Pres Obama Announces Free Community College Plan (Two Free Years of CC for students)

[Meta_Conscious]

the issue is what is being taught. CC is hardly a good educational environment. whatever tho

so you telling me basically getting a extra two years of school for free is a bad thing? nigga do you even have a degree?

I have two from Universities. good luck with that community college bullshit.

 

[Mr.LV]

Obama is trying to make the new Republican control Congress look bad if they turn this down this is going to be funny how this plays out.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

"Lame duck President " is not what this President wants to be looked at when its all said done.Immigration reform, Cuba, and now this.

SMH.....anybody hyped about this is gullible as shit

much as I appreciate Obama attempting to make moves, this shit is def lacking

fans are so geeked to dick ride cuzzo that they don't even see how this another political move that fucks poorer black folks even more

I would rather he look towards improving these shitty public high schools with that money cause what benefit do we get out of basically creating a 13th and 14th grade

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

he fucking niggaz with these immigration policies, and now those of us who worked to get degrees and did our due diligence will be screwed next

but of course niggaz are so emotional that they won't even be willing to acknowledge that they are being played.....SMH @ political support always being based on emotion instead of critical thought

1) there a millions of black immigrants

2) no one told you to major in something that won't get you a job

3) yes its a political move, but its still a positive step forward

4) i don't see how this is bad for blacks, at all

your response just proves my point about how gullible sheep niggaz are haha

1) so what is your point about black immigrants, you saying it's cool to purposely inflate the labor pool

2) most of the cats with worthless degrees cause they chose the wrong major are the cats who need help the most...............but unfortunately this policy just devalues a college degree even more

3) this shit isn't a step forward, it's just a way to buy votes from naive voters

4) choosing to flood the labor market with more degrees doesn't help black folks at all...........this will especially hurt HBCUs as well

most HBCUs suck; idgaf about them

making two years of CC free is not "flooding the labor market with degrees"

and part of the reason HBCUs suck is because people no longer care about them..........they used to be significant institutions that helped create wealth in the black community..........but we'll continue to see what not giving a fuck gets us

making 60 credit hrs free will flood the labor market with degrees.....anytime you artificially lower the price of something there will be an increase in demand that leads to a surplus

and you think that's a good thing when you already have a surplus of mofos with degrees who already can't get jobs

but you all go head with supporting this shit cause it sounds good haha

do you think we should get rid of public schools then? since a HS diploma/GED is no longer valuable?

I'm not sure if I'm following your flawed logic

what I'm saying is that because a HS diploma has been devalued due to the shitty quality of public education today, most employers now want people with college degrees for jobs that used to be filled by HS grads

but what is happening is instead of improving HS education so that college isn't looked at as a requirement to get a decent job, mofos are just inflating the number of people going to college................which further increases tuition and increases a labor pool of college educated folks who can't get a job

all that does is screw people who rely on a college degree as a way out....the same people Obama is pretending to help.........meanwhile college administrators make even more from economic rent vs actually providing a real value

this whole push to send everybody to college is just a way to lock niggaz down with debt SMH

How is two years of cc going to give you debt? You sure you have a degree? A plan like this, applied correctly, will help people get jobs. You essentially want college to contine to be unaccesible to lower income americans because you are afraid of competition from people with AA degrees LOL

 

[Chef_Taylor]

Rotfl@13th grade...foh

 

[mosincredible]

I'm not sure some people in here understand stuff. This leads to more degrees floating around without actual increase in the value of said degrees which equals a devaluing of the degree. It's really that simple. It's the same concept as inflation. Blak gets it.

 

[(ob)Scene]

I'm not sure some people in here understand stuff. This leads to more degrees floating around without actual increase in the value of said degrees which equals a devaluing of the degree. It's really that simple. It's the same concept as inflation. Blak gets it.

Maybe if we killed this belief that the degree is what gets you the job then we wouldn't have that problem.

People could also try attaining degrees that are actually worth a shit. How often do you hear people with a B.S. or B.E. in Computers complaining about the market being oversaturated.

 

[atribecalledgabi]

I'm not sure some people in here understand stuff. This leads to more degrees floating around without actual increase in the value of said degrees which equals a devaluing of the degree. It's really that simple. It's the same concept as inflation. Blak gets it.

No....community colleges only get you an AA. Universities get you the bachelor's. If you leave the cc you still gotta transfer, pay more, and put in another 2+ years.

 

[Mr.LV]

Student loan debt is sitting at $1.2 Trillion dollars in the United States it has already surpassed credit car debt,the cost of college has skyrocketing 538% since 1985 faster than medical cost which sits at 238% increase since 1985. The numbers don't lie the system is broken.Its makes no fucking sense why college tuition is skyrocketing faster than gasoline and medical care cost its is not justifiable at all.

 

[mosincredible]

I'm not sure some people in here understand stuff. This leads to more degrees floating around without actual increase in the value of said degrees which equals a devaluing of the degree. It's really that simple. It's the same concept as inflation. Blak gets it.

Maybe if we killed this belief that the degree is what gets you the job then we wouldn't have that problem.

People could also try attaining degrees that are actually worth a shit. How often do you hear people with a B.S. or B.E. in Computers complaining about the market being oversaturated.

I'm not sure some people in here understand stuff. This leads to more degrees floating around without actual increase in the value of said degrees which equals a devaluing of the degree. It's really that simple. It's the same concept as inflation. Blak gets it.

No....community colleges only get you an AA. Universities get you the bachelor's. If you leave the cc you still gotta transfer, pay more, and put in another 2+ years.

But...neither one of you addressed the fact this makes getting a degree a little easier but doesn't actually increase the value of the degree. Thus what I said is still factual whether you agree with it or not.

 

[(ob)Scene]

I'm not sure some people in here understand stuff. This leads to more degrees floating around without actual increase in the value of said degrees which equals a devaluing of the degree. It's really that simple. It's the same concept as inflation. Blak gets it.

Maybe if we killed this belief that the degree is what gets you the job then we wouldn't have that problem.

People could also try attaining degrees that are actually worth a shit. How often do you hear people with a B.S. or B.E. in Computers complaining about the market being oversaturated.

I'm not sure some people in here understand stuff. This leads to more degrees floating around without actual increase in the value of said degrees which equals a devaluing of the degree. It's really that simple. It's the same concept as inflation. Blak gets it.

No....community colleges only get you an AA. Universities get you the bachelor's. If you leave the cc you still gotta transfer, pay more, and put in another 2+ years.

But...neither one of you addressed the fact this makes getting a degree a little easier but doesn't actually increase the value of the degree. Thus what I said is still factual whether you agree with it or not.

If your question is, "what does this do for the value of a degree," then yes I did answer that. The value of a degree is what the graduate makes of it. A degree's value does not come from possession as it is not currency.

You and I can have the same degree from the same institution. That isn't going to help either of us attain a position if a third party comes in and presents themselves as a better asset in an interview, networks with the right people and exhibits a better skill set. That's as true today as it was 10 years ago and will be 10 years from now.

 

[atribecalledgabi]

But...neither one of you addressed the fact this makes getting a degree a little easier but doesn't actually increase the value of the degree. Thus what I said is still factual whether you agree with it or not.

a degree is not any easier with this than it has been. cc's are already damn near free compared to uni's and have been a best kept secret among people wanting to cut costs for at least 2 decades now. You still have to go to university which isn't free and put in the work whether your first couple years were debt free or not. More people going to college doesn't devalue college bruh.

 

[spit_fiya]

Doesn't matter if Congress rejects it....the Power of Executive privilege baby!

 

[damobb2deep]

the issue is what is being taught. CC is hardly a good educational environment. whatever tho

so you telling me basically getting a extra two years of school for free is a bad thing? nigga do you even have a degree?

I have two from Universities. good luck with that community college bullshit.

if you have 2 degrees then you should know the importance of education... an associate degree is better than a high school education... you basically saying niggas shouldn't try... smh..

 

[Meta_Conscious]

the issue is what is being taught. CC is hardly a good educational environment. whatever tho

so you telling me basically getting a extra two years of school for free is a bad thing? nigga do you even have a degree?

I have two from Universities. good luck with that community college bullshit.

if you have 2 degrees then you should know the importance of education... an associate degree is better than a high school education... you basically saying niggas shouldn't try... smh..

Community college is trash.

It's a stepping stone, but the quality of the education is subpar.

U niggas hear free and think it's a miracle.

 

[semi-auto-mato]

the issue is what is being taught. CC is hardly a good educational environment. whatever tho

so you telling me basically getting a extra two years of school for free is a bad thing? nigga do you even have a degree?

I have two from Universities. good luck with that community college bullshit.

if you have 2 degrees then you should know the importance of education... an associate degree is better than a high school education... you basically saying niggas shouldn't try... smh..

Community college is trash.

It's a stepping stone, but the quality of the education is subpar.

U niggas hear free and think it's a miracle.

it is a stepping stone but two years free can be a big help to a family thats stuck in the middle. when i say stuck in the middle i mean they make too much for any decent amount of financial but dont really make enough to pay for 4 or 5 years of college. the child could then go to cc for two years transfer to a four year and cut the cost in half for their family.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

I would had saved so much money if this was done a while ago. This is great for people who wants to go to universities because they will probably be able to afford it now.

 

[blakfyahking]

"Lame duck President " is not what this President wants to be looked at when its all said done.Immigration reform, Cuba, and now this.

SMH.....anybody hyped about this is gullible as shit

much as I appreciate Obama attempting to make moves, this shit is def lacking

fans are so geeked to dick ride cuzzo that they don't even see how this another political move that fucks poorer black folks even more

I would rather he look towards improving these shitty public high schools with that money cause what benefit do we get out of basically creating a 13th and 14th grade

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

he fucking niggaz with these immigration policies, and now those of us who worked to get degrees and did our due diligence will be screwed next

but of course niggaz are so emotional that they won't even be willing to acknowledge that they are being played.....SMH @ political support always being based on emotion instead of critical thought

1) there a millions of black immigrants

2) no one told you to major in something that won't get you a job

3) yes its a political move, but its still a positive step forward

4) i don't see how this is bad for blacks, at all

your response just proves my point about how gullible sheep niggaz are haha

1) so what is your point about black immigrants, you saying it's cool to purposely inflate the labor pool

2) most of the cats with worthless degrees cause they chose the wrong major are the cats who need help the most...............but unfortunately this policy just devalues a college degree even more

3) this shit isn't a step forward, it's just a way to buy votes from naive voters

4) choosing to flood the labor market with more degrees doesn't help black folks at all...........this will especially hurt HBCUs as well

most HBCUs suck; idgaf about them

making two years of CC free is not "flooding the labor market with degrees"

and part of the reason HBCUs suck is because people no longer care about them..........they used to be significant institutions that helped create wealth in the black community..........but we'll continue to see what not giving a fuck gets us

making 60 credit hrs free will flood the labor market with degrees.....anytime you artificially lower the price of something there will be an increase in demand that leads to a surplus

and you think that's a good thing when you already have a surplus of mofos with degrees who already can't get jobs

but you all go head with supporting this shit cause it sounds good haha

do you think we should get rid of public schools then? since a HS diploma/GED is no longer valuable?

I'm not sure if I'm following your flawed logic

what I'm saying is that because a HS diploma has been devalued due to the shitty quality of public education today, most employers now want people with college degrees for jobs that used to be filled by HS grads

but what is happening is instead of improving HS education so that college isn't looked at as a requirement to get a decent job, mofos are just inflating the number of people going to college................which further increases tuition and increases a labor pool of college educated folks who can't get a job

all that does is screw people who rely on a college degree as a way out....the same people Obama is pretending to help.........meanwhile college administrators make even more from economic rent vs actually providing a real value

this whole push to send everybody to college is just a way to lock niggaz down with debt SMH

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

So you suggest loan forgiveness for those who have already completed college as opposed to what is essentially 2 year loan forgiveness for future college students. Sounds to me like the opposite side of a 2 headed coin. That's selfishness if I've ever seen it.

Your words exemplify Republican logic to a T. "It doesn't assist me directly so it's a bad thing that must be shot down."

The only thing devaluing college degrees in the US is the belief that the degree is what gets you the job. We have an American workforce full of graduates with unrefined skills that have very little more than a degree to offer. However, hirers also need to do a better job of evaluating prospects.

and the bolded just let's me know you aren't educated on this topic because you are just repeating typical political soundbites

SMH @ you thinking Democrats or Republicans give a fuck about the common person struggling

your logic is flawed...........you can't say the workforce is full of graduates without refined skills, but then you turn around and advocate flooding the market with more of the same people with degrees

you really think more cats going to CC is going to fix the problem? especially since most cats going to CC aren't really prepared for college coursework anyways? supporting this just leads to more people with degrees with even less skills

 

[blakfyahking]

"Lame duck President " is not what this President wants to be looked at when its all said done.Immigration reform, Cuba, and now this.

SMH.....anybody hyped about this is gullible as shit

much as I appreciate Obama attempting to make moves, this shit is def lacking

fans are so geeked to dick ride cuzzo that they don't even see how this another political move that fucks poorer black folks even more

I would rather he look towards improving these shitty public high schools with that money cause what benefit do we get out of basically creating a 13th and 14th grade

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

he fucking niggaz with these immigration policies, and now those of us who worked to get degrees and did our due diligence will be screwed next

but of course niggaz are so emotional that they won't even be willing to acknowledge that they are being played.....SMH @ political support always being based on emotion instead of critical thought

13th or 14th grade? That's some ignorant shit to say. Have you seen what CC can offer? Like I said before people can get training, certified, and employed in them two years. It's plenty of courses where it's more than just another year of math and reading home work.

But the bolded, though. Are you bringing up how you went through the ringer and now you're upset cause others won't have too? Cause that's what it looks like. If that's the case, you gotta let that jealousy go.

That's the price of times changing.

But you do make a good point bout them trying to get that money in other ways possibly. Jacking up tuition and other college shit people pay for. But students are gonna be in debt regardless if they gotta do something that requires more time. If this thing is on the up and up, at the least it'll shave what would be two years off they monthly payments.

And I don't see that huge a problem with people having degrees and no where to work. It mentioned in-demand jobs and if it's anything like the program I went through, only courses with a high demand for graduates will be approved. And it might go according to whats in demand for the region of each state. So not every course is going to get the same treatment. People will get jobs easier and even has assistance from companies that benefit from the bodies.

Come to think of it, it'll probably affect the blue collar level the most and the white collar level the least of the two.

at the bolded.......CC is 13th/14th grade if the person going there doesn't have the basics that they should've gotten from a HS education......that is the problem............if you are going there for trade school type work, it may be better to just go to a specialized trade school......or even better we should have an apprenticeship type program which would be even more efficient

for others using it to gain even higher education, most of the people going to CC are only going because of cost/lack of grades.........many state schools offer better support and students get a better education with the same cost because of economies of scale............that is why HBCUs are still relevant

encouraging free CC without loan forgiveness just sends more unprepared students thru higher education which further encourages more debt and time wasted, when that person would probably be better served by gaining work experience or by going to a specialized trade school instead

no one is saying CCs aren't valuable, the problem is that CCs shouldn't be used to compensate for the failures of our current K-12 system

cats forgets that most CCs teach the 1st 60 credits of a Bachelor's degree which is generally nothing more than common core classes that cats can already take at a university with more resources

as far as the underlined/bolded.............cats should be less skeptical of some stranger on the net talking common sense vs. their politicians that boldface lie and take your money from you haha

I already have a graduate degree, and I'm currently finishing a 2nd......plus I already have my own place of business haha..........so no, this doesn't really affect me personally

but it does affect my people out there still struggling to come up........SMH @ me for actually giving a fuck by actually wanting folks to get the help they actually need

 

[semi-auto-mato]

"Lame duck President " is not what this President wants to be looked at when its all said done.Immigration reform, Cuba, and now this.

SMH.....anybody hyped about this is gullible as shit

much as I appreciate Obama attempting to make moves, this shit is def lacking

fans are so geeked to dick ride cuzzo that they don't even see how this another political move that fucks poorer black folks even more

I would rather he look towards improving these shitty public high schools with that money cause what benefit do we get out of basically creating a 13th and 14th grade

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

he fucking niggaz with these immigration policies, and now those of us who worked to get degrees and did our due diligence will be screwed next

but of course niggaz are so emotional that they won't even be willing to acknowledge that they are being played.....SMH @ political support always being based on emotion instead of critical thought

1) there a millions of black immigrants

2) no one told you to major in something that won't get you a job

3) yes its a political move, but its still a positive step forward

4) i don't see how this is bad for blacks, at all

your response just proves my point about how gullible sheep niggaz are haha

1) so what is your point about black immigrants, you saying it's cool to purposely inflate the labor pool

2) most of the cats with worthless degrees cause they chose the wrong major are the cats who need help the most...............but unfortunately this policy just devalues a college degree even more

3) this shit isn't a step forward, it's just a way to buy votes from naive voters

4) choosing to flood the labor market with more degrees doesn't help black folks at all...........this will especially hurt HBCUs as well

most HBCUs suck; idgaf about them

making two years of CC free is not "flooding the labor market with degrees"

and part of the reason HBCUs suck is because people no longer care about them..........they used to be significant institutions that helped create wealth in the black community..........but we'll continue to see what not giving a fuck gets us

making 60 credit hrs free will flood the labor market with degrees.....anytime you artificially lower the price of something there will be an increase in demand that leads to a surplus

and you think that's a good thing when you already have a surplus of mofos with degrees who already can't get jobs

but you all go head with supporting this shit cause it sounds good haha

do you think we should get rid of public schools then? since a HS diploma/GED is no longer valuable?

I'm not sure if I'm following your flawed logic

what I'm saying is that because a HS diploma has been devalued due to the shitty quality of public education today, most employers now want people with college degrees for jobs that used to be filled by HS grads

but what is happening is instead of improving HS education so that college isn't looked at as a requirement to get a decent job, mofos are just inflating the number of people going to college................which further increases tuition and increases a labor pool of college educated folks who can't get a job

all that does is screw people who rely on a college degree as a way out....the same people Obama is pretending to help.........meanwhile college administrators make even more from economic rent vs actually providing a real value

this whole push to send everybody to college is just a way to lock niggaz down with debt SMH

or he could do loan forgiveness for the people with degrees that can't still get jobs......the govt should pass a law that colleges have to pay that Fed money back since they obviously took advantage of the student with the worthless degree

So you suggest loan forgiveness for those who have already completed college as opposed to what is essentially 2 year loan forgiveness for future college students. Sounds to me like the opposite side of a 2 headed coin. That's selfishness if I've ever seen it.

Your words exemplify Republican logic to a T. "It doesn't assist me directly so it's a bad thing that must be shot down."

The only thing devaluing college degrees in the US is the belief that the degree is what gets you the job. We have an American workforce full of graduates with unrefined skills that have very little more than a degree to offer. However, hirers also need to do a better job of evaluating prospects.

and the bolded just let's me know you aren't educated on this topic because you are just repeating typical political soundbites

SMH @ you thinking Democrats or Republicans give a fuck about the common person struggling

your logic is flawed...........you can't say the workforce is full of graduates without refined skills, but then you turn around and advocate flooding the market with more of the same people with degrees

you really think more cats going to CC is going to fix the problem? especially since most cats going to CC aren't really prepared for college coursework anyways? supporting this just leads to more people with degrees with even less skills

that was true years ago...many people would go to community college because they couldnt get into a 4 year school but its not true today. many kids right out of high school go to community college because its cheaper and many states have things in place that allow them to transfer all their credits to a state school.

 

[DarcSkies]

1. Most people go to 2 year colleges first because 4 year colleges are so expensive. This would decrease demand for 4-year Universities dropping the costs for those who are already there which means less student debt and more money into the economy.

2. It will also mean more people in scientific fields. Science degrees are harder to get and require more class & lab time to complete which may be part of the reason many poor kids don't go into those fields. BUT...if they're free the only excuse for not going into the scientific field is you're not smart enough or didn't want to.

Imagine how many brilliant physicists & biologists there never were because their parents were too poor for college but too rich for FASFA/Grant Money?

3. More qualified and educated people into a growing technological nation is never a bad thing.

4. Better jobs generally equates to bigger paychecks which means more money for taxes which means more money for the treasury which means less crime, more tax breaks, etc...

...of course this shit aint ever gonna happen but those 4 things off the top of my head are very exciting to think about.