Blacks Make up 13% of the American Population But Commit Half of the Murders

[5th Letter]

I'm supposed to take this article serious, when they claim BLM is "divisive"? That tells me all I need to know.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that BLM is divisive, but I would say that BLM, like many if not all organizations, can be divisive. That almost seems self-evident to me.

Imo, like many others have argued, BLM itself is a debatable term. Are we talking about the founders of the organization? The followers? Affiliated groups? Etc.

So you say this to say what?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Dude. Debating them is pointless. They have created the rules and have come up with the data. The deck is already stacked. White people that need numbers to empathize, sympathize with the Black experience in America are at worst racists and at best supporters of White Supremacy. You don't need data when history has been recorded, reported and lived...

Who is they? You're doing the same dumb shit white people do to us. You're treating them as a monolith. Not every white person promoter of racism out of maliciousness. A lot of them promote it out of ignorance because they literally don't know any better. For some reason that I don't quite understand, blacks seem to think that whites see things the way we do and just reject the truth. They don't. White people don't live our lives or face our experiences, so they can't possibly see things our way until we show them

It's not about white people needing numbers to empathize or sympathize. It's about them needing numbers to believe that the problem is what we say it is. How is it that so many people on here like to shoot down anecdotal evidence for the debates we have on this site, but then want to act like anecdotal evidence is all white people should ever need to believe us. The bold is the exact problem with why we can't get our point across. The Against side didn't deny the history. They acknowledged it, but said that the present was better because of the numbers. Those numbers are part of the reporting too. And white people haven't lived our experience, so there is no reason for them to automatically believe that experience is true. Absolutely nothing is served by taking up this stance where we dismiss anyone who doesn't instantly jump on our bandwagon. Frankly, that sentiment makes no sense at all. There are racists that will never be swayed, but acting like every like every white person who needs proof is a racist is just silly and counterproductive.

Recorded history is now anecdotal? FOH

You keep believing the trash you do. We can't get our point across because, the majority of White folks don't give fuck. And instead of being lazy pieces of trash and relying on numbers, if they TRULY cared they would volunteer in a Black community of their choosing to discover what the truth is. I am not indicting every white person but I damn sure indicting the overwhelming majority.

My nigga do you know what anecdotal evidence is? Because I don't think you do. Yes, recorded history can be anecdotal. If you don't understand how, go look it up.

What proof do you have that the overwhelming majority of whites don't give a fuck at all about the black plight? I'm not saying you're wrong, but you call what I'm saying trash, so surely you have some reasonable proof supporting that claim. And you honestly think that every white person who is wants to understand the plight of black people needs to volunteer in the black community? Sure that might be a good way to learn, but putting that burden on all of them isn't reasonable. If we've got a complaint, we should be able to support our complaint. We shouldn't make the complaint and put the burden on other people to verify our complaint for themselves. That doesn't even make sense. lol

 

[Kwan Dai]

Dude. Debating them is pointless. They have created the rules and have come up with the data. The deck is already stacked. White people that need numbers to empathize, sympathize with the Black experience in America are at worst racists and at best supporters of White Supremacy. You don't need data when history has been recorded, reported and lived...

Who is they? You're doing the same dumb shit white people do to us. You're treating them as a monolith. Not every white person promoter of racism out of maliciousness. A lot of them promote it out of ignorance because they literally don't know any better. For some reason that I don't quite understand, blacks seem to think that whites see things the way we do and just reject the truth. They don't. White people don't live our lives or face our experiences, so they can't possibly see things our way until we show them

It's not about white people needing numbers to empathize or sympathize. It's about them needing numbers to believe that the problem is what we say it is. How is it that so many people on here like to shoot down anecdotal evidence for the debates we have on this site, but then want to act like anecdotal evidence is all white people should ever need to believe us. The bold is the exact problem with why we can't get our point across. The Against side didn't deny the history. They acknowledged it, but said that the present was better because of the numbers. Those numbers are part of the reporting too. And white people haven't lived our experience, so there is no reason for them to automatically believe that experience is true. Absolutely nothing is served by taking up this stance where we dismiss anyone who doesn't instantly jump on our bandwagon. Frankly, that sentiment makes no sense at all. There are racists that will never be swayed, but acting like every like every white person who needs proof is a racist is just silly and counterproductive.

Recorded history is now anecdotal? FOH

You keep believing the trash you do. We can't get our point across because, the majority of White folks don't give fuck. And instead of being lazy pieces of trash and relying on numbers, if they TRULY cared they would volunteer in a Black community of their choosing to discover what the truth is. I am not indicting every white person but I damn sure indicting the overwhelming majority.

My nigga do you know what anecdotal evidence is? Because I don't think you do. Yes, recorded history can be anecdotal. If you don't understand how, go look it up.

What proof do you have that the overwhelming majority of whites don't give a fuck at all about the black plight? I'm not saying you're wrong, but you call what I'm saying trash, so surely you have some reasonable proof supporting that claim. And you honestly think that every white person who is wants to understand the plight of black people needs to volunteer in the black community? Sure that might be a good way to learn, but putting that burden on all of them isn't reasonable. If we've got a complaint, we should be able to support our complaint. We shouldn't make the complaint and put the burden on other people to verify our complaint for themselves. That doesn't even make sense. lol

I asked is it. Not what can it be. Stop playing...

That is my opinion. That is my experience from living and experiencing American life across the nation. I never said, my opinion was fact. However, there's plenty of Historical and current events that support my opinion and experiences.

It doesn't make sense to you. And I won't speculate why.

I am not going to argue with a person who believes it's ok to formulate opinions on race and culture based on statistical data.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Dude. Debating them is pointless. They have created the rules and have come up with the data. The deck is already stacked. White people that need numbers to empathize, sympathize with the Black experience in America are at worst racists and at best supporters of White Supremacy. You don't need data when history has been recorded, reported and lived...

Who is they? You're doing the same dumb shit white people do to us. You're treating them as a monolith. Not every white person promoter of racism out of maliciousness. A lot of them promote it out of ignorance because they literally don't know any better. For some reason that I don't quite understand, blacks seem to think that whites see things the way we do and just reject the truth. They don't. White people don't live our lives or face our experiences, so they can't possibly see things our way until we show them

It's not about white people needing numbers to empathize or sympathize. It's about them needing numbers to believe that the problem is what we say it is. How is it that so many people on here like to shoot down anecdotal evidence for the debates we have on this site, but then want to act like anecdotal evidence is all white people should ever need to believe us. The bold is the exact problem with why we can't get our point across. The Against side didn't deny the history. They acknowledged it, but said that the present was better because of the numbers. Those numbers are part of the reporting too. And white people haven't lived our experience, so there is no reason for them to automatically believe that experience is true. Absolutely nothing is served by taking up this stance where we dismiss anyone who doesn't instantly jump on our bandwagon. Frankly, that sentiment makes no sense at all. There are racists that will never be swayed, but acting like every like every white person who needs proof is a racist is just silly and counterproductive.

Recorded history is now anecdotal? FOH

You keep believing the trash you do. We can't get our point across because, the majority of White folks don't give fuck. And instead of being lazy pieces of trash and relying on numbers, if they TRULY cared they would volunteer in a Black community of their choosing to discover what the truth is. I am not indicting every white person but I damn sure indicting the overwhelming majority.

My nigga do you know what anecdotal evidence is? Because I don't think you do. Yes, recorded history can be anecdotal. If you don't understand how, go look it up.

What proof do you have that the overwhelming majority of whites don't give a fuck at all about the black plight? I'm not saying you're wrong, but you call what I'm saying trash, so surely you have some reasonable proof supporting that claim. And you honestly think that every white person who is wants to understand the plight of black people needs to volunteer in the black community? Sure that might be a good way to learn, but putting that burden on all of them isn't reasonable. If we've got a complaint, we should be able to support our complaint. We shouldn't make the complaint and put the burden on other people to verify our complaint for themselves. That doesn't even make sense. lol

I asked is it. Not what can it be. Stop playing...

That is my opinion. That is my experience from living and experiencing American life across the nation. I never said, my opinion was fact. However, there's plenty of Historical and current events that support my opinion and experiences.

It doesn't make sense to you. And I won't speculate why.

I am not going to argue with a person who believes it's ok to formulate opinions on race and culture based on statistical data.

I thought you were asking rhetorically and you put FOH, which I took to signify the question as not being a real question. But yes, recorded history can be anecdotal. Anecdotal evidence by definition refers to accounts collected with no scientific basis or by unscientific observers. A lot of recorded history falls into that category. That doesn't mean those accounts doesn't matter. It just means you have to be careful about how you apply their meaning.

You're basically proving my point and don't even realize it. You basically just said your opinion is based on your experience. As I've pointed out, your experience is different from the average white person's. You can't expect them to see things your way without giving them a means of doing so. And yes, you can find historical and current events that support your experiences. They can find historical and current events that support their experiences too. That's why anecdotal evidence is limited in usefulness at times because if you look hard enough you can always find examples that fit your world view.

We're also not discussing people formulating opinions on race and culture based on statistical data. We're talking about people explaining societal trends and problems using data collected. No, it's not valid to try and use statistics to explain some of the issues with the collective psyche of the black community, but no one in this discussion is trying to do that. I disagree wholeheartedly with what the Against side in the debate was trying to push, but they weren't claiming that black people are fucked up because of numbers. They were trying to refute the idea that police are biased by using statistics related to crime rates. I believe they were wrong, but in that situation we can't just huff and puff and say they're wrong. We have to be able to beat their arguments, which isn't hard to do. When we can consistently do that, then at the very least, many of the intellectually honest people among them will better understand our side.

 

[(Nope)]

Someone mentioned Inteligence Squared in my TED Talk topic. I checked it out and watched this debate.
http://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/policing-racially-biased

It's about Police Racial bias. You guys should check it out. Basically, they had two black people saying there is racial bias, and two white people saying there wasn't. At the end of the debate the whites were declared the winners. Now, all of us might look at it as bullshit, but honestly I see why they win. For some reason, our people just aren't good at refuting the BS. For those that don't watch, the white side stood solely on the fact that most violent crimes are committed in black and brown neighborhoods. They brought numbers. The black debaters did a good job of presenting historical and modern context, but they did a bad job of shooting down the numbers. They tried, but their attempts weren't strong enough and they lost the debate. I'm not saying they are dumb, but the people who take on these issues have to get smarter. Whenever numbers pop up, they falter and wither, and in this society, people won't really take your side serious if you can't provide number to support your side or at least shoot down he numbers on the other side.

They are using faulty data which makes these types of a debates pointless and racists to begin with.

When law enforcement designate an area as high crime they don't do so using statistics. They do so based on race and maybe, maybe class. Black communities have always been designated as high crime, low moral, and uneducated. What the devil has done is, concocted statistics that justify their racism. Where 50-60 years ago they just flat out said it.

This is trash, masked as academia and politics.

According to their BS data. Blacks kill blacks at about 90+%. whites kill whites at about 80+%. I fail to see what the fucking difference is. The same violence being doled out by police toward Blacks should also apply to whites. And whites should see similar incarceration and conviction rates. Both numbers should be unacceptable. So, the fact that law enforcement believes there is more of an issue with Blacks committing crime is again white racists, racism and the inability to tell the truth.

Lastly. It's whites who have instilled this idea that murder is the most heinous crime. Some times murder is justified. I suppose only cops can justifiably commit murder. But I digress.

The bold is my problem. We can't just say "their stance is racist so debating them is pointless." We have to be able to explain why their point is bad. Too few of the people who represent us are incapable of doing that. You understand the ins and outs of the data because you have reason to dig deeper and refute it. The average white person in that audience doesn't have the same motivation. So when the white chick spits out a bunch of numbers, and the black chick shakes her head in disgusts and makes a bunch of faces, but ultimately can't refute the numbers in a cogent manner, our side loses. Also, keep in mind, that the scoring for this debate wasn't based on which side had more supporters from the audience. The scoring was determined by which side produced the most people switching over. In other words, it wasn't that more people believed the Against side. The problem was that the Against side was better able to sway people over to their side. That's important to acknowledge.

Get out there!

I still don't believe that we should engage the "Milos" of the world, but I respect this stance. I respect your belief in self. Racism in America is too complex to be addressed in one way and too pernicious to be ignored.

 

[NoCompetition]

Wouldnt that be an American issue? One of the biggest issues is how some try to separate "blacks" in these ways. This is an American issue point blank and needs to be addressed as such. Whenever they try to pull that "you over there" stuff off top.