Old article: Obama’s scolding tone with black audiences is getting old...and a few comments

[2stepz_ahead]

My only issue with Obama was him not doing anything about these race soldiers unjustly killing black people. Imagine if we had an Asian, Jewish, or gay president and we see race soldiers murdering any of those groups at the rate black people were getting murdered, and them not doing anything to help their own. They would've done something about that shit. And if Obama can give criticism of the black community then I can give criticism about his presidency.

two different things....

those groups are a unit....we are a unit when its convenient and even then we have assholes who want to be mavericks.

Obama had a very hard job and I understand the bigger picture.

cut him some slack

He didn't cut us any slack when he sat up there and called black kids "thugs" after the Baltimore uprising, nor did he cut us slack whenever he got on his soapbox to criticize black people. Nor did he cut us slack when he saw black people get slaughtered by race soldiers and did nothing about it. Like I said before if he can criticize black people then I can criticize him.

again he is not perfect....this man has to basically steer the direction of the world. you might have been hearing frustration.

using myself.....i am often frustrated seeing some many white people barely getting by..just because of their color. being in the right place, knowing someone. whatever. yet, when i come back to my foundation, i am always questioned about dumb shit from parent, that should not even matter.

you guys are hard on obama just like the white people..is not harder.

this is why i said.....being a successful black man is the hardest job on this planet. simply because everything you do or say will be used against you to prove you aint shit.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

Don't be naive

I get your point but you're a missing ours

and what point is that...please tell me. help me understand. speak to me like i am a 5 yr old

 

[ghostdog56]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

But how can a person speak on the conditions of someone struggling if they never struggled themselves?

Bruh, all struggle doesn't have to be financial. You're a black man, I assume. So u should know that. Money wouldn't change how you're perceived in America. C'mon bruh

The money will insulate you from a lot of their bullshit

 

[2stepz_ahead]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

But how can a person speak on the conditions of someone struggling if they never struggled themselves?

maybe because he know the opportunities that await us...if a few things changed.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

No one is questioning his blackness but we are saying the environment he was raised in was different. it afforded him opportunities the median African American (descendant of a slave) didn't have.

Lineage matters, while his grandmother was VP at a Hawaii bank, on the mainland where would the grandmother of a man his age be working?

How many black families that are descendants of slaves will inherit $500k from their grandmother which means he was getting broke off during his life, how many have the Harvard alum box checked off?

Michelle's story is more in line with the median African American family

And Michelle chose Obama. So that either speaks volumes about him or volumes about her. I'll let u determine which is which

Not sure how that matters?

Argument is specific to his childhood and how the circumstances were very different than most African Americans his age

 

[ghostdog56]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

But how can a person speak on the conditions of someone struggling if they never struggled themselves?

maybe because he know the opportunities that await us...if a few things changed.

Didn't he just have the power to put some of those changes in motion but chose not to?

 

[manofmorehouse]

My only issue with Obama was him not doing anything about these race soldiers unjustly killing black people. Imagine if we had an Asian, Jewish, or gay president and we see race soldiers murdering any of those groups at the rate black people were getting murdered, and them not doing anything to help their own. They would've done something about that shit. And if Obama can give criticism of the black community then I can give criticism about his presidency.

two different things....

those groups are a unit....we are a unit when its convenient and even then we have assholes who want to be mavericks.

Obama had a very hard job and I understand the bigger picture.

cut him some slack

He didn't cut us any slack when he sat up there and called black kids "thugs" after the Baltimore uprising, nor did he cut us slack whenever he got on his soapbox to criticize black people. Nor did he cut us slack when he saw black people get slaughtered by race soldiers and did nothing about it. Like I said before if he can criticize black people then I can criticize him.

again he is not perfect....this man has to basically steer the direction of the world. you might have been hearing frustration.

using myself.....i am often frustrated seeing some many white people barely getting by..just because of their color. being in the right place, knowing someone. whatever. yet, when i come back to my foundation, i am always questioned about dumb shit from parent, that should not even matter.

you guys are hard on obama just like the white people..is not harder.

this is why i said.....being a successful black man is the hardest job on this planet. simply because everything you do or say will be used against you to prove you aint shit.

Pretty much. U either a black man in his way to coming up and getting praise from African Americans or you've made it and now u a sell out lol. Look at every black man that's reached the pinnacle of success. He either "sold out", is gay, a part of the illuminati, or some other bullshit. And it's usually us perpetuating this dumb bullshit. But fuck it. U either sugarcoat our problems or u hating. Our problems will continue

 

[2stepz_ahead]

And the difference is a black man from Hawaii more than likely has money to be able to afford to live there. Now if you talking about a rich black man from Chicago then you have a point

have you even been to Hawaii?

they are some racist as people.

he may not have had to worry about his next meal, but that doesnt mean he didnt struggle in his enviroment.

look bruh,

we all have a story. all of us.

try focusing on the common ground rather than saying, "well he aint like us" cuz....did you ever think...he was often told.."well, he aint like us" back in hawaii?"

hybrids are often confused because they dont know where they fit in along racial lines, they are never black enough or too black.

none of us will win this if we keep pointing out who can tell you what to do or if he aint from the hood he cant tell us how to make it out.

we place too many restrictions on what and who can help us.

do we all need help? yes,

if i am higher than you in one area doesnt mean you cant teach me something in another area because you are higher.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

It seems like no one wants to have a mirror put to our collective problems. Everything in the black community is great, right?? At some point, we have to start looking at ourselves and saying how can we improve ourselves from within. Why is it that the first thing we say when blacks bring up things we've done is "well, u ain't saying this to whites". The fuck?? When have whites ever did anything to help us??

It's niggas on this site with multiple baby mommas, extensive criminal records, pimps, gang members, etc but genuinely ask what can another man (the president) do for them. How about u improve your situation for you and your immediate family? It's niggas that I grew up with that's still in the same condition they were in from high school. No one can give u drive. But it's these sensitive ass Drake generation that can't take criticism.

Niggas stay complaining about what Obama didn't do but they didn't go out and vote for democratic representatives to help put legislation through Congress. Y'all the same niggas that's gone ask why Westbrook can't win a championship this year with no real help lol. Y'all got it. I'm off my soap box. Catch feelings....

fact is at one point he had a problem with his messaging to the blk community

his tone was at times paternalistic and condescending.....different from when he spoke to other audiences

it matters and is problematic because it perpetuated the myth that blk ppl, blk culture does not value education same as non blks and is more morally bankrupt than other cultures, races

framing blks as deficient and pathological

given that he was the president of the united states and his words reach millions of ppl, it was problematic

So then we as a community need to be pacified?? He's a black man that, contrary to some peoples opinion, understands black plight in America. Being a successful black man in america and leader of the free world at the time, I think his opinion on things would matter. But I'll take the bait: how should a black man address black people about black problems? Given your profile name, I assume you're a black woman. Speak on it....

he shouldn't speak in a paternalistic and condescending tone

and not perpetuate negative stereotypes

 

[manofmorehouse]

It seems like no one wants to have a mirror put to our collective problems. Everything in the black community is great, right?? At some point, we have to start looking at ourselves and saying how can we improve ourselves from within. Why is it that the first thing we say when blacks bring up things we've done is "well, u ain't saying this to whites". The fuck?? When have whites ever did anything to help us??

It's niggas on this site with multiple baby mommas, extensive criminal records, pimps, gang members, etc but genuinely ask what can another man (the president) do for them. How about u improve your situation for you and your immediate family? It's niggas that I grew up with that's still in the same condition they were in from high school. No one can give u drive. But it's these sensitive ass Drake generation that can't take criticism.

Niggas stay complaining about what Obama didn't do but they didn't go out and vote for democratic representatives to help put legislation through Congress. Y'all the same niggas that's gone ask why Westbrook can't win a championship this year with no real help lol. Y'all got it. I'm off my soap box. Catch feelings....

fact is at one point he had a problem with his messaging to the blk community

his tone was at times paternalistic and condescending.....different from when he spoke to other audiences

it matters and is problematic because it perpetuated the myth that blk ppl, blk culture does not value education same as non blks and is more morally bankrupt than other cultures, races

framing blks as deficient and pathological

given that he was the president of the united states and his words reach millions of ppl, it was problematic

So then we as a community need to be pacified?? He's a black man that, contrary to some peoples opinion, understands black plight in America. Being a successful black man in america and leader of the free world at the time, I think his opinion on things would matter. But I'll take the bait: how should a black man address black people about black problems? Given your profile name, I assume you're a black woman. Speak on it....

he shouldn't speak in a paternalistic and condescending tone

and not perpetuate negative stereotypes

So sugarcoat?? Got it

 

[MarcusGarvey]

I don't see whats controversial or demeaning about what we wrote

Facts - he went to a private high school

Facts - his grandmother was a VP at a bank

Facts - his father went to Harvard

Facts - he inherited $500k

Facts - these are all different than the average black man his age

Facts - takes nothing away from him but these are the breaks

 

[2stepz_ahead]

No one is questioning his blackness but we are saying the environment he was raised in was different. it afforded him opportunities the median African American (descendant of a slave) didn't have.

Lineage matters, while his grandmother was VP at a Hawaii bank, on the mainland where would the grandmother of a man his age be working?

How many black families that are descendants of slaves will inherit $500k from their grandmother which means he was getting broke off during his life, how many have the Harvard alum box checked off?

Michelle's story is more in line with the median African American family

bruh....maybe changing your enviroment or location will show you just how much opportunity is available.

if you at a job that aint going nowhere...maybe you should change jobs.

only you can help you be better.

an this aint about looking down on anyone...i am saying its a big world out there. money for everyone.

everywhere i have been i seen africans trying to go get it. fearless in the face of white people.

so when i see that, i know we can do it.

somalians and ethopian float here to europe on rafts and makeshift boats.

seeing that shit with my own eyes is some very humbling shit.

then i go back to philly and niggas dont even want to go into jobcorp a few towns over.

we are better than that. i know it and i can see it.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

But how can a person speak on the conditions of someone struggling if they never struggled themselves?

maybe because he know the opportunities that await us...if a few things changed.

Didn't he just have the power to put some of those changes in motion but chose not to?

how you know he didnt try?

how do you know the things he did do, that helped you in other ways?

all help is not always seen.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

But how can a person speak on the conditions of someone struggling if they never struggled themselves?

Bruh, all struggle doesn't have to be financial. You're a black man, I assume. So u should know that. Money wouldn't change how you're perceived in America. C'mon bruh

The money will insulate you from a lot of their bullshit

you think so?

please tell me how.

cause from what a few on this site will say.....just cuz you have a few dollars you still a nigga.

now you telling me cuz i have a few dollars i aint a nigga?

which is it?

 

[MarcusGarvey]

No one is questioning his blackness but we are saying the environment he was raised in was different. it afforded him opportunities the median African American (descendant of a slave) didn't have.

Lineage matters, while his grandmother was VP at a Hawaii bank, on the mainland where would the grandmother of a man his age be working?

How many black families that are descendants of slaves will inherit $500k from their grandmother which means he was getting broke off during his life, how many have the Harvard alum box checked off?

Michelle's story is more in line with the median African American family

bruh....maybe changing your enviroment or location will show you just how much opportunity is available.

if you at a job that aint going nowhere...maybe you should change jobs.

only you can help you be better.

an this aint about looking down on anyone...i am saying its a big world out there. money for everyone.

everywhere i have been i seen africans trying to go get it. fearless in the face of white people.

so when i see that, i know we can do it.

somalians and ethopian float here to europe on rafts and makeshift boats.

seeing that shit with my own eyes is some very humbling shit.

then i go back to philly and niggas dont even want to go into jobcorp a few towns over.

we are better than that. i know it and i can see it.

You can't change where you start but you can where you finish, however where you start can determine how fast or likely it is you will cross the line. I get it though, men gotta do better, sistas been carrying the burden for a while

 

[2stepz_ahead]

It seems like no one wants to have a mirror put to our collective problems. Everything in the black community is great, right?? At some point, we have to start looking at ourselves and saying how can we improve ourselves from within. Why is it that the first thing we say when blacks bring up things we've done is "well, u ain't saying this to whites". The fuck?? When have whites ever did anything to help us??

It's niggas on this site with multiple baby mommas, extensive criminal records, pimps, gang members, etc but genuinely ask what can another man (the president) do for them. How about u improve your situation for you and your immediate family? It's niggas that I grew up with that's still in the same condition they were in from high school. No one can give u drive. But it's these sensitive ass Drake generation that can't take criticism.

Niggas stay complaining about what Obama didn't do but they didn't go out and vote for democratic representatives to help put legislation through Congress. Y'all the same niggas that's gone ask why Westbrook can't win a championship this year with no real help lol. Y'all got it. I'm off my soap box. Catch feelings....

fact is at one point he had a problem with his messaging to the blk community

his tone was at times paternalistic and condescending.....different from when he spoke to other audiences

it matters and is problematic because it perpetuated the myth that blk ppl, blk culture does not value education same as non blks and is more morally bankrupt than other cultures, races

framing blks as deficient and pathological

given that he was the president of the united states and his words reach millions of ppl, it was problematic

So then we as a community need to be pacified?? He's a black man that, contrary to some peoples opinion, understands black plight in America. Being a successful black man in america and leader of the free world at the time, I think his opinion on things would matter. But I'll take the bait: how should a black man address black people about black problems? Given your profile name, I assume you're a black woman. Speak on it....

he shouldn't speak in a paternalistic and condescending tone

and not perpetuate negative stereotypes

hen i was little ...we had OGs that checked us constantly.

i was one of the ones they told couldnt be in a gang...i was too smart to be out in the street fighting.

at the times...guess how i felt, like them niggas was talking down on me.

now i thank them for looking out for me when i wasnt looking out for myself.

sometimes the message aint what you want to hear or when you want to hear it, but you should be thankful someone took the time to say it.

cuz if they didnt....go right ahead and fail...i dont care i got mine. those are the people you should be going at

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I don't see whats controversial or demeaning about what we wrote

Facts - he went to a private high school

Facts - his grandmother was a VP at a bank

Facts - his father went to Harvard

Facts - he inherited $500k

Facts - these are all different than the average black man his age

Facts - takes nothing away from him but these are the breaks

i really have a problem with the bolded.

was he the exception and not the rule?

but him wanting it to be the rule....he wrong?

you see how he cant win?

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

It seems like no one wants to have a mirror put to our collective problems. Everything in the black community is great, right?? At some point, we have to start looking at ourselves and saying how can we improve ourselves from within. Why is it that the first thing we say when blacks bring up things we've done is "well, u ain't saying this to whites". The fuck?? When have whites ever did anything to help us??

It's niggas on this site with multiple baby mommas, extensive criminal records, pimps, gang members, etc but genuinely ask what can another man (the president) do for them. How about u improve your situation for you and your immediate family? It's niggas that I grew up with that's still in the same condition they were in from high school. No one can give u drive. But it's these sensitive ass Drake generation that can't take criticism.

Niggas stay complaining about what Obama didn't do but they didn't go out and vote for democratic representatives to help put legislation through Congress. Y'all the same niggas that's gone ask why Westbrook can't win a championship this year with no real help lol. Y'all got it. I'm off my soap box. Catch feelings....

fact is at one point he had a problem with his messaging to the blk community

his tone was at times paternalistic and condescending.....different from when he spoke to other audiences

it matters and is problematic because it perpetuated the myth that blk ppl, blk culture does not value education same as non blks and is more morally bankrupt than other cultures, races

framing blks as deficient and pathological

given that he was the president of the united states and his words reach millions of ppl, it was problematic

So then we as a community need to be pacified?? He's a black man that, contrary to some peoples opinion, understands black plight in America. Being a successful black man in america and leader of the free world at the time, I think his opinion on things would matter. But I'll take the bait: how should a black man address black people about black problems? Given your profile name, I assume you're a black woman. Speak on it....

i refuse to be pacified.

i often bring this up....all this tough talk, beat a nigga ass...record a chick being beat up, shoot up the mall, i bust my guns...nigga wont punk me, im not a bitch talk....im from bedstuy the toughest of the tough hood and i walk around at 1am with a pocket full of money an no one will touch me because i got respect in these street....

where is all that shit?

you mean to tell me, a few words hurt? a few words about bettering your situation is offensive? not the niggas gunning for you cuz you wear red..not the latin kings or the tainos...but saying turn off the tv...that hurts and is offensive?

for you sensitive niggas.....this aint all black people.

feel better?

its not about hurt feelings

i'm concerned with pushing back against the narrative that the measurable disadvantages blk face are caused by something other than structural racism

so i rather we not arm ppl with malicious intent with the ammo to further frame blks as deficient and pathological

because fact is, we don't live in a vacuum, bubble....

 

[ghostdog56]

We scold because we love. If you don't give a shit you don't waste your breath.

this is simple yet the most powerful post in the history of the IC.

the perspective of the person receiving it will take it as looking down on them because their mindframe is fukked up.

if you know someone wants better for you...you will take it as encouragement

But couldn't people who are scolding Obama say they are scolding him because we love

Obama has been where they are...they have not been where he is.

he can say what it takes to get out

those people cant tell him how to do better.

Been where? He didn't come from the background of the type of people he is talking about

was he not in chicago?

do you have to struggle to know what it is to be a black man?

whats the difference between a black man from hawaii and a black man from chicago?

nothing

But how can a person speak on the conditions of someone struggling if they never struggled themselves?

Bruh, all struggle doesn't have to be financial. You're a black man, I assume. So u should know that. Money wouldn't change how you're perceived in America. C'mon bruh

The money will insulate you from a lot of their bullshit

you think so?

please tell me how.

cause from what a few on this site will say.....just cuz you have a few dollars you still a nigga.

now you telling me cuz i have a few dollars i aint a nigga?

which is it?

If you get unlawfully arrested won't you have money for lawyers and bail?

If they try to gentrify your neighborhood by raising property taxes won't you have the money to pay it?

If they are underfunding your kids school won't you be able to afford private?

If all that's in the community is junk food can't you afford to go to whole foods?

And I never said having a few dollars don't make you a nigga in their eyes I just said it will insulate you from some of their bullshit

 

[2stepz_ahead]

No one is questioning his blackness but we are saying the environment he was raised in was different. it afforded him opportunities the median African American (descendant of a slave) didn't have.

Lineage matters, while his grandmother was VP at a Hawaii bank, on the mainland where would the grandmother of a man his age be working?

How many black families that are descendants of slaves will inherit $500k from their grandmother which means he was getting broke off during his life, how many have the Harvard alum box checked off?

Michelle's story is more in line with the median African American family

bruh....maybe changing your enviroment or location will show you just how much opportunity is available.

if you at a job that aint going nowhere...maybe you should change jobs.

only you can help you be better.

an this aint about looking down on anyone...i am saying its a big world out there. money for everyone.

everywhere i have been i seen africans trying to go get it. fearless in the face of white people.

so when i see that, i know we can do it.

somalians and ethopian float here to europe on rafts and makeshift boats.

seeing that shit with my own eyes is some very humbling shit.

then i go back to philly and niggas dont even want to go into jobcorp a few towns over.

we are better than that. i know it and i can see it.

You can't change where you start but you can where you finish, however where you start can determine how fast or likely it is you will cross the line. I get it though, men gotta do better, sistas been carrying the burden for a while

and thats all we are saying...

we cant blackball a brother because he was born into money....

what matters is will he look over his shoulder to say come with me to get this or help in some sorta way.

alot of black men was born into money and fukked it up. would that make them black enough or the average black man at that point?

if you dream big and plan correctly and have a good work ethic,,,you can surpass a lazy nigga that was born into money. you can control your own destiny. dont worry about the handicap or who cheated. that shot wont change, but with the knowledge you have of the odds....you should be prepared to navigate it.

i personally think we need to stop associating how black someone is or they aint real because their background is different.

cuz at the end of the day....white people unite for a common cause....not allowing blacks to rise...but we still fighting thru that glass ceiling they put in place and that fact we or i want more of us coming thru the broken ceiling.....

bruh ..we can do this.

there are alot of battles to fight....someone saying pull up your pants aint one of them you should want to fight.