Would Jay-Z be the GOAT if he just stopped at the Black Album?

[GunTown]

Lets play that shit in the club! .- Said no eminem fan, ever.

This is why Kanye is 10 x > eminem

Superman

So Bad

Shake It

Crack A Bottle

Business

Smack That

>>>>>>>Any Kanye club song

Eminem's record sales, diamond plaques, grammy awards, oscar award, first week sales, global fan base>>>>>Anything Kanye has ever done

This why Em is 100 x>>>>>>Kanye

 

[power_wisdom]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

No she isn't for the reasons described there

However Singing is harder to do than Rapping. Singing requires more talent than Rapping

It is harder to sing than make words rhyme together like Jay Z or any other rappers that just spits bars does

Let's stick to the hip-hop genre as i said B.o.B not only raps, he sings, he plays an instrument, he produces, majority of his songs have substance

Jay Z is a Rapper and an MC

B.o.B is an Artist/Muscian as well as a Rapper

If it's so easy why isn't everyone able to do it at a high level? I respect any artist that can do multiple things but to say just because you only rap you can't be a legend is absurd.

You have a preference and an agenda, that's obvious but don't try to make your delusional opinion fact

I'll give u an example Joe Budden himself said rapping making words rhyme is easy and anyone can do it

I said u can't be a music legend but u can be a rap legend if u just rap

Can everyone do it at the complex and high level no they can't no

But compared to

Singing

Playing Instruments

Producing

Dancing

Rapping is the easiest to do

By your logic every singer should be able to write. It should easier to write a r&b song because it don't rhyme, right? Mcs have to flow with the beat. Freestyle, battle, and write.

 

[GunTown]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

No she isn't for the reasons described there

However Singing is harder to do than Rapping. Singing requires more talent than Rapping

It is harder to sing than make words rhyme together like Jay Z or any other rappers that just spits bars does

Let's stick to the hip-hop genre as i said B.o.B not only raps, he sings, he plays an instrument, he produces, majority of his songs have substance

Jay Z is a Rapper and an MC

B.o.B is an Artist/Muscian as well as a Rapper

If it's so easy why isn't everyone able to do it at a high level? I respect any artist that can do multiple things but to say just because you only rap you can't be a legend is absurd.

You have a preference and an agenda, that's obvious but don't try to make your delusional opinion fact

I'll give u an example Joe Budden himself said rapping making words rhyme is easy and anyone can do it

I said u can't be a music legend but u can be a rap legend if u just rap

Can everyone do it at the complex and high level no they can't no

But compared to

Singing

Playing Instruments

Producing

Dancing

Rapping is the easiest to do

By your logic every singer should be able to write. It should easier to write a r&b song because it don't rhyme, right? Mcs have to flow with the beat. Freestyle, battle, and write.

I expect and respect singers who write their songs

And no writing singing songs be it pop, rnb, reggae, soul is harder to do than rap

 

[power_wisdom]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

No she isn't for the reasons described there

However Singing is harder to do than Rapping. Singing requires more talent than Rapping

It is harder to sing than make words rhyme together like Jay Z or any other rappers that just spits bars does

Let's stick to the hip-hop genre as i said B.o.B not only raps, he sings, he plays an instrument, he produces, majority of his songs have substance

Jay Z is a Rapper and an MC

B.o.B is an Artist/Muscian as well as a Rapper

If it's so easy why isn't everyone able to do it at a high level? I respect any artist that can do multiple things but to say just because you only rap you can't be a legend is absurd.

You have a preference and an agenda, that's obvious but don't try to make your delusional opinion fact

I'll give u an example Joe Budden himself said rapping making words rhyme is easy and anyone can do it

I said u can't be a music legend but u can be a rap legend if u just rap

Can everyone do it at the complex and high level no they can't no

But compared to

Singing

Playing Instruments

Producing

Dancing

Rapping is the easiest to do

By your logic every singer should be able to write. It should easier to write a r&b song because it don't rhyme, right? Mcs have to flow with the beat. Freestyle, battle, and write.

I expect and respect singers who write their songs

And no writing singing songs be it pop, rnb, reggae, soul is harder to do than rap

How you figure. It's all writing to music. Hip hop you have to rhyme and make sense.

 

[GunTown]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

No she isn't for the reasons described there

However Singing is harder to do than Rapping. Singing requires more talent than Rapping

It is harder to sing than make words rhyme together like Jay Z or any other rappers that just spits bars does

Let's stick to the hip-hop genre as i said B.o.B not only raps, he sings, he plays an instrument, he produces, majority of his songs have substance

Jay Z is a Rapper and an MC

B.o.B is an Artist/Muscian as well as a Rapper

If it's so easy why isn't everyone able to do it at a high level? I respect any artist that can do multiple things but to say just because you only rap you can't be a legend is absurd.

You have a preference and an agenda, that's obvious but don't try to make your delusional opinion fact

I'll give u an example Joe Budden himself said rapping making words rhyme is easy and anyone can do it

I said u can't be a music legend but u can be a rap legend if u just rap

Can everyone do it at the complex and high level no they can't no

But compared to

Singing

Playing Instruments

Producing

Dancing

Rapping is the easiest to do

By your logic every singer should be able to write. It should easier to write a r&b song because it don't rhyme, right? Mcs have to flow with the beat. Freestyle, battle, and write.

I expect and respect singers who write their songs

And no writing singing songs be it pop, rnb, reggae, soul is harder to do than rap

How you figure. It's all writing to music. Hip hop you have to rhyme and make sense.

Hip-Hop Artists that are great song writers -

Eminem

Z-Ro

50 Cent

B.o.B

Max B

Devin The Dude

Chamillionaire

Wiz Khalifa

Kid Cudi

Bone Thugs

Rich Homie Quan

Young Thug

Kendrick Lamar

 

[power_wisdom]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

No she isn't for the reasons described there

However Singing is harder to do than Rapping. Singing requires more talent than Rapping

It is harder to sing than make words rhyme together like Jay Z or any other rappers that just spits bars does

Let's stick to the hip-hop genre as i said B.o.B not only raps, he sings, he plays an instrument, he produces, majority of his songs have substance

Jay Z is a Rapper and an MC

B.o.B is an Artist/Muscian as well as a Rapper

If it's so easy why isn't everyone able to do it at a high level? I respect any artist that can do multiple things but to say just because you only rap you can't be a legend is absurd.

You have a preference and an agenda, that's obvious but don't try to make your delusional opinion fact

I'll give u an example Joe Budden himself said rapping making words rhyme is easy and anyone can do it

I said u can't be a music legend but u can be a rap legend if u just rap

Can everyone do it at the complex and high level no they can't no

But compared to

Singing

Playing Instruments

Producing

Dancing

Rapping is the easiest to do

By your logic every singer should be able to write. It should easier to write a r&b song because it don't rhyme, right? Mcs have to flow with the beat. Freestyle, battle, and write.

I expect and respect singers who write their songs

And no writing singing songs be it pop, rnb, reggae, soul is harder to do than rap

How you figure. It's all writing to music. Hip hop you have to rhyme and make sense.

Hip-Hop Artists that are great song writers -

Eminem

Z-Ro

50 Cent

B.o.B

Max B

Devin The Dude

Chamillionaire

Wiz Khalifa

Kid Cudi

Bone Thugs

Rich Homie Quan

Young Thug

Kendrick Lamar

You remind me of a old white guy that don't think Rock, Pop or R&B is music.

 

[texasdaking88]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

No she isn't for the reasons described there

However Singing is harder to do than Rapping. Singing requires more talent than Rapping

It is harder to sing than make words rhyme together like Jay Z or any other rappers that just spits bars does

Let's stick to the hip-hop genre as i said B.o.B not only raps, he sings, he plays an instrument, he produces, majority of his songs have substance

Jay Z is a Rapper and an MC

B.o.B is an Artist/Muscian as well as a Rapper

After seeing this post right here, this should be the last time niggas interact with Shady team.. I been knew what was up when I got a message in my inbox telling me how Marvin Gaye ain't shit

 

[5 Grand]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

Nosign. Mariah Carey writes all of her music. She doesn't use ghost writers.

 

[L.O.S.T.]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

Nosign. Mariah Carey writes all of her music. She doesn't use ghost writers.

My bad. Was just using her as an example

 

[Busta Carmichael]

I fucks with guntown

 

[JokerzWyld]

I never considered Jay-Z to be the GOAT. I can appreciate his rapping ability, but he hasn't done anything to push the genre forward. When was Jay ever a trendsetter? His content was redundant, his concepts were ok, but again, nothing new. I do like the Black Album & Reasonable Doubt enough to call them classic albums, but thats not enough to be GOAT. You have to have positive impact on the culture of Hip Hop, and Jay has not done that artistically or otherwise.

 

[kingblaze84]

American Gangster is a classic, that's the album that had me putting Jay-Z in my top 2. Jay-Z has dropped tons of hot songs after Black Album, his music hasn't always been great the last few years and Magna Carta was lazy but even his weaker albums are better then 90% of the new shit coming out now

Jay-Z's legend (lyrically) probably grew more after American Gangster, which I personally think is better then Black Album

 

[kingblaze84]

i never t thought the black album was all that...i fuck with am gangster way more

overall i think jay still dropping good music

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Black Album wasnt all that, it's a good album but Jay has plenty of other albums better

 

[eternal soldier]

Unpopular opinion but i enjoy listening to Black Album more than Blueprint now - Dec 04 is my jam

I agree with this. I'd say BA is better than Blueprint musically.

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

He's the most overrated rapper of all time

 

[BrazilianHairMoney]

rap is a hustle yall

cormega_

 

[Mr.LV]

i never t thought the black album was all that...i fuck with am gangster way more

overall i think jay still dropping good music

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Black Album wasnt all that, it's a good album but Jay has plenty of other albums better

American Gangster is better than the black album to me as well

 

[KneeGro_DuperMan]

He'd have a way better chance, but I would still say no

 

[GunTown]

no

 

[THE_R_]

THE ONLY GEM HE TRULY BLESSED US WITH POST-"RETIREMENT" WAS AMERICAN GANGSTER...

KINGDOM COME, BP3 & MCHG ARE TOO WILLIAMSBURG FOR ME...