

but what is happening is instead of improving HS education so that college isn't looked at as a requirement to get a decent job, mofos are just inflating the number of people going to college................which further increases tuition and increases a labor pool of college educated folks who can't get a job

all that does is screw people who rely on a college degree as a way out....the same people Obama is pretending to help.........meanwhile college administrators make even more from economic rent vs actually providing a real value

this whole push to send everybody to college is just a way to lock niggaz down with debt SMH

How is two years of cc going to give you debt? You sure you have a degree? A plan like this, applied correctly, will help people get jobs. You essentially want college to contine to be unaccesible to lower income americans because you are afraid of competition from people with AA degrees LOL

SMH @ saying the bolded but then also saying you don't give a fuck about HBCUs

HBCUs have long been the most affordable route for college for many black and poorer folks

plus they give a quality education at an affordable price that gives many struggling black/poor students the support to excel

the bolded also lets me know that you obviously don't understand how this higher ed shit works

most cats going to CC are typically unprepared for college work which means they will more than likely follow the same patterns that make college students risk failure by either failing to graduate in a timely manner, and/or by failing to secure employment that made going to college worth it

one of those patterns is taking on debt............even tho free CC could defray half the cost of a Bachelors, a CC student is generally at a higher risk of taking loans to pay for school.............if they were already a strong student or had the resources they wouldn't really be looking at CC anyways

plus CC is already generally cheap so why make it free to encourage mofos to attend who wouldn't normally do so anyways? someone already willing to work to pay for CC has a much higher chance of success than someone going to school for free when more than likely they didn't take advantage of the free education they got during their K-12 years

You dont want low income people to have access to education/job training i guess

 

[semi-auto-mato]

@aggyaf yeah my dude im mad...i am a proud hbcu alumni. over 50% of black educators are hbcu grads. year after year we send more black grads to law school and medical schools. u can say what u want but we had options. we didnt pick a hbcu because we couldnt get into other schools. we pick them because because of the quallity of the education...the history...our love for family and our community.

pirate for life...i love my home by the sea

 

[Meta_Conscious]

Black ppl shitting on HBCUs...

Smh

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

community colleges suck

online colleges suck

u get "credentials" not an education in many cases

that being said, an educated population is a great thing. My question remains: is that what this would result in? Or will this just result in more ppl with associate degrees?

What you're saying is completely subjective. How many students after they finish their Bachelors and walk around saying, "I didn't learn anything..."?

Like one of the posters said before, college is what you make of it. It's an investment. This program will be like every other program that's meant to help. The people who understand the importance and have a plan, will use it to their advantage, and the fools will waste everyone's time and resources.

So your question is, what will this result in? Another outlet for the people who are willing to put in the work to help themselves.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

I can dig it.

 

[semi-auto-mato]

community colleges suck

online colleges suck

u get "credentials" not an education in many cases

that being said, an educated population is a great thing. My question remains: is that what this would result in? Or will this just result in more ppl with associate degrees?

these are good questions. if this passes getting into a cc would become more competitive. so i do think we would have people getting degrees that probably didnt have the money before but i dont think anyone would be able to get it. i also think this would be a major hit to online colleges.

 

[Meta_Conscious]

If this fucks with the online colleges I'm all for it!!!

 

[CapitalB]

If this fucks with the online colleges I'm all for it!!!

im all for it too..

may even go sign up and take some filler classes..

u know how many bitches imma have access too now??! hahaha

 

[(ob)Scene]

"Lame duck President " is not what this President wants to be looked at when its all said done.Immigration reform, Cuba, and now this.

SMH.....anybody hyped about this is gullible as shit

much as I appreciate Obama attempting to make moves, this shit is def lacking

fans are so geeked to dick ride cuzzo that they don't even see how this another political move that fucks poorer black folks even more

I would rather he look towards improving these shitty public high schools with that money cause what benefit do we get out of basically creating a 13th and 14th grade

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

he fucking niggaz with these immigration policies, and now those of us who worked to get degrees and did our due diligence will be screwed next

but of course niggaz are so emotional that they won't even be willing to acknowledge that they are being played.....SMH @ political support always being based on emotion instead of critical thought

1) there a millions of black immigrants

2) no one told you to major in something that won't get you a job

3) yes its a political move, but its still a positive step forward

4) i don't see how this is bad for blacks, at all

your response just proves my point about how gullible sheep niggaz are haha

1) so what is your point about black immigrants, you saying it's cool to purposely inflate the labor pool

2) most of the cats with worthless degrees cause they chose the wrong major are the cats who need help the most...............but unfortunately this policy just devalues a college degree even more

3) this shit isn't a step forward, it's just a way to buy votes from naive voters

4) choosing to flood the labor market with more degrees doesn't help black folks at all...........this will especially hurt HBCUs as well

most HBCUs suck; idgaf about them

making two years of CC free is not "flooding the labor market with degrees"

and part of the reason HBCUs suck is because people no longer care about them..........they used to be significant institutions that helped create wealth in the black community..........but we'll continue to see what not giving a fuck gets us

making 60 credit hrs free will flood the labor market with degrees.....anytime you artificially lower the price of something there will be an increase in demand that leads to a surplus

and you think that's a good thing when you already have a surplus of mofos with degrees who already can't get jobs

but you all go head with supporting this shit cause it sounds good haha

do you think we should get rid of public schools then? since a HS diploma/GED is no longer valuable?

I'm not sure if I'm following your flawed logic

what I'm saying is that because a HS diploma has been devalued due to the shitty quality of public education today, most employers now want people with college degrees for jobs that used to be filled by HS grads

but what is happening is instead of improving HS education so that college isn't looked at as a requirement to get a decent job, mofos are just inflating the number of people going to college................which further increases tuition and increases a labor pool of college educated folks who can't get a job

all that does is screw people who rely on a college degree as a way out....the same people Obama is pretending to help.........meanwhile college administrators make even more from economic rent vs actually providing a real value

this whole push to send everybody to college is just a way to lock niggaz down with debt SMH

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

So you suggest loan forgiveness for those who have already completed college as opposed to what is essentially 2 year loan forgiveness for future college students. Sounds to me like the opposite side of a 2 headed coin. That's selfishness if I've ever seen it.

Your words exemplify Republican logic to a T. "It doesn't assist me directly so it's a bad thing that must be shot down."

The only thing devaluing college degrees in the US is the belief that the degree is what gets you the job. We have an American workforce full of graduates with unrefined skills that have very little more than a degree to offer. However, hirers also need to do a better job of evaluating prospects.

and the bolded just let's me know you aren't educated on this topic because you are just repeating typical political soundbites

SMH @ you thinking Democrats or Republicans give a fuck about the common person struggling

your logic is flawed...........you can't say the workforce is full of graduates without refined skills, but then you turn around and advocate flooding the market with more of the same people with degrees

you really think more cats going to CC is going to fix the problem? especially since most cats going to CC aren't really prepared for college coursework anyways? supporting this just leads to more people with degrees with even less skills

You can question my knowledge of the topic all you want but I was making a direct comparison to the republican position on the Affordable Care Act. You have a bunch of people that already have health care so their selfishness and privilege renders them incapable of seeing the need for government sponsored health insurance. These are the same people that created a faux IRS scandal so that they could in turn cut the IRS budget, resulting in less resources for the agency to investigate tax evasion crimes on both personal and business/corporate accounts. It's all a part of the game.

Yes, you may have more people with degrees but like I said previously the issue is the way that we view college in America. People see a college degree as a golden ticket towards getting a job when that there is flawed logic. People wouldn't have an issue with "more" degrees being on the market if they stopped to realize that these applications they speak of note a degree as a "MINIMUM" requirement. Your resumé doesn't stop at your degree so I find no issue with affording more citizens an opportunity to attain one.

Besides, the nations that offer college free all the way through don't have many of the issues you say this is going to create. All we're doing is giving more people a chance to meet the minimum. It's their prerogative whether or not they take advantage of the opportunity.

I do however find it deeply troubling that you find holding a handful of Americans back as a better option. B/c that's what this is when you get to the root of it. If you're against giving people a chance to advance then you are advocating holding them back.

 

[jono]

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[DarcSkies]

1. Most people go to 2 year colleges first because 4 year colleges are so expensive. This would decrease demand for 4-year Universities dropping the costs for those who are already there which means less student debt and more money into the economy.

2. It will also mean more people in scientific fields. Science degrees are harder to get and require more class & lab time to complete which may be part of the reason many poor kids don't go into those fields. BUT...if they're free the only excuse for not going into the scientific field is you're not smart enough or didn't want to.

Imagine how many brilliant physicists & biologists there never were because their parents were too poor for college but too rich for FASFA/Grant Money?

3. More qualified and educated people into a growing technological nation is never a bad thing.

4. Better jobs generally equates to bigger paychecks which means more money for taxes which means more money for the treasury which means less crime, more tax breaks, etc...

...of course this shit aint ever gonna happen but those 4 things off the top of my head are very exciting to think about.

1) most CCs are supported by the university system in their own state. the state university system is not going to gut the pricing of their 4yr schools just to support their 2yr schools..........case in point, branding and prestige play a large portion in tuition rates, which is why private schools get away with them bullshit crazy prices............state schools do the same at a lower level using prestige.

How? for example many employers judge you on your GPA and you degree honors.............well many 4yr universities don't award honors to students that haven't done more than 60 - 75 credits at their schools..........so if you did 60 cred at a CC then transfer, and the Bachelors is a total of 120cred.....you do the math........you got screwed even though you may have met all the other reqs to get the award of summa,magna, etc...............I personally had this happen to a friend of mine who had a 3.8GPA SMH

that's just one example

2) there are many specific scholarships that are not income based that specifically help recruit people into STEM..........hell one of them is the Ronald McNair scholarship(which is offered at those same HBCUs nobody gives a fuck about haha)........there are many others, so cost really isn't a barrier

3) agreed

4) not necessarily, because someone still has to create those better jobs..........we need to educate more people to be bosses instead of training everyone to be workers

1. College are mostly paid by tax dollars right? I always thought it was tax money and for private schools it was alumni money and grants, etc. And most people aren't going to Ivy League colleges & HBU anyway.

If more people elect to go to JC's first then how does it not lower the price? It's all about putting asses in seats. If less asses are in seats the prices have to go down no?

2. You may be right but Im talking about regular ass Marcus C. Negro who is smart but not really thinking about science field because the English major only needs this many units and he's not trying to be in school forever and be in that much debt.

Chances are if you've wanted to be a marine biologist all your life you willing to deal with it. Im just saying it'll give more people a reason to think it can happen for them.

3 & 4. Lets be honest. Most people justa rent bosses. Most people are followers and worker bees. No sense in trying to change nature

 

[Mister B.]

Black ppl shitting on HBCUs...

Smh

This saddens me. Coonery at a very high level in this thread.