Would Jay-Z be the GOAT if he just stopped at the Black Album?

[dalyricalbandit]

Unpopular opinion but i enjoy listening to Black Album more than Blueprint now - Dec 04 is my jam

im with u on this i find myself playin it more than Blueprint

 

[iron man1]

Allure>>

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

Not my favorite but one of my favorites. his legacy is already set. also American gangster is one of my favorite albums of the decade so Im kinda glad he didnt stop......and all the other post retirement albums had some great tracks on it also and he still killing other rappers on they shit, ask ross and jeezy. his guest spots on those jay electronica songs are epic too. dude still got it if you ask me

and since that shadyteam slutbag is back why dont yall ask why eminems punk ass didnt retire after eminem show

jay been dropping dog shit, get your poopa scooper.

That sounds like some corny ass punchline eminem would say these days

 

[GunTown]

Reasonable Doubt - 7/10

Volume 1 - 5/10

Volume 2 - 3/10

Volume 3 - 3/10

The Dynasty - 2/10

The Blueprint - 6/10

The Blueprint 2 - 3/10

The Black Album - 5/10

Kingdom Come - 1/10

The Blueprint 3 - 2/10

American Gangster - 4.5/10

Magna Carter Holy Grail - 2/10

Strictly as far as lyricisim and spittin he is top 5 though

The production on his albums>>>>>>the lyrics

The RnB singers who feature hooks>>>>>Jay Z's verses

 

[CP203]

Nigga been hip-hop's flagship artist for over a decade that's some goat shit, he's not even my favorite rapper but gotta respect it

 

[mryounggun]

If we're being honest, he's the GOAT anyway. And it's not close.

Just my $00.02

 

[P. Town]

He dropped a classic after The Black Album with American Gangster and in my opinion Kingdom Come, Blueprint 3, MCHG are not bad albums, just the lowest in Jay-Z catalog

 

[no2fuks]

He still the GOAT rapper, & even in his flabby & sick state he still an elite rapper & lyricist w/ the GOAT flow...:umad:

BP3 & KC are both good 3/5 jawns, AG & WTT are 5/5 classics featuring Hov's two best post-retirement performances, & MCHG is great 4/5 album feat Hov's most introspective & personal content yet...:umad:

Let's not even talk about the plethora of features he's bodied :umad:

Shit, Hov such a beast his post-retirement career shits on most rappers' primes in terms of both skill displayed & music released, & that's despite it featuring his 2 worst albums...:umad:

KC - BP3 he was sorta shaky, but post BP3 he's been on some other shit & solidified his GOATness even more :umad:

Hova Da Gawd :umad:

 

[just.might.b.ok]

Say LL Cool J if he stopped before 14 Shots to Dome and you'd have a better thread.

 

[GunTown]

Not my favorite but one of my favorites. his legacy is already set. also American gangster is one of my favorite albums of the decade so Im kinda glad he didnt stop......and all the other post retirement albums had some great tracks on it also and he still killing other rappers on they shit, ask ross and jeezy. his guest spots on those jay electronica songs are epic too. dude still got it if you ask me

and since that shadyteam slutbag is back why dont yall ask why eminems punk ass didnt retire after eminem show

jay been dropping dog shit,

100% truth

 

[9TRAY]

He's one of the G.O.A.T.'s now... Your point, B?

 

[manofmorehouse]

I have a theory with Hov and the other greats. Once you drop your first classic , u can never have a good album anymore, at least not with the masses. You have to either continue dropping classics (which is impossible) or u "fall off". The fact (whether yall want to admit it or not) that niggas are out here checking for Stalley, Wale, Cole (even though he's dope as fuck), Asap, etc. but say Jay is wack speaks to a level of hate that borders insanity. If any of the aforementioned niggas dropped MCHG or WTT, niggas would be trying to elevate them as that next nigga up. Drake drop an album full of cotton balls and niggas lose they mind. Hov been the GOAT. He been Jordan, at least to me.

 

[L.O.S.T.]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

 

[GunTown]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

No she isn't for the reasons described there

However Singing is harder to do than Rapping. Singing requires more talent than Rapping

It is harder to sing than make words rhyme together like Jay Z or any other rappers that just spits bars does

Let's stick to the hip-hop genre as i said B.o.B not only raps, he sings, he plays an instrument, he produces, majority of his songs have substance

Jay Z is a Rapper and an MC

B.o.B is an Artist/Muscian as well as a Rapper

 

[L.O.S.T.]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

No she isn't for the reasons described there

However Singing is harder to do than Rapping. Singing requires more talent than Rapping

It is harder to sing than make words rhyme together like Jay Z or any other rappers that just spits bars does

Let's stick to the hip-hop genre as i said B.o.B not only raps, he sings, he plays an instrument, he produces, majority of his songs have substance

Jay Z is a Rapper and an MC

B.o.B is an Artist/Muscian as well as a Rapper

If it's so easy why isn't everyone able to do it at a high level? I respect any artist that can do multiple things but to say just because you only rap you can't be a legend is absurd.

You have a preference and an agenda, that's obvious but don't try to make your delusional opinion fact

 

[GunTown]

Even outside of music Jay Z can't act, can't design clothes

You've had so many rappers succesful at acting like 2pac, LL Cool J, Eminem, DMX, Will Smith, Snoop Dogg etc

I 100% gurantee u deep down Jay Z is embarassed he worth 300 million but all he can do and all he ever done is rhyme word play, double entrendres, punchlines, similie's, metaphors, multi's, battle raps and freestyle

Making words rhyme together is not hard

 

[_Lefty]

Jay is better lyrically now than he was then if you ask me. Had he stopped there 2 of his last 3 was pretty much classic, 1 being certified. Much of his Goat status comes away from the mic. He's not a top 5 MC if you account for just his lyrics.

 

[GunTown]

At this point it's building your legacy and becoming more than just a ''hiphop'' legend but a ''music'' legend.

A rapper like Jay Z or any other rapper that just spits bars be it Jadakiss, Canibus, Fabolous, Slaughterhouse, Nas, Rakim, Kool G Rap, Big Pun, Big L, Talib Kweli, Jay Electronica etc can never be a music legend or will ever in a billion years be accepted as 1 as they just rhyme bars don't do anything besides rap

To be a music legend u have to offer musicality and be diverse and creative artists like Eminem, B.o.B, Kid Cudi etc who not only rap but sing too, perform their own hooks singing them, produce, even sing in verses sometimes

Jay Z fan base is also 99% males

There has never been a pure rapper who is a hip-hop purists fave that will be a music legend and it will never happen

Rapping bars using very complex double entendres, word play, punchline, multi's, rhyme schemes, similies, metaphors about Mafiaso content just making words rhyme for a living is and never will be enough to be a music legend

So using your logic, a singer like Mariah Carey, who only sings, doesn't write, doesn't produce isn't a music legend because she ONLY sings?

No she isn't for the reasons described there

However Singing is harder to do than Rapping. Singing requires more talent than Rapping

It is harder to sing than make words rhyme together like Jay Z or any other rappers that just spits bars does

Let's stick to the hip-hop genre as i said B.o.B not only raps, he sings, he plays an instrument, he produces, majority of his songs have substance

Jay Z is a Rapper and an MC

B.o.B is an Artist/Muscian as well as a Rapper

If it's so easy why isn't everyone able to do it at a high level? I respect any artist that can do multiple things but to say just because you only rap you can't be a legend is absurd.

You have a preference and an agenda, that's obvious but don't try to make your delusional opinion fact

I'll give u an example Joe Budden himself said rapping making words rhyme is easy and anyone can do it

I said u can't be a music legend but u can be a rap legend if u just rap

Can everyone do it at the complex and high level no they can't no

But compared to

Singing

Playing Instruments

Producing

Dancing

Rapping is the easiest to do

 

[L.O.S.T.]

Even outside of music Jay Z can't act, can't design clothes

You've had so many rappers succesful at acting like 2pac, LL Cool J, Eminem, DMX, Will Smith, Snoop Dogg etc

I 100% gurantee u deep down Jay Z is embarassed he worth 300 million but all he can do and all he ever done is rhyme word play, double entrendres, punchlines, similie's, metaphors, multi's, battle raps and freestyle

Making words rhyme together is not hard

That's the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard. Embarrassed? Really? You are 100% positive about this?

 

[just.might.b.ok]

Lets play that shit in the club! .- Said no eminem fan, ever.

This is why Kanye is 10 x > eminem