Pres Obama Announces Free Community College Plan (Two Free Years of CC for students)

[StillFaggyAF]

Alot of hbcus arent even predominantly black and are failing

Idgaf about HBCUs. Be mad

 

[blakfyahking]

You can question my knowledge of the topic all you want but I was making a direct comparison to the republican position on the Affordable Care Act. You have a bunch of people that already have health care so their selfishness and privilege renders them incapable of seeing the need for government sponsored health insurance. These are the same people that created a faux IRS scandal so that they could in turn cut the IRS budget, resulting in less resources for the agency to investigate tax evasion crimes on both personal and business/corporate accounts. It's all a part of the game.

Yes, you may have more people with degrees but like I said previously the issue is the way that we view college in America. People see a college degree as a golden ticket towards getting a job when that there is flawed logic. People wouldn't have an issue with "more" degrees being on the market if they stopped to realize that these applications they speak of note a degree as a "MINIMUM" requirement. Your resumé doesn't stop at your degree so I find no issue with affording more citizens an opportunity to attain one.

Besides, the nations that offer college free all the way through don't have many of the issues you say this is going to create. All we're doing is giving more people a chance to meet the minimum. It's their prerogative whether or not they take advantage of the opportunity.

I do however find it deeply troubling that you find holding a handful of Americans back as a better option. B/c that's what this is when you get to the root of it. If you're against giving people a chance to advance then you are advocating holding them back.

bruh I question your knowledge because everything you mentioned at the bolded is an irrelevant strawman in regards to this topic........those comparisons are not relevant so the whole Repub/Demo labeling isn't useful

you are quick to categorize people by superficial labels because obviously your complete knowledge of political issues is based on media fed hype............which is why you are quick to focus on something as Republican or Democrat when the reality is that both sides don't have your best interest at heart

what I'm saying is simply stop being a sheep and think for yourself..........you want to debate those other topics than start a different thread champ

at the underlined, ironically you are accusing me of wanting to hold someone back, when you are quick to advocate giving away someone else's money so that more people can be encouraged to take on debt........that situation sets everyone back SMH

you also haven't considered that other nations also don't allow the same class mobility as much as the US.........so it doesn't make sense to use other countries as a comparison

plus it makes sense to consider loan forgiveness for those already with degrees because their debt is what is actually causing the drag on the economy which affects everybody............so how does it makes sense to make something free while still allowing those in debt to still suffer? especially if the thing they are making free may actually encourage more people to take on debt to finish their education?

CC is already cheap, so if you are already struggling to pay for it you are a prime candidate that will most likely need loans later........it's sad that you don't even see how you advocating adding to the problem bruh

that holds more people back than what I'm suggesting..........but I guess there is no sense in trying to help someone who chooses to be helpless

 

[blakfyahking]

1. Most people go to 2 year colleges first because 4 year colleges are so expensive. This would decrease demand for 4-year Universities dropping the costs for those who are already there which means less student debt and more money into the economy.

2. It will also mean more people in scientific fields. Science degrees are harder to get and require more class & lab time to complete which may be part of the reason many poor kids don't go into those fields. BUT...if they're free the only excuse for not going into the scientific field is you're not smart enough or didn't want to.

Imagine how many brilliant physicists & biologists there never were because their parents were too poor for college but too rich for FASFA/Grant Money?

3. More qualified and educated people into a growing technological nation is never a bad thing.

4. Better jobs generally equates to bigger paychecks which means more money for taxes which means more money for the treasury which means less crime, more tax breaks, etc...

...of course this shit aint ever gonna happen but those 4 things off the top of my head are very exciting to think about.

1) most CCs are supported by the university system in their own state. the state university system is not going to gut the pricing of their 4yr schools just to support their 2yr schools..........case in point, branding and prestige play a large portion in tuition rates, which is why private schools get away with them bullshit crazy prices............state schools do the same at a lower level using prestige.

How? for example many employers judge you on your GPA and you degree honors.............well many 4yr universities don't award honors to students that haven't done more than 60 - 75 credits at their schools..........so if you did 60 cred at a CC then transfer, and the Bachelors is a total of 120cred.....you do the math........you got screwed even though you may have met all the other reqs to get the award of summa,magna, etc...............I personally had this happen to a friend of mine who had a 3.8GPA SMH

that's just one example

2) there are many specific scholarships that are not income based that specifically help recruit people into STEM..........hell one of them is the Ronald McNair scholarship(which is offered at those same HBCUs nobody gives a fuck about haha)........there are many others, so cost really isn't a barrier

3) agreed

4) not necessarily, because someone still has to create those better jobs..........we need to educate more people to be bosses instead of training everyone to be workers

1. College are mostly paid by tax dollars right? I always thought it was tax money and for private schools it was alumni money and grants, etc. And most people aren't going to Ivy League colleges & HBU anyway.

If more people elect to go to JC's first then how does it not lower the price? It's all about putting asses in seats. If less asses are in seats the prices have to go down no?

2. You may be right but Im talking about regular ass Marcus C. Negro who is smart but not really thinking about science field because the English major only needs this many units and he's not trying to be in school forever and be in that much debt.

Chances are if you've wanted to be a marine biologist all your life you willing to deal with it. Im just saying it'll give more people a reason to think it can happen for them.

3 & 4. Lets be honest. Most people justa rent bosses. Most people are followers and worker bees. No sense in trying to change nature

1) JCs/CCs and 4yr schools receiving tax dollars coordinate their curricula so that that they don't compete against each other........if they didn't, then either JCs/CCs wouldn't exist, or 4yr schools wouldn't even bother offering common core classes..........everyone would just be expected to go to JC/CC then a 4yr if that was the case

an example of this is how many 4yr schools do 2+2 degrees which benefits both the JC/CC and the 4yr school.........however honors will still play a factor as I mentioned before

and as long as federal dollars are injected into the system colleges will never have an incentive to lower their tuition...........because the demand for college is being pushed by politicians/college administrators, and colleges will use their higher price point as a way to signal exclusivity to potential students...........same way a luxury item is priced high so people will assume quality, people already accept the same scenario for college tuition

the end result is more at-risk students are encouraged to go to college at both CCs and 4yr schools and more of them will end up in debt

this is why politicians are interested in making shit free on the front end, but still not allowing cats to get rid of Sallie Mae on the back end........it's basically luring people people to be trapped in debt

2) the best thing for a smart cat in that example, is exposure to the higher levels of education in a STEM field..........most CCs can't offer STEM students the same resources 4yrs schools can..........hell a lot of times they don't even have comparable professors..........besides that interest in STEM should be cultivated in HS anyways before that student is even encouraged to waste valuable time trying to figure out what he wants to do......that's why I say we'd be better off investing in HS education

3&4) I both agree and disagree - a lot of people are followers, but I also believe that an "average" education system trains people to be average...........ever notice that the poorer the school system and fewer resources, the less likely that a highly successful person comes from there? it's no coincidence that the best schools generally create the most successful people............a lot of that is because many folks in those schools come from a circle that trains them differently than the average folks

 

[(ob)Scene]

You can question my knowledge of the topic all you want but I was making a direct comparison to the republican position on the Affordable Care Act. You have a bunch of people that already have health care so their selfishness and privilege renders them incapable of seeing the need for government sponsored health insurance. These are the same people that created a faux IRS scandal so that they could in turn cut the IRS budget, resulting in less resources for the agency to investigate tax evasion crimes on both personal and business/corporate accounts. It's all a part of the game.

Yes, you may have more people with degrees but like I said previously the issue is the way that we view college in America. People see a college degree as a golden ticket towards getting a job when that there is flawed logic. People wouldn't have an issue with "more" degrees being on the market if they stopped to realize that these applications they speak of note a degree as a "MINIMUM" requirement. Your resumé doesn't stop at your degree so I find no issue with affording more citizens an opportunity to attain one.

Besides, the nations that offer college free all the way through don't have many of the issues you say this is going to create. All we're doing is giving more people a chance to meet the minimum. It's their prerogative whether or not they take advantage of the opportunity.

I do however find it deeply troubling that you find holding a handful of Americans back as a better option. B/c that's what this is when you get to the root of it. If you're against giving people a chance to advance then you are advocating holding them back.

bruh I question your knowledge because everything you mentioned at the bolded is an irrelevant strawman in regards to this topic........those comparisons are not relevant so the whole Repub/Demo labeling isn't useful

you are quick to categorize people by superficial labels because obviously your complete knowledge of political issues is based on media fed hype............which is why you are quick to focus on something as Republican or Democrat when the reality is that both sides don't have your best interest at heart

what I'm saying is simply stop being a sheep and think for yourself..........you want to debate those other topics than start a different thread champ

at the underlined, ironically you are accusing me of wanting to hold someone back, when you are quick to advocate giving away someone else's money so that more people can be encouraged to take on debt........that situation sets everyone back SMH

you also haven't considered that other nations also don't allow the same class mobility as much as the US.........so it doesn't make sense to use other countries as a comparison

plus it makes sense to consider loan forgiveness for those already with degrees because their debt is what is actually causing the drag on the economy which affects everybody............so how does it makes sense to make something free while still allowing those in debt to still suffer? especially if the thing they are making free may actually encourage more people to take on debt to finish their education?

CC is already cheap, so if you are already struggling to pay for it you are a prime candidate that will most likely need loans later........it's sad that you don't even see how you advocating adding to the problem bruh

that holds more people back than what I'm suggesting..........but I guess there is no sense in trying to help someone who chooses to be helpless

You've lost me because all I said was that those words exemplify republican logic to a T. I didn't inform you of which party I favor, if I even favor either party at all. You aren't "schooling" me to any great unknown by telling me neither party has my interest at heart so I can be spared the condescending tone as if my posts didn't contain plenty of substance beyond a side comment about the republican ideology that did nothing to take away from my overarching point.

If you forgive the student loans already on the books that does nothing to fix the underlying problem with the American education system. All it does is deflate the current bubble. It does nothing to prevent the bubble from inflating and bursting again.

This proposal if done correctly in essence goes a long way towards stopping that student loan bubble from inflating any further. Allowing it to fiddle away until it is no longer existent. If at some point in the future the government decides to forgive the current loans that would be great as well but I see this as an important first step.