Rocafella vs Cash Money: Did Lil Wayne make the right decision?

[soul rattler]

He was better off without the ROC. They tanked shortly after.

Rocafella didn't tank. Jay Z got tired of Def Jam's bullshit and left. He was in the midst of restructuring after the Dame split. You had Jay, Kanye, Jada, plus Young Gunz to begin with. That's not a bad starting point.

 

[soul rattler]

He was better off without the ROC. They tanked shortly after.

The Roc's success is based on Dame Dash

Dame was the 1 that signed Kanye West and Camron the only platinum selling rappers in the Roc's history. He is the one who also signed Beanie Sigel

Dame was the business he ran the the label and handeled at the CEO and business aspects

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to kill this decade old retarded argument that Rocafella wouldn't have succeeded without Dame's business acumen.

Dame played his role with the Roc. He wasn't an artist. He has no artistic talent to speak of. Seeing what Jay was able to do without Dame is proof enough that if Dame wasn't there, Jay would have figured something out.

That's like saying without Shaq, Kobe wouldn't have won. But Kobe won a championship without Shaq so even though Shaq played an important role, he wasn't the difference between Kobe winning a ring or not.

 

[janklow]

-and Big Sean(who I think is a top tier talent like Drake and Nicki)

i question this analysis

 

[bununs alias]

Had he gone the Roc-A-Fella route he wouldn't have been able to bring artists in the game..and one could argue that bringing Nicki Minaj and Drake to the table helped sustain his relevance

jay-z's track record for building artist is pretty horrid, how soon you all forget.
https://vimeo.com/1256407

wayne would of been another nigga standing in the back of his rocafella reunion concert

 

[FishNChips]

Dame would've been the one stealing his checks instead of birdman

 

[soul rattler]

Had he gone the Roc-A-Fella route he wouldn't have been able to bring artists in the game..and one could argue that bringing Nicki Minaj and Drake to the table helped sustain his relevance

jay-z's track record for building artist is pretty horrid, how soon you all forget.
https://vimeo.com/1256407

wayne would of been another nigga standing in the back of his rocafella reunion concert

Who in State Property is more talented and commercially viable as Lollipop era Lil Wayne?

 

[bununs alias]

Had he gone the Roc-A-Fella route he wouldn't have been able to bring artists in the game..and one could argue that bringing Nicki Minaj and Drake to the table helped sustain his relevance

jay-z's track record for building artist is pretty horrid, how soon you all forget.
https://vimeo.com/1256407

wayne would of been another nigga standing in the back of his rocafella reunion concert

Who in State Property is more talented and commercially viable as Lollipop era Lil Wayne?

i dont believe wayne would of developed into the artist you speak of, would jas prince still have brought drake to wayne ? would we be crediting nicki to wayne or jay-z ? all this while jay-z was about to bounce ?

 

[Stiff]

Had he gone the Roc-A-Fella route he wouldn't have been able to bring artists in the game..and one could argue that bringing Nicki Minaj and Drake to the table helped sustain his relevance

Drake and Nicki definitely sustained Wayne because he could release an album, step back and let them wave his flag for him with their albums, then come right back and do it all over again.

But how would he not have been able to bring in new talent? Kanye did it. Ross did it. Jeezy and Ludacris had potential to do it, and they were/are all on Def Jam.

Ross, Jeezy, and Ludacris all had their own deals directly through Def-Jam…they didn't sign through a subsidiary like Wayne would have done it(Universal/Def Jam/ Roc-A-Fella). You got it with Kanye though..but who's to say how Wayne would've landed when Roc-A-Fella crumbled?

 

[soul rattler]

Had he gone the Roc-A-Fella route he wouldn't have been able to bring artists in the game..and one could argue that bringing Nicki Minaj and Drake to the table helped sustain his relevance

jay-z's track record for building artist is pretty horrid, how soon you all forget.
https://vimeo.com/1256407

wayne would of been another nigga standing in the back of his rocafella reunion concert

Who in State Property is more talented and commercially viable as Lollipop era Lil Wayne?

i dont believe wayne would of developed into the artist you speak of, would jas prince still have brought drake to wayne ? would we be crediting nicki to wayne or jay-z ? all this while jay-z was about to bounce ?

Remember, Jay Z tried to sign Drake too. If Kanye, Camron, and State Property are any indication of what artists under Rocafella were capable of accomplishing, I don't see why anyone would doubt what Wayne would have done with the Roc. With that being said, I think it's safe to say that with Jay and Wayne on the same label, Drake would have definitely gone there.

Again, I don't think they would've given Nicki Minaj a chance. The female rapper had been tried so many times at Def Jam with limited success: Amil, Eve, Foxy Brown, Shawnna... Nicki Minaj was a gamble that worked out for Wayne. Now, let's say she did end up on Rocafella instead of Bricksquad, I don't think it would've mattered who brought her in between Jay and Wayne, just like no one cares that Dame showed the most interest in Kanye.

 

[S2J]

Wayne probably should have signed to the Roc. We could have had a decade of Lil' Wayne/Manny Fresh/Kanye West/No ID/Swiss Beatz/Jay-Z collaborations at this point and plus it seems like Jay is cooler with his artists breaking off from him and prospering still

Wayne, Jay and Ye are 3 of my favorites alltime, but I wasnt impressed with any Wayne collaborations with Ye or Hov. He did it right, he was his own man and cemented his own legacy.

Kanye produced Comfortable (Babyface. It had...Babyface) and Beat Build. You good my ngga? Lls

 

[The Recipe]

Wayne probably should have signed to the Roc. We could have had a decade of Lil' Wayne/Manny Fresh/Kanye West/No ID/Swiss Beatz/Jay-Z collaborations at this point and plus it seems like Jay is cooler with his artists breaking off from him and prospering still

Wayne, Jay and Ye are 3 of my favorites alltime, but I wasnt impressed with any Wayne collaborations with Ye or Hov. He did it right, he was his own man and cemented his own legacy.

Kanye produced Comfortable (Babyface. It had...Babyface) and Beat Build. You good my ngga? Lls

I was focusing on their collabs as far as them rapping on tracks but those were good songs you mentioned.

 

[RickyRich]

If he signed to Rocafella he would have been the second best artist on the label ever

1. Beanie Sigel

2. Lil Wayne

3. Camron

4. Freeway

5. Kanye West

Hang ya self

 

[StoneColdMikey]

Drake and nicki are the reason why lil Wayne fell off from 2010-2013

 

[StoneColdMikey]

I think Wayne would have had a jadakiss / busta rhymes type career . Where they are known but they aren't really big or mainstream

 

[Turfaholic]

He was better off without the ROC. They tanked shortly after.

Rocafella didn't tank. Jay Z got tired of Def Jam's bullshit and left. He was in the midst of restructuring after the Dame split. You had Jay, Kanye, Jada, plus Young Gunz to begin with. That's not a bad starting point.

If I recall, the split was over the Reasonable Doubt masters. Hov became top dog at Def Jam and pressed Dame for them. Dame didn't crack so Hov crushed the towers. And Rocafella did tank. The only artist that you named to drop was Kanye. I think Hov and Kanye the only artist still dropping under the rocafella logo.

 

[5th Letter]

If he signed to Rocafella he would have been the second best artist on the label ever

1. Beanie Sigel

2. Lil Wayne

3. Camron

4. Freeway

5. Kanye West

 

[The Recipe]

Lil Wayne lyrics are the reason why lil Wayne fell off from 2010-Present

Fixed.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

Lil Wayne lyrics are the reason why lil Wayne fell off from 2010-Present

Fixed.

They were the reason why his lyrics fell off. Because he just stopped caring

 

[soul rattler]

He was better off without the ROC. They tanked shortly after.

Rocafella didn't tank. Jay Z got tired of Def Jam's bullshit and left. He was in the midst of restructuring after the Dame split. You had Jay, Kanye, Jada, plus Young Gunz to begin with. That's not a bad starting point.

If I recall, the split was over the Reasonable Doubt masters. Hov became top dog at Def Jam and pressed Dame for them. Dame didn't crack so Hov crushed the towers. And Rocafella did tank. The only artist that you named to drop was Kanye. I think Hov and Kanye the only artist still dropping under the rocafella logo.

That was the split. I'm talking about when Jay left Def Jam altogether. He bought himself out for 5 million after stepping down as President.

Lil Wayne lyrics are the reason why lil Wayne fell off from 2010-Present

Fixed.

They were the reason why his lyrics fell off. Because he just stopped caring

Can't blame them. I remember the interview where he said he's no longer the best rapper alive because he had Drake and Nicki and he wanted them to surpass him. I actually liked No Ceilings in 2011 but I lost all hope for him when he put out that embarrassing Dedication 4 mixtape 2 years later.

 

[RickyRich]

I remember watchin an interview where he said he stop tryin to be the best because people still goin to buy all that weak shyt he puts out