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SolemnSauce;c-9723122 said:But you thinking I was gonna go there proves a point, actually...
Maywood;c-9723128 said:SolemnSauce;c-9723122 said:But you thinking I was gonna go there proves a point, actually...
We're done here
R.D.;c-9723109 said:blackrain;c-9723090 said:R.D.;c-9723029 said:Ajackson17;c-9722981 said:BOSSExcellence;c-9722915 said:Ajackson17;c-9722906 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722686 said:Ajackson17;c-9722638 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722602 said:Ajackson17;c-9722590 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722585 said:Ajackson17;c-9722573 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722567 said:Ajackson17;c-9722557 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722535 said:Ajackson17;c-9722516 said:The crab natural habitat is not a bucket. Then America is not our natural habitat but an artificial environment meant to capture us and detain us while we develop Stockholm Syndrome. Ecology and psychology is vital in understanding why black Americans aren't doing so hot in America and history as well.
imma stop you there.
black Americans are doing very well considering the circumstances an history.
the problem is not enough are doing well.
we have the ability to take over an sweep this country from under cacs. not saying this will be easy at all. we must believe in ourselves more.
Most black people don't know how to do well and that is an issue. We are doing good, but as you said not good enough. We are still swimming in a artificial environment that was not made for us. Most people aren't going to rise as fast as others. It's a process and a very slow one. We are only 50 years removed from Jim Crow and 150 years removed from slavery and if you study history we are moving quite fast. Europe didn't rise until about a 1000 years after the fall of Rome start moving at a fast pace. In 200 or 300 year we'll be way ahead of the game.
so you said all that to agree with me....lol
but some want to do better and some don't....I think it leans too far in the wrong direction.
just my opinion
Nah, you're acting like it should happen much more quickly and rapidly, but the psychological traumas are here and still here and we are slowly assimilating with them at a much quicker rate than actually progressing as a unit.
see...this is where people usually get me confused...
I work at high levels with white people. this is...they dumb ass hell.
on the flip side, I am from the hood. slit of people there are smart as fukk.
the difference is one person us not convinced they are smart enough and the other wants you to prove they are not smart enough.
we gotta stop with this conditioning shit.
we do that to each other.
that type thinking comes from aint shit parents. passing aint shit ideas down.
kids pick up on shit an take it to heart.
we have obstacles, yes. but that doesn't mean success is out of reach.
he's a sell out
he's a cornball
he talks white
he acts white
he wanted to live around white people
he wants that white education
ask any black male who is doing the damn thing and I am sure he has heard one of them at some point.
crazy because successful black women dint get the same type heat or need to prove their blackness.
cmon man...I live what your trying to get at.
Do you know how psychological roots take to fix? Most people globally do not defeat inner childhood trauma, it's usually irreversible without high level of psychological treatment, it's your bodies reaction from being wiped out, self preservation which could also lead to a species downfall. Best thing to do is to promote healthy psychological treatment in order to bring people out of their darkness.
i hear what you trying to say....I just don't agree to an extent.
I personally think the wrong thing is pushed to our black kids.
but it's crazy because the not wanting to try can be turned on and off.
hear me out.
niggas will go relentlessly after a phat ass, nudes, taking a niggas chick.
but that same effort is not present when told to step up to better their self.....please dint take this as all black people...just a small example.
but anyway....it is controllable... care to dispute this
@Ajackson17
It is controllable definitely, but you to combat this you'll need to understand psychologists and there are plenty of black psychologists working on this as we speak. Then you'll need your historians, then you'll need your business men as such as yourself and other fields of expertise to combat this and work as a conglomerate. It'll take a lot of thinking and resources and working to completely attack this, but we need something beyond the NCAAP and other black organizations that are specifically for black people.
or have more positive black american males around.
a positive man can make a world of difference in a child's life.
Positive black men and women. You need both, but we have to define what's positive and what's negative as well. That's when we get in what I always say we need to define our culture that is from New York to Los Angeles, everything else is sub-culture, but the main culture needs to be defined what we value as positive and what we value as negative. A black man with a degree, his own house, good job, clean, church goer but could be very misogynistic and against our African roots. In a way he could be very damaging in a lot of other ways as well. We have to think very critically.
THATS the problem wit "black culture" right there..
moreso then "misogynistic and against our African roots."
but yall aint tryin to hear me tho..
They are rooted in the same. But misogyny is a huge problem and just up there with the church. That's discrimination on black women and there are more of them than us. And they are the biggest organizers of police brutality. So that could just be as harmful as the church can be in especially to black men's favor.
I disagree
Misogyny is bullshit
Women have so much power and no clue how to collectively leverage it
Black men ain't misogynistic. Ain't even in our DNA. When we were kings, there were equal Queens who held their own kingdoms
Black men are on the defensive cause we getting it from all angles. There is no us vs. them battle going on but people keep trying to speak it into existence.
Misogyny is some gay shit so you know where it came from. @zzombie
There's no logical way you can observe the world and say mysogony is bullshit.
Nigga your logic ain't mine
Misogyny is to hate women, hold prejudice against
Show me how that's a problem in the black community
We don't hold power to be prejudice. How we the most loving, accepting, open, yet misogynistic
NoCompetition;c-9723168 said:But to say "black people cant be successful" in and of itself is a non truth.
2stepz_ahead;c-9722368 said:maybe you niggas should here it from a non athlete...
what he is saying is true..
blacks hold other blacks back.
yea yea yea...white people, racism, slavery....all had a part. not disputing that.
but thats obvious and takes the heat off of black people that don't really want to go above an beyond. there are very few that understand this topic and where he's coming from.
I am one of them.
i had more black people try to tear me down than white people...shit still kinda has me heated.
but I still try to reach back. an more times than not, I'm told I'm not street enough or whatever dumb shit.
hell even on this site...there is evidence of it.
i have always said...a successful American black man is usually a very unique, lonely and most challenged individual on this planet. anbthat goes double if you not into clubbin and fukkery.
blackrain;c-9723177 said:R.D.;c-9723109 said:blackrain;c-9723090 said:R.D.;c-9723029 said:Ajackson17;c-9722981 said:BOSSExcellence;c-9722915 said:Ajackson17;c-9722906 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722686 said:Ajackson17;c-9722638 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722602 said:Ajackson17;c-9722590 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722585 said:Ajackson17;c-9722573 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722567 said:Ajackson17;c-9722557 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722535 said:Ajackson17;c-9722516 said:The crab natural habitat is not a bucket. Then America is not our natural habitat but an artificial environment meant to capture us and detain us while we develop Stockholm Syndrome. Ecology and psychology is vital in understanding why black Americans aren't doing so hot in America and history as well.
imma stop you there.
black Americans are doing very well considering the circumstances an history.
the problem is not enough are doing well.
we have the ability to take over an sweep this country from under cacs. not saying this will be easy at all. we must believe in ourselves more.
Most black people don't know how to do well and that is an issue. We are doing good, but as you said not good enough. We are still swimming in a artificial environment that was not made for us. Most people aren't going to rise as fast as others. It's a process and a very slow one. We are only 50 years removed from Jim Crow and 150 years removed from slavery and if you study history we are moving quite fast. Europe didn't rise until about a 1000 years after the fall of Rome start moving at a fast pace. In 200 or 300 year we'll be way ahead of the game.
so you said all that to agree with me....lol
but some want to do better and some don't....I think it leans too far in the wrong direction.
just my opinion
Nah, you're acting like it should happen much more quickly and rapidly, but the psychological traumas are here and still here and we are slowly assimilating with them at a much quicker rate than actually progressing as a unit.
see...this is where people usually get me confused...
I work at high levels with white people. this is...they dumb ass hell.
on the flip side, I am from the hood. slit of people there are smart as fukk.
the difference is one person us not convinced they are smart enough and the other wants you to prove they are not smart enough.
we gotta stop with this conditioning shit.
we do that to each other.
that type thinking comes from aint shit parents. passing aint shit ideas down.
kids pick up on shit an take it to heart.
we have obstacles, yes. but that doesn't mean success is out of reach.
he's a sell out
he's a cornball
he talks white
he acts white
he wanted to live around white people
he wants that white education
ask any black male who is doing the damn thing and I am sure he has heard one of them at some point.
crazy because successful black women dint get the same type heat or need to prove their blackness.
cmon man...I live what your trying to get at.
Do you know how psychological roots take to fix? Most people globally do not defeat inner childhood trauma, it's usually irreversible without high level of psychological treatment, it's your bodies reaction from being wiped out, self preservation which could also lead to a species downfall. Best thing to do is to promote healthy psychological treatment in order to bring people out of their darkness.
i hear what you trying to say....I just don't agree to an extent.
I personally think the wrong thing is pushed to our black kids.
but it's crazy because the not wanting to try can be turned on and off.
hear me out.
niggas will go relentlessly after a phat ass, nudes, taking a niggas chick.
but that same effort is not present when told to step up to better their self.....please dint take this as all black people...just a small example.
but anyway....it is controllable... care to dispute this
@Ajackson17
It is controllable definitely, but you to combat this you'll need to understand psychologists and there are plenty of black psychologists working on this as we speak. Then you'll need your historians, then you'll need your business men as such as yourself and other fields of expertise to combat this and work as a conglomerate. It'll take a lot of thinking and resources and working to completely attack this, but we need something beyond the NCAAP and other black organizations that are specifically for black people.
or have more positive black american males around.
a positive man can make a world of difference in a child's life.
Positive black men and women. You need both, but we have to define what's positive and what's negative as well. That's when we get in what I always say we need to define our culture that is from New York to Los Angeles, everything else is sub-culture, but the main culture needs to be defined what we value as positive and what we value as negative. A black man with a degree, his own house, good job, clean, church goer but could be very misogynistic and against our African roots. In a way he could be very damaging in a lot of other ways as well. We have to think very critically.
THATS the problem wit "black culture" right there..
moreso then "misogynistic and against our African roots."
but yall aint tryin to hear me tho..
They are rooted in the same. But misogyny is a huge problem and just up there with the church. That's discrimination on black women and there are more of them than us. And they are the biggest organizers of police brutality. So that could just be as harmful as the church can be in especially to black men's favor.
I disagree
Misogyny is bullshit
Women have so much power and no clue how to collectively leverage it
Black men ain't misogynistic. Ain't even in our DNA. When we were kings, there were equal Queens who held their own kingdoms
Black men are on the defensive cause we getting it from all angles. There is no us vs. them battle going on but people keep trying to speak it into existence.
Misogyny is some gay shit so you know where it came from. @zzombie
There's no logical way you can observe the world and say mysogony is bullshit.
Nigga your logic ain't mine
Misogyny is to hate women, hold prejudice against
Show me how that's a problem in the black community
We don't hold power to be prejudice. How we the most loving, accepting, open, yet misogynistic
Bruh no matter what culture you're in men are above women on the totem pole. Men do have power over women...and there are many men who think women are inherently beneath them. Go look at some of the shit hotep niggas post on the internet. To them a woman is good for nothing other than fucking and making a baby.
konceptjones;c-9723221 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722368 said:maybe you niggas should here it from a non athlete...
what he is saying is true..
blacks hold other blacks back.
yea yea yea...white people, racism, slavery....all had a part. not disputing that.
but thats obvious and takes the heat off of black people that don't really want to go above an beyond. there are very few that understand this topic and where he's coming from.
I am one of them.
i had more black people try to tear me down than white people...shit still kinda has me heated.
but I still try to reach back. an more times than not, I'm told I'm not street enough or whatever dumb shit.
hell even on this site...there is evidence of it.
i have always said...a successful American black man is usually a very unique, lonely and most challenged individual on this planet. anbthat goes double if you not into clubbin and fukkery.
I've said similar here in the past. The whole "not being Black enough" shit is partially why I was out on the block back inna day:
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/546890/tell-a-story-that-ends-with/p3
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/comment/5976832#Comment_5976832
I felt I needed a lil street cred and when the opportunity presented itself I went with it despite being a college student with a decent, respected full time job, and coming from a middle class family. One of the dumbest decisions of my life (damned sure ain't the only one considering the number of times I've been in a courtroom for some stupid shit).
Being into computers and electronics didn't lend itself well to coming up in Tha D. I've had kids and adults clown me for being into that kind of shit so heavy growing up. I tried to teach a lot of 'em or otherwise expose them to what I was into and the only cat that ever did get into it was one of the cats I met in college from Southfield and he's still working in it (same dude from the drunken hoodrat orgy I posted about last year).
I still try to get more Black folks into STEM fields as often as I can. What has helped me in the past was bringing it up through music production 'cause cats can relate to it. When questioned on how I'm able to buy equipment I just tell 'em I work in IT and engineering and it kicks off a whole convo about how you get into it, how much you make starting out, etc.
Can't reach everyone, but if I can get to a few I'm happy.
R.D.;c-9723109 said:blackrain;c-9723090 said:R.D.;c-9723029 said:Ajackson17;c-9722981 said:BOSSExcellence;c-9722915 said:Ajackson17;c-9722906 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722686 said:Ajackson17;c-9722638 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722602 said:Ajackson17;c-9722590 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722585 said:Ajackson17;c-9722573 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722567 said:Ajackson17;c-9722557 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722535 said:Ajackson17;c-9722516 said:The crab natural habitat is not a bucket. Then America is not our natural habitat but an artificial environment meant to capture us and detain us while we develop Stockholm Syndrome. Ecology and psychology is vital in understanding why black Americans aren't doing so hot in America and history as well.
imma stop you there.
black Americans are doing very well considering the circumstances an history.
the problem is not enough are doing well.
we have the ability to take over an sweep this country from under cacs. not saying this will be easy at all. we must believe in ourselves more.
Most black people don't know how to do well and that is an issue. We are doing good, but as you said not good enough. We are still swimming in a artificial environment that was not made for us. Most people aren't going to rise as fast as others. It's a process and a very slow one. We are only 50 years removed from Jim Crow and 150 years removed from slavery and if you study history we are moving quite fast. Europe didn't rise until about a 1000 years after the fall of Rome start moving at a fast pace. In 200 or 300 year we'll be way ahead of the game.
so you said all that to agree with me....lol
but some want to do better and some don't....I think it leans too far in the wrong direction.
just my opinion
Nah, you're acting like it should happen much more quickly and rapidly, but the psychological traumas are here and still here and we are slowly assimilating with them at a much quicker rate than actually progressing as a unit.
see...this is where people usually get me confused...
I work at high levels with white people. this is...they dumb ass hell.
on the flip side, I am from the hood. slit of people there are smart as fukk.
the difference is one person us not convinced they are smart enough and the other wants you to prove they are not smart enough.
we gotta stop with this conditioning shit.
we do that to each other.
that type thinking comes from aint shit parents. passing aint shit ideas down.
kids pick up on shit an take it to heart.
we have obstacles, yes. but that doesn't mean success is out of reach.
he's a sell out
he's a cornball
he talks white
he acts white
he wanted to live around white people
he wants that white education
ask any black male who is doing the damn thing and I am sure he has heard one of them at some point.
crazy because successful black women dint get the same type heat or need to prove their blackness.
cmon man...I live what your trying to get at.
Do you know how psychological roots take to fix? Most people globally do not defeat inner childhood trauma, it's usually irreversible without high level of psychological treatment, it's your bodies reaction from being wiped out, self preservation which could also lead to a species downfall. Best thing to do is to promote healthy psychological treatment in order to bring people out of their darkness.
i hear what you trying to say....I just don't agree to an extent.
I personally think the wrong thing is pushed to our black kids.
but it's crazy because the not wanting to try can be turned on and off.
hear me out.
niggas will go relentlessly after a phat ass, nudes, taking a niggas chick.
but that same effort is not present when told to step up to better their self.....please dint take this as all black people...just a small example.
but anyway....it is controllable... care to dispute this
@Ajackson17
It is controllable definitely, but you to combat this you'll need to understand psychologists and there are plenty of black psychologists working on this as we speak. Then you'll need your historians, then you'll need your business men as such as yourself and other fields of expertise to combat this and work as a conglomerate. It'll take a lot of thinking and resources and working to completely attack this, but we need something beyond the NCAAP and other black organizations that are specifically for black people.
or have more positive black american males around.
a positive man can make a world of difference in a child's life.
Positive black men and women. You need both, but we have to define what's positive and what's negative as well. That's when we get in what I always say we need to define our culture that is from New York to Los Angeles, everything else is sub-culture, but the main culture needs to be defined what we value as positive and what we value as negative. A black man with a degree, his own house, good job, clean, church goer but could be very misogynistic and against our African roots. In a way he could be very damaging in a lot of other ways as well. We have to think very critically.
THATS the problem wit "black culture" right there..
moreso then "misogynistic and against our African roots."
but yall aint tryin to hear me tho..
They are rooted in the same. But misogyny is a huge problem and just up there with the church. That's discrimination on black women and there are more of them than us. And they are the biggest organizers of police brutality. So that could just be as harmful as the church can be in especially to black men's favor.
I disagree
Misogyny is bullshit
Women have so much power and no clue how to collectively leverage it
Black men ain't misogynistic. Ain't even in our DNA. When we were kings, there were equal Queens who held their own kingdoms
Black men are on the defensive cause we getting it from all angles. There is no us vs. them battle going on but people keep trying to speak it into existence.
Misogyny is some gay shit so you know where it came from. @zzombie
There's no logical way you can observe the world and say mysogony is bullshit.
Nigga your logic ain't mine
Misogyny is to hate women, hold prejudice against
Show me how that's a problem in the black community
We don't hold power to be prejudice. How we the most loving, accepting, open, yet misogynistic
Built 4 cuban linx;c-9723078 said:Alot of those white people on twitter agreeing with dez look like some racist hillbilly muthafuckas
DoUwant2go2Heaven;c-9723243 said:Ain't nobody holding me back. And when I was held back it was because of my sin and the devil.
Give your life to Yeshua Ha Mashiach and be set free.
Miss me with the excuses.
Amen.
R.D.;c-9723224 said:blackrain;c-9723177 said:R.D.;c-9723109 said:blackrain;c-9723090 said:R.D.;c-9723029 said:Ajackson17;c-9722981 said:BOSSExcellence;c-9722915 said:Ajackson17;c-9722906 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722686 said:Ajackson17;c-9722638 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722602 said:Ajackson17;c-9722590 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722585 said:Ajackson17;c-9722573 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722567 said:Ajackson17;c-9722557 said:2stepz_ahead;c-9722535 said:Ajackson17;c-9722516 said:The crab natural habitat is not a bucket. Then America is not our natural habitat but an artificial environment meant to capture us and detain us while we develop Stockholm Syndrome. Ecology and psychology is vital in understanding why black Americans aren't doing so hot in America and history as well.
imma stop you there.
black Americans are doing very well considering the circumstances an history.
the problem is not enough are doing well.
we have the ability to take over an sweep this country from under cacs. not saying this will be easy at all. we must believe in ourselves more.
Most black people don't know how to do well and that is an issue. We are doing good, but as you said not good enough. We are still swimming in a artificial environment that was not made for us. Most people aren't going to rise as fast as others. It's a process and a very slow one. We are only 50 years removed from Jim Crow and 150 years removed from slavery and if you study history we are moving quite fast. Europe didn't rise until about a 1000 years after the fall of Rome start moving at a fast pace. In 200 or 300 year we'll be way ahead of the game.
so you said all that to agree with me....lol
but some want to do better and some don't....I think it leans too far in the wrong direction.
just my opinion
Nah, you're acting like it should happen much more quickly and rapidly, but the psychological traumas are here and still here and we are slowly assimilating with them at a much quicker rate than actually progressing as a unit.
see...this is where people usually get me confused...
I work at high levels with white people. this is...they dumb ass hell.
on the flip side, I am from the hood. slit of people there are smart as fukk.
the difference is one person us not convinced they are smart enough and the other wants you to prove they are not smart enough.
we gotta stop with this conditioning shit.
we do that to each other.
that type thinking comes from aint shit parents. passing aint shit ideas down.
kids pick up on shit an take it to heart.
we have obstacles, yes. but that doesn't mean success is out of reach.
he's a sell out
he's a cornball
he talks white
he acts white
he wanted to live around white people
he wants that white education
ask any black male who is doing the damn thing and I am sure he has heard one of them at some point.
crazy because successful black women dint get the same type heat or need to prove their blackness.
cmon man...I live what your trying to get at.
Do you know how psychological roots take to fix? Most people globally do not defeat inner childhood trauma, it's usually irreversible without high level of psychological treatment, it's your bodies reaction from being wiped out, self preservation which could also lead to a species downfall. Best thing to do is to promote healthy psychological treatment in order to bring people out of their darkness.
i hear what you trying to say....I just don't agree to an extent.
I personally think the wrong thing is pushed to our black kids.
but it's crazy because the not wanting to try can be turned on and off.
hear me out.
niggas will go relentlessly after a phat ass, nudes, taking a niggas chick.
but that same effort is not present when told to step up to better their self.....please dint take this as all black people...just a small example.
but anyway....it is controllable... care to dispute this
@Ajackson17
It is controllable definitely, but you to combat this you'll need to understand psychologists and there are plenty of black psychologists working on this as we speak. Then you'll need your historians, then you'll need your business men as such as yourself and other fields of expertise to combat this and work as a conglomerate. It'll take a lot of thinking and resources and working to completely attack this, but we need something beyond the NCAAP and other black organizations that are specifically for black people.
or have more positive black american males around.
a positive man can make a world of difference in a child's life.
Positive black men and women. You need both, but we have to define what's positive and what's negative as well. That's when we get in what I always say we need to define our culture that is from New York to Los Angeles, everything else is sub-culture, but the main culture needs to be defined what we value as positive and what we value as negative. A black man with a degree, his own house, good job, clean, church goer but could be very misogynistic and against our African roots. In a way he could be very damaging in a lot of other ways as well. We have to think very critically.
THATS the problem wit "black culture" right there..
moreso then "misogynistic and against our African roots."
but yall aint tryin to hear me tho..
They are rooted in the same. But misogyny is a huge problem and just up there with the church. That's discrimination on black women and there are more of them than us. And they are the biggest organizers of police brutality. So that could just be as harmful as the church can be in especially to black men's favor.
I disagree
Misogyny is bullshit
Women have so much power and no clue how to collectively leverage it
Black men ain't misogynistic. Ain't even in our DNA. When we were kings, there were equal Queens who held their own kingdoms
Black men are on the defensive cause we getting it from all angles. There is no us vs. them battle going on but people keep trying to speak it into existence.
Misogyny is some gay shit so you know where it came from. @zzombie
There's no logical way you can observe the world and say mysogony is bullshit.
Nigga your logic ain't mine
Misogyny is to hate women, hold prejudice against
Show me how that's a problem in the black community
We don't hold power to be prejudice. How we the most loving, accepting, open, yet misogynistic
Bruh no matter what culture you're in men are above women on the totem pole. Men do have power over women...and there are many men who think women are inherently beneath them. Go look at some of the shit hotep niggas post on the internet. To them a woman is good for nothing other than fucking and making a baby.
Hotep nigga- I hate how that term is used
Hotep isn't a bad thing
And there are exceptions to everything in the world. That's such a trivial battle to fight right now
Black men in America have no power over black women
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9723238 said:what?
so there aren't many blk men who walk around with preconceived and usually negative opinions and ideas about women?
that said, i'd argue we all have our prejudices ....just some more than others