Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People

[aneed123]

these rappers and religious institutions are quite influential

and who are all these influential black female intellectuals writing supposed scholarly papers that push white supremacist ideology disguised as women's rights philosophy? lol

that said, how am i arguing something different? lol expound. my initial point and what i continue to argue is that both blk men and blk women have been guilty of perpetuating white supremacists talking points and siding with white supremacist. perpetuating misogyny and patriarchy qualifies because it serves to subjugate and dehumanize blk women and women in general

and no you didn't say that feminism is the same as white supremacy. but you suggested as much when you claim within the movement there is A LOT lot of "truth" being put out there that really is just a demonization of black men

Rappers are influential, but no one with any sense is looking to rappers for insight on sociological matters. And religious institutions are shifting with the times too. Previously, women couldn't hold any positions of leadership over men in most churches. Nowadays, it's not that uncommon to see women as the heads of churches. Not to mention that almost every church has instituted positions such as deaconesses that allow women to hold positions of authority in the church. Either way neither of those is the same as scholar using bad stats and bad science to try and add legitimacy to sterotypes.

Any feminist that has quoted bullshit stats or unsubstantiated characterizations of black men to explain some ill in the community. It's not necessarily a paper but check this article.
http://www.blackcommentator.com/46/46_guest_2.html

It's about an interview with bell hooks. She claimed that black males were violent because they were disproportionately sexually abused claiming (with no proof) that sexual abuse is more rampant among black men. Now I've read some from her, and I don't think she's bad at all, but this just goes to show how pervasive making unsubstantiated claims to explain things with black males is in feminism.

The difference between what you and I are saying is that you keep coming up with statements made by random dudes here and there. I'm talking about a movement that is at least partially based on explaining the hardships black women face by shifting blame to black men. As far as I know, no black male scholars do that to black women. There is no black male movement that uses that tactic. Yes, there are men that promote white supremacy, but, as far as I know, there is no organized ideology that black men are pushing that throws black women under the bus using white racist rhetoric.

As for your last statement, if the shoe fits... I'm not saying black feminism is the same thing as white supremacy, but if its a fact that black feminists knowingly use bad data, stereotypes, and other ill logic all to tear black men down, how am I wrong for pointing that out. Do you know how many times I've heard feminists claim that black men are the leading cause of death for black women? That's about as big a lie as is possible, yet it's promoted like it's God's truth.

blk feminism is not inherently anit-blk men

i get where u are coming from though...

i'm not the biggest fan of bell hook's ideas and there are ppl spreading misinformation unchecked. but i think you are overstating their influence and or following

that said, i'm not just coming up with random statements made by niggas on the IC. what a lot of men fail to acknowledge, is our society, world by default is anti-woman. and by extension anti-blk woman.

women don't make good leaders. women are devious. women cannot think for themselves. women don't know what is best. women who don't act like "ladies" should expect to be disrespected. feminism is only for white women. blk women are irresponsible mothers. women can't raise men. most blk women are welfare queens, hood rats, birds, etc. rhetoric i hear in barber shops, family gatherings, work,media, music etc from blk men. much of the same rhetoric i hear from white male politicians to justify cuts made to the social safety net only to give the money to a military contractor. rhetoric the alt right uses to recruit. we know who tommy sotomayor and tariq nasheed for a reason. these men have large followings

yes we live in a world that is largely blk ppl, and blk men have had to pay for that with their lives. but blk women shouldn't have to always choose our race over our gender at our own expense

This idea only works in a world where racism doesn't exist. What some sistas don't understand is that by and large other race women only fuck with yall when it benefits them. This has been historically proven time and time again. Yall are used by other women to get their numbers up but they are not so fast to come to your aide. What did your so called sisters in feminism do with #blackgirlsrock? I remember how all the other races of women called my sistas fat and big lipped. Brothas stood up and said fuck them we love our volumptious women. Then guess what happened? Butt injections, lip injections etc. Now those women are buying the black womans natural beauty after she has been torn down by them so much that she rejects it herself.

And here's another thing that may be hard to believe; other race men dont fuck with us like that either. This is what we keep trying to get through to yall. We have no choice at the moment but to be race focused so that we can succeed together. Aint nobody really trying to fight our fight. Shit mostly be about fb likes and retweets. Again to their vain benefit. You may think other races are gender focused but fuck with their women and children and see what happens. We the only group doing this shit.

Yall keep trying to seperate yourselves from us and honestly the shit hurts our community in the end. We get shit on by everybody including our own women. Yeah there are black men out there on the same bullshit but they are the minority and get checked. You see tommy got his ass socked for that. I see the female versions of him go untouched and hell often supported by our women. We in this together yet we choose to keep moving away from each other.

Smh, everytime I try to leave this thread keep calling me back.

The bold is the stone cold truth

 

[aneed123]

if a black man cant find a job even with a degree....will the black woman take care of him once she starts caking?

if a black man loses his job and must depend on his woman...will she stand by him thru it all AND build him up?

over the years i have heard so many stories of how sisters shit on black men who stood with them, paid for their education, supported them, nurtured them only for it to not matter once SHE starts making money. and then blame it on the man for not looking hard enough. but when the shoes on the other foot...let a man say that...

i mean i can go some many places in this convo.

Men loosewhen we fall on gard financial times.. women will emasculate him and leave. But she wants a man to help and take care of her when she is on hard times... then the same feminist who want equality will defend it and hide behind gender roles...

 

[Shizlansky]

Black women puts down the their man more than any other race. You rarely see women do that that's not black.

Shit is crazy

 

[7figz]

if a black man cant find a job even with a degree....will the black woman take care of him once she starts caking?

if a black man loses his job and must depend on his woman...will she stand by him thru it all AND build him up?

over the years i have heard so many stories of how sisters shit on black men who stood with them, paid for their education, supported them, nurtured them only for it to not matter once SHE starts making money. and then blame it on the man for not looking hard enough. but when the shoes on the other foot...let a man say that...

i mean i can go some many places in this convo.

Men loosewhen we fall on gard financial times.. women will emasculate him and leave. But she wants a man to help and take care of her when she is on hard times... then the same feminist who want equality will defend it and hide behind gender roles...

A lot of these chicks out here want you to take care of them whether or not they on hard times.

I side-eye any so-called feminist chick who supports double-standards.

 

[7figz]

The only necessary and correct response to a Black woman’s lamentations is to listen. It is not to dismiss or find offense. It is not to center your own feelings and plight. It is not to rebut, refute, or refuse to accept. It is to hear her, make amends, and help her move through the pain. Whether you agree or not, recognize these concerns or not, experience these same grievances or not, are a woman yourself or not, this is the modus operandi. I have learned from this exchange that Black women are all we got, save a selection of Black men we can depend on as allies. (I’m so thankful my partner is my ally and is not above introspection and criticism; that he recognizes and maximizes his minimal privilege for my benefit and that of other Black women.) But, just like with White people, Black women must wear a guard of protection when encountering Black men until they prove themselves to be a safe place.

Theres a famous quote by Stephen R. Covey

We typically seek first to be understood. Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply. They're either speaking or preparing to speak. They're filtering everything through their own paradigms, reading their autobiography into other people's lives.

Understanding the nature of a forum is to reply, I think it took like 10 pages( out of those people who engaged) for someone to ask a question or step outside of themselves and be inquisitive.

I find that the bolded is the best answer for the grievances that are being expressed.

While I was a little perked up by the subject title, I wasn't really offended. As I reflected on my personal interactions with women that I've encountered in my walk of life.... I realize they've all been relatively pleasant no matter how close or far the relationship. I can confidently say that most of the women whom i engaged with/ girlfriends / coworkers (excluding moms because she's a given) had my back, and probably still will have my back.

With the amount of cringe worthy comments in this thread, I think deep down, they're guys in here that feel like "OMG.. if I don't control these "b*tches," they will destroy me". Like to the point where they take all grievances as personal attacks.... like "some white people" do.

while they're some wild women out their that aint shyt, the key to discernment is listening with an intent to understand.

but I get it, engaging discourse with an intent to understand our counterpart is something not everyone is here for.

problem here is each side is blaming the other for not listening and thats how we are here.

but ...there is another problem...

People dont listen to themselves or what they say to another person.

or they choose not to correct themselves when they are wrong with what thy say.

i know i had many fights with women i dated simply over the fact i either had to take on baggage from another nigga or live up to the expectation of their ideal nigga.

what is a person to do in that situation? cuz they both revolve around you aint shit.

and some people dont like inquisitive people...they think they are up to something or shut down.

then we get into acknowledgement..

how many people appreciate the small things. how many acknowledge the small things? how many people think they shouldnt have to because thats the way it should be?

At the end of the day, we all have our own personal hang-ups.

Theres a time tho, when you have to recognize that some people are just toxic human beings.

When it comes to issues where women do not feel empowered, safe, and or validated, that might be a good time

to listen. My girl talks about how when she's at work, the older black men that she works with talk over her. They assume that she's their daughter or little sister. She can assume a more assertive stance but she will then be classified as the "Mean B*tch". They constantly ask her when is she going to get married. They assume that she should be in a traditional marriage with kids at her age. In subtle ways they insinuate that she's invalid because she hasn't reach the antiquated specific expectations on where they feel, a woman like her should be in her life. Of course women in general make snide comments like this to each other as well, but I think when it comes from a male it can come off as "controlling" and possessive.

It can also be tiresome to constantly ignore comments like those on a weekly basis.

Issues like these have a way of creeping into my life. Clearly, I can't solve them for her, I can only listen and provide the best direction that I think, makes sense for her and her future.

It's a different story when your girl is voicing her particular concerns about dudes at her jobs just then generalizing about alll Black men. A more appropriate comparison would be if she came home and blamed you for it - on some "why Black men always talk over Black women and treat us like how white people treat Black people ?"... I'm sure your reaction would be to do somethinf other than 'just listen'.

Honestly.

I kinda would have to listen, Im not really trying to "win" an argument. Assuming this is a girl I'm heavily into, I would have incredible generosity in the way I interpret her behavior.... Until I feel like her behavior is toxic and not constructive then thats when I leave.

I also feel that the grievances from women become palatable ... When black men don't feel like black women, in general, are here to destroy them. I personally am not the one out here getting raped, sexually assaulted or called a b*tch when I decline your advances; nobody is policing my genitals either. Patriarchy has awarded me subtle but slight advantages and I can admit that.

So theres a subset of problems that I don't have to concern myself with as a man, but I, as the closest collaborator within the race to black women am the only one that has the ability to empathetically connect through our shared struggle.

You can vent at me all day... but the line of disrespect is a discretionary line that each person has to draw for themselves.

So you'd sit there and listen to your girl bash all Black men, including you, instead of talking about the specific dudes who wronged her ? What's constructive about that ?

That's not toxic ? Shit, that's the definition of toxic to let that kind of stereotyping/generalizing go unchecked.

When you talk about women do you just say women or do you start naming every specific woman who may fit that specific point? It doesn't take much to know that the "some" is implied or to simply know if you ain't doing none of the shit being talked about then it dont apply to you.

Bro, when I talk about women - I'm careful not to say / imply "all women".

If I'm talking about ho's, I say ho's - same with gold-diggers, groupies, etc...

I don't speak in generalizations.

If a person makes a statement like what's made in the title of that article, there is no implication that they are only talking about "some Black men". That's just lenient thinking on your behalf. You're giving them the benefit of the doubt.

What - they too tired to quantify shit ?

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

blk feminism is not inherently anit-blk men

i get where u are coming from though...

i'm not the biggest fan of bell hook's ideas and there are ppl spreading misinformation unchecked. but i think you are overstating their influence and or following

that said, i'm not just coming up with random statements made by niggas on the IC. what a lot of men fail to acknowledge, is our society, world by default is anti-woman. and by extension anti-blk woman.

women don't make good leaders. women are devious. women cannot think for themselves. women don't know what is best. women who don't act like "ladies" should expect to be disrespected. feminism is only for white women. blk women are irresponsible mothers. women can't raise men. most blk women are welfare queens, hood rats, birds, etc. rhetoric i hear in barber shops, family gatherings, work,media, music etc from blk men. much of the same rhetoric i hear from white male politicians to justify cuts made to the social safety net only to give the money to a military contractor. rhetoric the alt right uses to recruit. we know who tommy sotomayor and tariq nasheed for a reason. these men have large followings

Keeping it 100, I've said stuff like women can't think for themselves or tend to be illogical. I wasn't saying that shit because I'm anti-woman. I said it because it's been my experience with women. Now when women come along that buck those beliefs, I acknowledge it. And even if a woman falls into one of those categories, I don't try to tear her down because of it because we all have faults. I think most dudes are like that. Yeah, we have hangups about women and we generalize, but to say we are anti-woman because of that is a stretch. The same goes for women. I'm pretty sure every woman out there buys into at least one stereotype about men. That doesn't mean every woman is anti-man. I understand you're talking about society as a whole and not each individual, but isn't it possible that the bulk of individual men out there think and behave more like I'm saying than the "Women ain't shit, so we have to keep them down (paraphrasing of course)" way that you and other feminists seem to believe society pushes.

We don't live in a vacuum. i don't believe it's just men calling it like they see it lol

Then based off my own experiences what most men mean by "illogical" is a demonstration of strong emotion in a situation in which he doesn't understand why such strong emotion is warranted. But just because you don't understand the emotion doesn't mean that is doesn't have a perfectly reasonable explanation. And since something is deemed "logical" or "illogical" by means of reasoning conducted by a human being, it is subjective in nature

That said, expressing the full range of your emotions is actually healthy. Feeding off ur emotions and having a high emotional iq can help us to make better decisions as well. But because these things come more naturally to women, they are shunned

And the way we are conditioned to expect a woman to behave emotionally, while men are chastised for showing any emotion i feel contributes to the propagation of the idea women being illogical

That is what keeps patriarchy operaring, making sure that men stand above and separate from women... and femininity associated with flawed, weak character traits

Just think how from the time they our toddlers until adulthood we teach men how to be men through discouraging any stereotypically feminine traits in them. we insult young boys by telling them they are “acting like a girl”

Men are still by and large discouraged from entering traditionally feminine work. And as a society feminine work like patient care and teaching is extremely undervalued

This contempt of womanhood, too, is basis of the anti-feminist arguments i run across the most on here and irl. men like to proclaim that feminism is about “turning men into women” ...or in other words to make men into something that is viewed as lesser or flawed

Arguments you've made

Ask yourself why would it hurt to be more woman like? Seriously Lol

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

blk feminism is not inherently anit-blk men

i get where u are coming from though...

i'm not the biggest fan of bell hook's ideas and there are ppl spreading misinformation unchecked. but i think you are overstating their influence and or following

that said, i'm not just coming up with random statements made by niggas on the IC. what a lot of men fail to acknowledge, is our society, world by default is anti-woman. and by extension anti-blk woman.

women don't make good leaders. women are devious. women cannot think for themselves. women don't know what is best. women who don't act like "ladies" should expect to be disrespected. feminism is only for white women. blk women are irresponsible mothers. women can't raise men. most blk women are welfare queens, hood rats, birds, etc. rhetoric i hear in barber shops, family gatherings, work,media, music from blk men. much of the same rhetoric i hear from white male politicians to justify cuts made to the social safety net only to give the money to a military contractor. rhetoric the alt right uses to recruit. we know who tommy sotomayor and tariq nasheed for a reason. these men have large followings

yes we live in a world that is largely blk ppl, and blk men have had to pay for that with their lives. but blk women shouldn't have to always choose our race over our gender at our own expense

I'm asking a serious question not a loaded one because I honestly don't know. How often do you hear stuff like the bold said seriously by a person of some influence? I'm not talking about Tommy Sotomayor or Tariq Nasheed or any other internet fool. It's probably fair to say they had some influence, but let's be real, neither of those dudes are affecting the lives of women out there. I'm asking like from a real day to day standpoint. I don't know where you work, but when you go to work, are your coworkers saying things like that to you and acting on those beliefs? Are the men in your family saying things like that to you and acting on those beliefs? I only ask because I never see it, but I'm not a woman, so I probably wouldn't see it.

a lot... seriously

and yes it impacts the daily lives of women everywhere because we have to interact with these ppl at work, school, out in public, etc

one my college professors, an older blk man, who taught african american history wasn't shy about his disdain for feminism and was quick to say "it was for white women"

i've heard everyone from lawyers to barbers to police officers parrot this rhetoric

i know plenty of women can concur. so how many women will have to come forward with similar testimonies before you all can admit it is a big problem

that said, what blk woman of power and or great influence is out here squawking all niggas at shit

bell hooks, has some influence, but women like her exist on the fringes and are thought of as being radical

No, I mean how often do you suffer from the negative stereotypes about women. I fully believe you catch hell for being a feminist.

And the male bashing is a general thing. Remember that discussion we had about the Breakfast Club interview with the feminists and how they lied and said that black males were the leading cause of death for black women. They had CtG believing that. How many in the audience believed it? It's not just a couple. Y'all can get real reckless with the shit you say. The article you just posted had statements that were way too general.

Way too general? *shrugs* Thought she made some good points

I know what u meant. I havent always been a feminist and the most hell i catch is from ppl who don't know i self identify as a feminist. I was referring to this general contempt of feminism and women

How often do you suffer from the negative stereotypes about women? At work and my previous jobs men are good for trying to talk over women or they can come off as condescending. My interactions with men just out in public. Dating. On the internet there's misogyny abound. Even interacting with the men in my family and male friends

I feel like you are on the way to saying "maybe its in my head" and i would respond "how white of you". But it is true our beliefs, prejudices, bias, etc inform and have a large influence over our decision making and the way we interact with others

So who is to say that i wasn't offered a job after an interview because i was a woman or passed over for a promotion

Who is to say that an officers misogynic leanings doesnt negatively impact his or her interaction with a woman who is the station to file a report after being raped

Read on this experiment done in the 1970s and 1980s. Orchestras began using blind auditions. Candidates are situated on a stage behind a screen to play for a jury that cannot see them. Since then there has been an increase of 15-20% female musicians hired
http://gap.hks.harvard.edu/orchestrating-impartiality-impact-“blind”-auditions-female-musicians

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

these rappers and religious institutions are quite influential

and who are all these influential black female intellectuals writing supposed scholarly papers that push white supremacist ideology disguised as women's rights philosophy? lol

that said, how am i arguing something different? lol expound. my initial point and what i continue to argue is that both blk men and blk women have been guilty of perpetuating white supremacists talking points and siding with white supremacist. perpetuating misogyny and patriarchy qualifies because it serves to subjugate and dehumanize blk women and women in general

and no you didn't say that feminism is the same as white supremacy. but you suggested as much when you claim within the movement there is A LOT lot of "truth" being put out there that really is just a demonization of black men

Rappers are influential, but no one with any sense is looking to rappers for insight on sociological matters. And religious institutions are shifting with the times too. Previously, women couldn't hold any positions of leadership over men in most churches. Nowadays, it's not that uncommon to see women as the heads of churches. Not to mention that almost every church has instituted positions such as deaconesses that allow women to hold positions of authority in the church. Either way neither of those is the same as scholar using bad stats and bad science to try and add legitimacy to sterotypes.

Any feminist that has quoted bullshit stats or unsubstantiated characterizations of black men to explain some ill in the community. It's not necessarily a paper but check this article.
http://www.blackcommentator.com/46/46_guest_2.html

It's about an interview with bell hooks. She claimed that black males were violent because they were disproportionately sexually abused claiming (with no proof) that sexual abuse is more rampant among black men. Now I've read some from her, and I don't think she's bad at all, but this just goes to show how pervasive making unsubstantiated claims to explain things with black males is in feminism.

The difference between what you and I are saying is that you keep coming up with statements made by random dudes here and there. I'm talking about a movement that is at least partially based on explaining the hardships black women face by shifting blame to black men. As far as I know, no black male scholars do that to black women. There is no black male movement that uses that tactic. Yes, there are men that promote white supremacy, but, as far as I know, there is no organized ideology that black men are pushing that throws black women under the bus using white racist rhetoric.

As for your last statement, if the shoe fits... I'm not saying black feminism is the same thing as white supremacy, but if its a fact that black feminists knowingly use bad data, stereotypes, and other ill logic all to tear black men down, how am I wrong for pointing that out. Do you know how many times I've heard feminists claim that black men are the leading cause of death for black women? That's about as big a lie as is possible, yet it's promoted like it's God's truth.

blk feminism is not inherently anit-blk men

i get where u are coming from though...

i'm not the biggest fan of bell hook's ideas and there are ppl spreading misinformation unchecked. but i think you are overstating their influence and or following

that said, i'm not just coming up with random statements made by niggas on the IC. what a lot of men fail to acknowledge, is our society, world by default is anti-woman. and by extension anti-blk woman.

women don't make good leaders. women are devious. women cannot think for themselves. women don't know what is best. women who don't act like "ladies" should expect to be disrespected. feminism is only for white women. blk women are irresponsible mothers. women can't raise men. most blk women are welfare queens, hood rats, birds, etc. rhetoric i hear in barber shops, family gatherings, work,media, music etc from blk men. much of the same rhetoric i hear from white male politicians to justify cuts made to the social safety net only to give the money to a military contractor. rhetoric the alt right uses to recruit. we know who tommy sotomayor and tariq nasheed for a reason. these men have large followings

yes we live in a world that is largely blk ppl, and blk men have had to pay for that with their lives. but blk women shouldn't have to always choose our race over our gender at our own expense

This idea only works in a world where racism doesn't exist. What some sistas don't understand is that by and large other race women only fuck with yall when it benefits them. This has been historically proven time and time again. Yall are used by other women to get their numbers up but they are not so fast to come to your aide. What did your so called sisters in feminism do with #blackgirlsrock? I remember how all the other races of women called my sistas fat and big lipped. Brothas stood up and said fuck them we love our volumptious women. Then guess what happened? Butt injections, lip injections etc. Now those women are buying the black womans natural beauty after she has been torn down by them so much that she rejects it herself.

And here's another thing that may be hard to believe; other race men dont fuck with us like that either. This is what we keep trying to get through to yall. We have no choice at the moment but to be race focused so that we can succeed together. Aint nobody really trying to fight our fight. Shit mostly be about fb likes and retweets. Again to their vain benefit. You may think other races are gender focused but fuck with their women and children and see what happens. We the only group doing this shit.

Yall keep trying to seperate yourselves from us and honestly the shit hurts our community in the end. We get shit on by everybody including our own women. Yeah there are black men out there on the same bullshit but they are the minority and get checked. You see tommy got his ass socked for that. I see the female versions of him go untouched and hell often supported by our women. We in this together yet we choose to keep moving away from each other.

Smh, everytime I try to leave this thread keep calling me back.

When i say i dont see the bullshit shit from blk men being checked enough no lies are being told

But I'm with you though

Think a lot of what we see stems from ppl being frustrated and a small minority exploiting that frustration

 

[The Lonious Monk]

blk feminism is not inherently anit-blk men

i get where u are coming from though...

i'm not the biggest fan of bell hook's ideas and there are ppl spreading misinformation unchecked. but i think you are overstating their influence and or following

that said, i'm not just coming up with random statements made by niggas on the IC. what a lot of men fail to acknowledge, is our society, world by default is anti-woman. and by extension anti-blk woman.

women don't make good leaders. women are devious. women cannot think for themselves. women don't know what is best. women who don't act like "ladies" should expect to be disrespected. feminism is only for white women. blk women are irresponsible mothers. women can't raise men. most blk women are welfare queens, hood rats, birds, etc. rhetoric i hear in barber shops, family gatherings, work,media, music from blk men. much of the same rhetoric i hear from white male politicians to justify cuts made to the social safety net only to give the money to a military contractor. rhetoric the alt right uses to recruit. we know who tommy sotomayor and tariq nasheed for a reason. these men have large followings

yes we live in a world that is largely blk ppl, and blk men have had to pay for that with their lives. but blk women shouldn't have to always choose our race over our gender at our own expense

I'm asking a serious question not a loaded one because I honestly don't know. How often do you hear stuff like the bold said seriously by a person of some influence? I'm not talking about Tommy Sotomayor or Tariq Nasheed or any other internet fool. It's probably fair to say they had some influence, but let's be real, neither of those dudes are affecting the lives of women out there. I'm asking like from a real day to day standpoint. I don't know where you work, but when you go to work, are your coworkers saying things like that to you and acting on those beliefs? Are the men in your family saying things like that to you and acting on those beliefs? I only ask because I never see it, but I'm not a woman, so I probably wouldn't see it.

a lot... seriously

and yes it impacts the daily lives of women everywhere because we have to interact with these ppl at work, school, out in public, etc

one my college professors, an older blk man, who taught african american history wasn't shy about his disdain for feminism and was quick to say "it was for white women"

i've heard everyone from lawyers to barbers to police officers parrot this rhetoric

i know plenty of women can concur. so how many women will have to come forward with similar testimonies before you all can admit it is a big problem

that said, what blk woman of power and or great influence is out here squawking all niggas at shit

bell hooks, has some influence, but women like her exist on the fringes and are thought of as being radical

No, I mean how often do you suffer from the negative stereotypes about women. I fully believe you catch hell for being a feminist.

And the male bashing is a general thing. Remember that discussion we had about the Breakfast Club interview with the feminists and how they lied and said that black males were the leading cause of death for black women. They had CtG believing that. How many in the audience believed it? It's not just a couple. Y'all can get real reckless with the shit you say. The article you just posted had statements that were way too general.

Way too general? *shrugs* Thought she made some good points

I know what u meant. I havent always been a feminist and the most hell i catch is from ppl who don't know i self identify as a feminist. I was referring to this general contempt of feminism and women

How often do you suffer from the negative stereotypes about women? At work and my previous jobs men are good for trying to talk over women or they can come off as condescending. My interactions with men just out in public. Dating. On the internet there's misogyny abound. Even interacting with the men in my family and male friends

I feel like you are on the way to saying "maybe its in my head" and i would respond "how white of you". But it is true our beliefs, prejudices, bias, etc inform and have a large influence over our decision making and the way we interact with others

So who is to say that i wasn't offered a job after an interview because i was a woman or passed over for a promotion

Who is to say that an officers misogynic leanings doesnt negatively impact his or her interaction with a woman who is the station to file a report after being raped

Read on this experiment done in the 1970s and 1980s. Orchestras began using blind auditions. Candidates are situated on a stage behind a screen to play for a jury that cannot see them. Since then there has been an increase of 15-20% female musicians hired
http://gap.hks.harvard.edu/orchestrating-impartiality-impact-“blind”-auditions-female-musicians

I wasn't on my way to saying it's in your head. Lol Like I said, I was asking a serious question because I didn't know. It might not be in your head, but your assumption does seem to imply a quickness to assume the worst.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

if a black man cant find a job even with a degree....will the black woman take care of him once she starts caking?

if a black man loses his job and must depend on his woman...will she stand by him thru it all AND build him up?

over the years i have heard so many stories of how sisters shit on black men who stood with them, paid for their education, supported them, nurtured them only for it to not matter once SHE starts making money. and then blame it on the man for not looking hard enough. but when the shoes on the other foot...let a man say that...

i mean i can go some many places in this convo.

Men loosewhen we fall on gard financial times.. women will emasculate him and leave. But she wants a man to help and take care of her when she is on hard times... then the same feminist who want equality will defend it and hide behind gender roles...

you are right....

just with so many families relocating to my area in swiss......

the few black couples we met shit went like this.

two couples following the career of their wife....as i did too.

two black men trying to find jobs in switzerland aint easy.

so one woman sent her man back to the states to find a job. yes, you read right...sent her man back to the states.

the other dude....she told him he cant spend HER money. now this dude been taking care of her since college...he gave up all his shit in the states to move here with her. he couldnt pick up the same type steam and had to lean on his lady. she told him he could not spend her money...so they got divorced. an now she realizes her mistake but is too proud to admit it.

now all the white people here.....who followed their wifes career.....these dudes been unemployed for 10 plus years...wife just paying the bills an these dudes out drinking and "raising" the kids. never understood how you can raise kids when they in a swiss boarding school but whatever.

the asians and indians dont even bring they wives....they huddle up in a apartment. like 10 of them in an apartment....sharing....these dudes making like 150k ch a year. and sharing an apartment and sending all the money back home. they bring the wife to visit get an hotel room...an when she gone they back in the apartment.

so i look at that some type of way.

im thankful i didnt have to go thru it ...but it does make me wonder.

but i feel bad for the black dudes. they gave up careers to follow they wife an they wife abandoned them cause they couldnt find jobs.

and the one chick just got married not even a year an already looking to creep with her higher up.

thats fukked up..

thru thick and thin....or relocation

i tel people all the time.....make syre you understand what going to the motherland means...cause some people cant make it work in one of the riches countries on the planet....how you think its gonna work in a country still coming up.

 

[5th Letter]

if a black man cant find a job even with a degree....will the black woman take care of him once she starts caking?

if a black man loses his job and must depend on his woman...will she stand by him thru it all AND build him up?

over the years i have heard so many stories of how sisters shit on black men who stood with them, paid for their education, supported them, nurtured them only for it to not matter once SHE starts making money. and then blame it on the man for not looking hard enough. but when the shoes on the other foot...let a man say that...

i mean i can go some many places in this convo.

Men loosewhen we fall on gard financial times.. women will emasculate him and leave. But she wants a man to help and take care of her when she is on hard times... then the same feminist who want equality will defend it and hide behind gender roles...

you are right....

just with so many families relocating to my area in swiss......

the few black couples we met shit went like this.

two couples following the career of their wife....as i did too.

two black men trying to find jobs in switzerland aint easy.

so one woman sent her man back to the states to find a job. yes, you read right...sent her man back to the states.

the other dude....she told him he cant spend HER money. now this dude been taking care of her since college...he gave up all his shit in the states to move here with her. he couldnt pick up the same type steam and had to lean on his lady. she told him he could not spend her money...so they got divorced. an now she realizes her mistake but is too proud to admit it.

now all the white people here.....who followed their wifes career.....these dudes been unemployed for 10 plus years...wife just paying the bills an these dudes out drinking and "raising" the kids. never understood how you can raise kids when they in a swiss boarding school but whatever.

the asians and indians dont even bring they wives....they huddle up in a apartment. like 10 of them in an apartment....sharing....these dudes making like 150k ch a year. and sharing an apartment and sending all the money back home. they bring the wife to visit get an hotel room...an when she gone they back in the apartment.

so i look at that some type of way.

im thankful i didnt have to go thru it ...but it does make me wonder.

but i feel bad for the black dudes. they gave up careers to follow they wife an they wife abandoned them cause they couldnt find jobs.

and the one chick just got married not even a year an already looking to creep with her higher up.

thats fukked up..

thru thick and thin....or relocation

i tel people all the time.....make syre you understand what going to the motherland means...cause some people cant make it work in one of the riches countries on the planet....how you think its gonna work in a country still coming up.

Their first mistake was following their woman to another continent. Are we forgetting whose supposed to be leading here? Women (for the most part) do not want to take care of no man period. That's off putting to them

 

[2stepz_ahead]

if a black man cant find a job even with a degree....will the black woman take care of him once she starts caking?

if a black man loses his job and must depend on his woman...will she stand by him thru it all AND build him up?

over the years i have heard so many stories of how sisters shit on black men who stood with them, paid for their education, supported them, nurtured them only for it to not matter once SHE starts making money. and then blame it on the man for not looking hard enough. but when the shoes on the other foot...let a man say that...

i mean i can go some many places in this convo.

Men loosewhen we fall on gard financial times.. women will emasculate him and leave. But she wants a man to help and take care of her when she is on hard times... then the same feminist who want equality will defend it and hide behind gender roles...

you are right....

just with so many families relocating to my area in swiss......

the few black couples we met shit went like this.

two couples following the career of their wife....as i did too.

two black men trying to find jobs in switzerland aint easy.

so one woman sent her man back to the states to find a job. yes, you read right...sent her man back to the states.

the other dude....she told him he cant spend HER money. now this dude been taking care of her since college...he gave up all his shit in the states to move here with her. he couldnt pick up the same type steam and had to lean on his lady. she told him he could not spend her money...so they got divorced. an now she realizes her mistake but is too proud to admit it.

now all the white people here.....who followed their wifes career.....these dudes been unemployed for 10 plus years...wife just paying the bills an these dudes out drinking and "raising" the kids. never understood how you can raise kids when they in a swiss boarding school but whatever.

the asians and indians dont even bring they wives....they huddle up in a apartment. like 10 of them in an apartment....sharing....these dudes making like 150k ch a year. and sharing an apartment and sending all the money back home. they bring the wife to visit get an hotel room...an when she gone they back in the apartment.

so i look at that some type of way.

im thankful i didnt have to go thru it ...but it does make me wonder.

but i feel bad for the black dudes. they gave up careers to follow they wife an they wife abandoned them cause they couldnt find jobs.

and the one chick just got married not even a year an already looking to creep with her higher up.

thats fukked up..

thru thick and thin....or relocation

i tel people all the time.....make syre you understand what going to the motherland means...cause some people cant make it work in one of the riches countries on the planet....how you think its gonna work in a country still coming up.

Their first mistake was following their woman to another continent. Are we forgetting whose supposed to be leading here? Women (for the most part) do not want to take care of no man period. That's off putting to them

i get what you saying...but why apply for a job across seas?

i am sure they had to speak about it at some point before they moved.

shit wasnt some shock.

the problem is when certain women have too much power.

 

[5th Letter]

if a black man cant find a job even with a degree....will the black woman take care of him once she starts caking?

if a black man loses his job and must depend on his woman...will she stand by him thru it all AND build him up?

over the years i have heard so many stories of how sisters shit on black men who stood with them, paid for their education, supported them, nurtured them only for it to not matter once SHE starts making money. and then blame it on the man for not looking hard enough. but when the shoes on the other foot...let a man say that...

i mean i can go some many places in this convo.

Men loosewhen we fall on gard financial times.. women will emasculate him and leave. But she wants a man to help and take care of her when she is on hard times... then the same feminist who want equality will defend it and hide behind gender roles...

you are right....

just with so many families relocating to my area in swiss......

the few black couples we met shit went like this.

two couples following the career of their wife....as i did too.

two black men trying to find jobs in switzerland aint easy.

so one woman sent her man back to the states to find a job. yes, you read right...sent her man back to the states.

the other dude....she told him he cant spend HER money. now this dude been taking care of her since college...he gave up all his shit in the states to move here with her. he couldnt pick up the same type steam and had to lean on his lady. she told him he could not spend her money...so they got divorced. an now she realizes her mistake but is too proud to admit it.

now all the white people here.....who followed their wifes career.....these dudes been unemployed for 10 plus years...wife just paying the bills an these dudes out drinking and "raising" the kids. never understood how you can raise kids when they in a swiss boarding school but whatever.

the asians and indians dont even bring they wives....they huddle up in a apartment. like 10 of them in an apartment....sharing....these dudes making like 150k ch a year. and sharing an apartment and sending all the money back home. they bring the wife to visit get an hotel room...an when she gone they back in the apartment.

so i look at that some type of way.

im thankful i didnt have to go thru it ...but it does make me wonder.

but i feel bad for the black dudes. they gave up careers to follow they wife an they wife abandoned them cause they couldnt find jobs.

and the one chick just got married not even a year an already looking to creep with her higher up.

thats fukked up..

thru thick and thin....or relocation

i tel people all the time.....make syre you understand what going to the motherland means...cause some people cant make it work in one of the riches countries on the planet....how you think its gonna work in a country still coming up.

Their first mistake was following their woman to another continent. Are we forgetting whose supposed to be leading here? Women (for the most part) do not want to take care of no man period. That's off putting to them

i get what you saying...but why apply for a job across seas?

i am sure they had to speak about it at some point before they moved.

shit wasnt some shock.

the problem is when certain women have too much power.

Unless those men had a job lined up waiting for them why move? The women had jobs lined up for them there though I bet. As far as women goes most women even those that are meek and humble will eventually become frustrated and annoyed by a grown man laying up in the house all day while she's out working. They'll take their frustrations out in the form of belittling and pulling rank. Then shit will go from "our" to "mine" real quick. "You using up MY electricity". "You eating up MY food". "You using MY car". Etc etc. Why run the risk just to get emasculated like that?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

if a black man cant find a job even with a degree....will the black woman take care of him once she starts caking?

if a black man loses his job and must depend on his woman...will she stand by him thru it all AND build him up?

over the years i have heard so many stories of how sisters shit on black men who stood with them, paid for their education, supported them, nurtured them only for it to not matter once SHE starts making money. and then blame it on the man for not looking hard enough. but when the shoes on the other foot...let a man say that...

i mean i can go some many places in this convo.

Men loosewhen we fall on gard financial times.. women will emasculate him and leave. But she wants a man to help and take care of her when she is on hard times... then the same feminist who want equality will defend it and hide behind gender roles...

you are right....

just with so many families relocating to my area in swiss......

the few black couples we met shit went like this.

two couples following the career of their wife....as i did too.

two black men trying to find jobs in switzerland aint easy.

so one woman sent her man back to the states to find a job. yes, you read right...sent her man back to the states.

the other dude....she told him he cant spend HER money. now this dude been taking care of her since college...he gave up all his shit in the states to move here with her. he couldnt pick up the same type steam and had to lean on his lady. she told him he could not spend her money...so they got divorced. an now she realizes her mistake but is too proud to admit it.

now all the white people here.....who followed their wifes career.....these dudes been unemployed for 10 plus years...wife just paying the bills an these dudes out drinking and "raising" the kids. never understood how you can raise kids when they in a swiss boarding school but whatever.

the asians and indians dont even bring they wives....they huddle up in a apartment. like 10 of them in an apartment....sharing....these dudes making like 150k ch a year. and sharing an apartment and sending all the money back home. they bring the wife to visit get an hotel room...an when she gone they back in the apartment.

so i look at that some type of way.

im thankful i didnt have to go thru it ...but it does make me wonder.

but i feel bad for the black dudes. they gave up careers to follow they wife an they wife abandoned them cause they couldnt find jobs.

and the one chick just got married not even a year an already looking to creep with her higher up.

thats fukked up..

thru thick and thin....or relocation

i tel people all the time.....make syre you understand what going to the motherland means...cause some people cant make it work in one of the riches countries on the planet....how you think its gonna work in a country still coming up.

Their first mistake was following their woman to another continent. Are we forgetting whose supposed to be leading here? Women (for the most part) do not want to take care of no man period. That's off putting to them

i get what you saying...but why apply for a job across seas?

i am sure they had to speak about it at some point before they moved.

shit wasnt some shock.

the problem is when certain women have too much power.

Unless those men had a job lined up waiting for them why move? The women had jobs lined up for them there though I bet. As far as women goes most women even those that are meek and humble will eventually become frustrated and annoyed by a grown man laying up in the house all day while she's out working. They'll take their frustrations out in the form of belittling and pulling rank. Then shit will go from "our" to "mine" real quick. "You using up MY electricity". "You eating up MY food". "You using MY car". Etc etc. Why run the risk just to get emasculated like that?

i get what you saying.....

but here the thing...why must it get to that point?

regardless if someone moved abroad to support the person whos career is ahead and so the sacrifice is made.

what if a nigga who didnt move got laid off tomorrow? and the way shit is now...might not be able to find work?

so does the woman now have the right to pull rank and say what is hers?

what if a nigga got into a car accident, and was knocked out of work for a while...does the rank system still come into play?

its not about where you move...its about what is right no matter where you are.

this is a sticky point when people talk about marriage ....you dont know who you married until one has everything going for them and the other doesnt. will that person stick by you an not make you feel like shit?

i seen many men support their wives but no where near as many women support they man.

an it always comes back to money giving them power..or what they think is power.

 

[5th Letter]

if a black man cant find a job even with a degree....will the black woman take care of him once she starts caking?

if a black man loses his job and must depend on his woman...will she stand by him thru it all AND build him up?

over the years i have heard so many stories of how sisters shit on black men who stood with them, paid for their education, supported them, nurtured them only for it to not matter once SHE starts making money. and then blame it on the man for not looking hard enough. but when the shoes on the other foot...let a man say that...

i mean i can go some many places in this convo.

Men loosewhen we fall on gard financial times.. women will emasculate him and leave. But she wants a man to help and take care of her when she is on hard times... then the same feminist who want equality will defend it and hide behind gender roles...

you are right....

just with so many families relocating to my area in swiss......

the few black couples we met shit went like this.

two couples following the career of their wife....as i did too.

two black men trying to find jobs in switzerland aint easy.

so one woman sent her man back to the states to find a job. yes, you read right...sent her man back to the states.

the other dude....she told him he cant spend HER money. now this dude been taking care of her since college...he gave up all his shit in the states to move here with her. he couldnt pick up the same type steam and had to lean on his lady. she told him he could not spend her money...so they got divorced. an now she realizes her mistake but is too proud to admit it.

now all the white people here.....who followed their wifes career.....these dudes been unemployed for 10 plus years...wife just paying the bills an these dudes out drinking and "raising" the kids. never understood how you can raise kids when they in a swiss boarding school but whatever.

the asians and indians dont even bring they wives....they huddle up in a apartment. like 10 of them in an apartment....sharing....these dudes making like 150k ch a year. and sharing an apartment and sending all the money back home. they bring the wife to visit get an hotel room...an when she gone they back in the apartment.

so i look at that some type of way.

im thankful i didnt have to go thru it ...but it does make me wonder.

but i feel bad for the black dudes. they gave up careers to follow they wife an they wife abandoned them cause they couldnt find jobs.

and the one chick just got married not even a year an already looking to creep with her higher up.

thats fukked up..

thru thick and thin....or relocation

i tel people all the time.....make syre you understand what going to the motherland means...cause some people cant make it work in one of the riches countries on the planet....how you think its gonna work in a country still coming up.

Their first mistake was following their woman to another continent. Are we forgetting whose supposed to be leading here? Women (for the most part) do not want to take care of no man period. That's off putting to them

i get what you saying...but why apply for a job across seas?

i am sure they had to speak about it at some point before they moved.

shit wasnt some shock.

the problem is when certain women have too much power.

Unless those men had a job lined up waiting for them why move? The women had jobs lined up for them there though I bet. As far as women goes most women even those that are meek and humble will eventually become frustrated and annoyed by a grown man laying up in the house all day while she's out working. They'll take their frustrations out in the form of belittling and pulling rank. Then shit will go from "our" to "mine" real quick. "You using up MY electricity". "You eating up MY food". "You using MY car". Etc etc. Why run the risk just to get emasculated like that?

i get what you saying.....

but here the thing...why must it get to that point?

regardless if someone moved abroad to support the person whos career is ahead and so the sacrifice is made.

what if a nigga who didnt move got laid off tomorrow? and the way shit is now...might not be able to find work?

so does the woman now have the right to pull rank and say what is hers?

what if a nigga got into a car accident, and was knocked out of work for a while...does the rank system still come into play?

its not about where you move...its about what is right no matter where you are.

this is a sticky point when people talk about marriage ....you dont know who you married until one has everything going for them and the other doesnt. will that person stick by you an not make you feel like shit?

i seen many men support their wives but no where near as many women support they man.

an it always comes back to money giving them power..or what they think is power.

I'm not saying if it's right or wrong, that's just how it is. Men are conditioned to provide and lead their household. Women are conditioned to nurture. So naturally a woman will grow resentment if her husband isn't doing what he's conditioned to do. Men will have no issues (for the most part) taking care of his woman. Honestly outside of him getting sick/ill there's no other scenario where a woman would absolutely have zero issues with taking care of a man. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's nature. You don't ask how a bird can fly right?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

if a black man cant find a job even with a degree....will the black woman take care of him once she starts caking?

if a black man loses his job and must depend on his woman...will she stand by him thru it all AND build him up?

over the years i have heard so many stories of how sisters shit on black men who stood with them, paid for their education, supported them, nurtured them only for it to not matter once SHE starts making money. and then blame it on the man for not looking hard enough. but when the shoes on the other foot...let a man say that...

i mean i can go some many places in this convo.

Men loosewhen we fall on gard financial times.. women will emasculate him and leave. But she wants a man to help and take care of her when she is on hard times... then the same feminist who want equality will defend it and hide behind gender roles...

you are right....

just with so many families relocating to my area in swiss......

the few black couples we met shit went like this.

two couples following the career of their wife....as i did too.

two black men trying to find jobs in switzerland aint easy.

so one woman sent her man back to the states to find a job. yes, you read right...sent her man back to the states.

the other dude....she told him he cant spend HER money. now this dude been taking care of her since college...he gave up all his shit in the states to move here with her. he couldnt pick up the same type steam and had to lean on his lady. she told him he could not spend her money...so they got divorced. an now she realizes her mistake but is too proud to admit it.

now all the white people here.....who followed their wifes career.....these dudes been unemployed for 10 plus years...wife just paying the bills an these dudes out drinking and "raising" the kids. never understood how you can raise kids when they in a swiss boarding school but whatever.

the asians and indians dont even bring they wives....they huddle up in a apartment. like 10 of them in an apartment....sharing....these dudes making like 150k ch a year. and sharing an apartment and sending all the money back home. they bring the wife to visit get an hotel room...an when she gone they back in the apartment.

so i look at that some type of way.

im thankful i didnt have to go thru it ...but it does make me wonder.

but i feel bad for the black dudes. they gave up careers to follow they wife an they wife abandoned them cause they couldnt find jobs.

and the one chick just got married not even a year an already looking to creep with her higher up.

thats fukked up..

thru thick and thin....or relocation

i tel people all the time.....make syre you understand what going to the motherland means...cause some people cant make it work in one of the riches countries on the planet....how you think its gonna work in a country still coming up.

Their first mistake was following their woman to another continent. Are we forgetting whose supposed to be leading here? Women (for the most part) do not want to take care of no man period. That's off putting to them

i get what you saying...but why apply for a job across seas?

i am sure they had to speak about it at some point before they moved.

shit wasnt some shock.

the problem is when certain women have too much power.

Unless those men had a job lined up waiting for them why move? The women had jobs lined up for them there though I bet. As far as women goes most women even those that are meek and humble will eventually become frustrated and annoyed by a grown man laying up in the house all day while she's out working. They'll take their frustrations out in the form of belittling and pulling rank. Then shit will go from "our" to "mine" real quick. "You using up MY electricity". "You eating up MY food". "You using MY car". Etc etc. Why run the risk just to get emasculated like that?

i get what you saying.....

but here the thing...why must it get to that point?

regardless if someone moved abroad to support the person whos career is ahead and so the sacrifice is made.

what if a nigga who didnt move got laid off tomorrow? and the way shit is now...might not be able to find work?

so does the woman now have the right to pull rank and say what is hers?

what if a nigga got into a car accident, and was knocked out of work for a while...does the rank system still come into play?

its not about where you move...its about what is right no matter where you are.

this is a sticky point when people talk about marriage ....you dont know who you married until one has everything going for them and the other doesnt. will that person stick by you an not make you feel like shit?

i seen many men support their wives but no where near as many women support they man.

an it always comes back to money giving them power..or what they think is power.

I'm not saying if it's right or wrong, that's just how it is. Men are conditioned to provide and lead their household. Women are conditioned to nurture. So naturally a woman will grow resentment if her husband isn't doing what he's conditioned to do. Men will have no issues (for the most part) taking care of his woman. Honestly outside of him getting sick/ill there's no other scenario where a woman would absolutely have zero issues with taking care of a man. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's nature. You don't ask how a bird can fly right?

An like I said ...i see it more in this enviroment with black women.

This ain't about nature...this is about being selfish

 

[aneed123]

black women from birth are spoiled in this country.... they want to spend her man, her daddy, her friends money on her... help with her bills call them in emergencies for help.... expects her nigga to pay her bills while all her own money goes to fun , clothes, wants etc... a woman will have no shame asking anyone for help but God forbid the man needs help... he becomes a broke sorry nigga that she dont have time for anymore.... I peeped game as a younth having a sister and mother and a bunch or pretty female cousin/family members.. they will never take responsibility or acknowledge it but pretty women get by in life off they looks and are users.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

black women from birth are spoiled in this country.... they want to spend her man, her daddy, her friends money on her... help with her bills call them in emergencies for help.... expects her nigga to pay her bills while all her own money goes to fun , clothes, wants etc... a woman will have no shame asking anyone for help but God forbid the man needs help... he becomes a broke sorry nigga that she dont have time for anymore.... I peeped game as a younth having a sister and mother and a bunch or pretty female cousin/family members.. they will never take responsibility or acknowledge it but pretty women get by in life off they looks and are users.

You are right.

I have seen an heard women spend all their money on themselves an have they man bail them out...but when the man needs her last...she makes sure to let him know she broke because of him.

 

[D. Morgan]

Sounds like some of these men need to pick better non-selfish women who really down for the ride through thick and thin. If they not then the men need to move on cause its extremely rare a selfish person is going to change their ways. Just like some of these women need to pick better men to shack up and procreate with. Just like a woman can have all the college degrees and education in the world but its quite obvious she ain't that smart if she fucking and getting pregnant by a ain't shit man. Nobody to talk bad about or blame in those situations but yourself. Anything else is bullshit and excuse making.

Most people know the folks who the fucking with ain't about shit but continue to deal with that person for whatever reason. Most times its out of convenience. Then someone either catches feelings, gets pregnant or both. Those feelings nor the pregnancy changes that person from being the ain't shit person they been the whole time they've been doing what they've been doing together.

Men and women need to just take responsibility for their fucked up relationship choices and either stay or move the fuck on and stop trying to blame the other person for the decisions said person made for themselves.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Some of y'all are starting to do the same shit these feminists are doing. We need to stop using these stupid stereotypes to attack each other.