so these burger flippers really think they deserve $15 an hour???

[Markus Garvey]

Cooks deserve $15. Everyone deserves higher wages as long as the wages are raised proportionately. I dont mind cooks making $15 but everyone needs to get a raise too. There is nothing wrong with an increase in food prices to offset it.

 

[konceptjones]

Cooks deserve $15. Everyone deserves higher wages as long as the wages are raised proportionately. I dont mind cooks making $15 but everyone needs to get a raise too. There is nothing wrong with an increase in food prices to offset it.

Trained, skilled cooks? Maybe yes (depends on the market, type of restaurant, etc)

Unskilled burger cooks? No.

I'd rather give a short order cook at a greasy spoon $15/hr than a fast food "cook". Shit, they don't even have to get a food handler's license to work in fast food!

Do the math, at $9.50/hr, minimum wage would give you more buying power than the minimum wage at any point in the last 30 years.

 

[blakfyahking]

The Mcdonalds I worked at had a full week of workbook and video training then a full week of hands on.

I had just graduated from school with a Bachelor of Science, double major and double minor maintaing a 3.0 GPA while playing football and running track and could not wrap Mcgriddles fast enough and distinguish the multiple ways to wrap a damn sandwich when it had cheese or other various items not to mention the drastic transition from breakfast to lunch. Nigga that shit was hard as fuck. You computer niggaz and yall fucking HTML and program writting aint the smartest niggaz out here yall just learn like robots. It aint hard writing programs and building websites my dude that shit come with instructions and no time limits.

wait a minute........so you got two Bachelors

but you found wrapping sandwiches and transitioning from breakfast to lunch difficult?

fam you must be bullshitting me to a high level

or did you go to some kind of flawed college? haha

what was your major in each of those degrees?

the hardest part of working fast food is being on your feet and standing over a hot grill, or washing dishes..........just plain manual labor

but you can get kids to do that shit, so why act like that makes it a skilled job?

 

[blakfyahking]

for every one that thinks corporations should be forced by legislation to pay higher wages.........

why haven't you chosen to start your own business?

^^^why do people who always think its somebody else's responsibility to provide jobs never answer the bolded?

why ain't ya'll out here creating these companies so you can pay these higher wages you think these fast food workers deserve?

that's why I can't take mofos serious when they complain about the govt needing to provide more, and criticizing the decisions of CEOs when they aren't willing to put their own skin in the game

you want to tell me how to pay my workers but you ain't willing to be a boss yourself

you are convinced you have all the answers/solutions to helping poor folk, but yet ya'll ain't willing to put your own money up or willing to build a business of your own

that don't sound hypocritical at all?

 

[perspective@100]

No, this is simply not the case, not everyone can or will advance. Those that wish to, when they get to that point of "team lead", will get that 40 hrs. From there it's assistant manager then manager. But, this only applies for those that even care to make a career out of it, something which the majority of people working there has no interest in.

How would you determine if someone plans on making a career out of it? People don't give themselves promotions and raises. It basically becomes fuck them low level peons forever, and this is why you have people protesting for higher wages. They cant advance even if they want to apparently.

Since you used the assembly line analogy, I'll take it a step further: The vast majority of assembly workers, especially in the US auto industry, never advance. They get seniority, but most do not advance off of the assembly floor. My family is deep in the UAW being from a heavy GM town (Saginaw, MI). Most of my family, from my grandfathers, father, grandmother, aunts uncles, and even my stepmother and step brother have all worked at the plants. I know so many people that worked for GM, Ford, and Chrysler that I can safely say that many who start on the line, retire on the line.

Getting seniority comes with higher pay and opportunity for higher paying positions before others of lower rank in non-management positions. I have worked in several warehouses where this was common. Even with a college degree I had to start at the bottom in a few warehouses. All the other workers are worried about the educated new employee taking the better jobs when I was not even interested. Fact is, for those particular labor positions education meant nothing and they would have been justified in advancing other employees with seniority to higher paying positions before me. Anyway, some of the laborers there did that as there career or wanted to, and had no interest of doing anything else. There was a yearly raise and bonuses based on production. Cant say Mickey D's has that in their job progression but then again I was only there 3 months. Like I said though some employees had been there 25 plus years and I assumed they topped out at pay rate a long time ago. Some companies I worked for give low level employees unlimited raise potential which is amazing when you think about it. So they too will never advance but the amount of potential earnings will be more than sufficient keeping up with the ever changing economy.

I've said repeatedly that minimum should be raised to $9.50/hr.

Let's be real though. I graduated high school in 1990 at a time when minimum wage was $3.80/hr (the following year it was raised to $4.25/hr). Gas was $.89-.99 a gallon, and a combo at McDonalds was $3.

If we follow inflation, $1 back then has the same buying power as $1.79 in 2013, but this is not always the case (i.e. artificially inflated prices on gasoline). That same $3 Big Mac combo from 1990 is now ~$5.69, a few cents more than where it should be ($~5.39). Most thing have gone up along the same line as inflation, meaning that our current minimum of $7.25 technically has exceeded the rate of inflation but not when you factor in artificially inflated prices of things like gas. If gas was where it was supposed to be ($1.79), then our current minimum would have more buying power than what the minimum wage had when I graduated did.

That said, I believe $9.50/hr should be enough for a minimum wage.

The bold might be true (if you have sources) but, either way I don't think its accurate and here is my reasoning.

I graduated high school in 1999. My first job was in September of that year at cvs aka revco. Minimum wage was $5.50 per hour and believe it or not gas was still at $.89-.99cents per gallon. Cvs was next to Mickey D's and yes the low end combo was $2.99. I remember it well. Nearly 10 years from when you graduated we have moved the minimum wage up a $1.25. So you would assume in 2009 another $1.25. No its actually $2.25 which sounds good right?

Now fast forward to 2013 roughly 13 years from 1999, Food prices have practically doubled(remember kitkat's and snickers used to be 50 cent? A quarter bag of chips was a quarter?), Gas prices have more than tripled which affects various other prices due to cost of transportation, and also jacked up things like airline tickets. Whether you call them inflated or not their affects on various other things are direct and undeniable. The tech boom hit around 2000 with cell phones costing up to $500 with a bill of like $100-150 per month for the best away from pagers which you could buy for like $50 with a bill of like $16 per month and other things such as flat screen tv's costing in the multiple thousands for the best which is still around the same level today away from tube tv's which were high end at like $500-600 dollars. Not to mention the cost of computers and these new tablets.

The buying power of a dollar in your high school time only accounts for the things you were able to purchase. There is much more product now so I don't believe you can give an accurate comparison.

To put everything in perspective minimum wage in 1990 was $4.25/hr. Everything else cost wise and price wise has doubled and tripled and with technology even hit 600% increase in amounts they are able to charge for product today. Yet minimum wage has not even doubled since then. lol Shit crazy!

Bruh, I worked at a McDonalds when I was 20. The spot was/is located just north of Detroit at about 13 Mile a block or two east of Woodward. It took me all of 30 minutes of training videos and I was behind the grill. This was coming off of almost 3 years as a car audio salesman and custom installer. I did the shit in high school as well at a Hardees off Woodward south of 9 mile for my first job ever (16 years old). Same thing: 15-30 minutes worth of videos and I was behind the grill. The shit really ain't hard at all once you do it a few times.

Who writes programs and builds websites??? Certainly you're not talking about me 'cause that ain't what I do.

What does this prove? I still had 2 full weeks of training. I was better trained than you so I should have been paid more and probably was. I never said the grill was hard at all just hot. When breakfast or lunch hit I was at a high volume Mcdonalds and unless you were a seasoned vet you would be hard pressed to keep the pace we worked at whether you were on meat or making and wrapping sandwiches.

 

[perspective@100]

The Mcdonalds I worked at had a full week of workbook and video training then a full week of hands on.

I had just graduated from school with a Bachelor of Science, double major and double minor maintaing a 3.0 GPA while playing football and running track and could not wrap Mcgriddles fast enough and distinguish the multiple ways to wrap a damn sandwich when it had cheese or other various items not to mention the drastic transition from breakfast to lunch. Nigga that shit was hard as fuck. You computer niggaz and yall fucking HTML and program writting aint the smartest niggaz out here yall just learn like robots. It aint hard writing programs and building websites my dude that shit come with instructions and no time limits.

wait a minute........so you got two Bachelors

but you found wrapping sandwiches and transitioning from breakfast to lunch difficult?

fam you must be bullshitting me to a high level

or did you go to some kind of flawed college? haha

what was your major in each of those degrees?

the hardest part of working fast food is being on your feet and standing over a hot grill, or washing dishes..........just plain manual labor

but you can get kids to do that shit, so why act like that makes it a skilled job?

lol@ the bold, And your laughing at me?

Anyway I say it was skilled because of the training I had to go through and pace at which we worked. That particular Mcdonalds was high volume, I mean like next to a high school D1 that let out for lunch and super busy breakfast. The pace was non stop and relentless. You had like 20 seconds to start a sandwich even special order and have it wrapped and ready to go or you got bumped off the line. Now take that sandwich and imagine all the combinations you get with all the different sandwiches from breakfast to lunch. This wasn't no average cheeseburger making mickey d's my dude. Hell I started at $9.00 per hour. Meat trays would not stay full until dinner slowed. The grill was non stop. Shit was sick.

 

[prettygirl_26]

LOL @ $15 dollars an hour and think that's living.....in NY. $15/hr is decent.....somehwere else. Not in NY...sorry.

 

[blakfyahking]

The Mcdonalds I worked at had a full week of workbook and video training then a full week of hands on.

I had just graduated from school with a Bachelor of Science, double major and double minor maintaing a 3.0 GPA while playing football and running track and could not wrap Mcgriddles fast enough and distinguish the multiple ways to wrap a damn sandwich when it had cheese or other various items not to mention the drastic transition from breakfast to lunch. Nigga that shit was hard as fuck. You computer niggaz and yall fucking HTML and program writting aint the smartest niggaz out here yall just learn like robots. It aint hard writing programs and building websites my dude that shit come with instructions and no time limits.

wait a minute........so you got two Bachelors

but you found wrapping sandwiches and transitioning from breakfast to lunch difficult?

fam you must be bullshitting me to a high level

or did you go to some kind of flawed college? haha

what was your major in each of those degrees?

the hardest part of working fast food is being on your feet and standing over a hot grill, or washing dishes..........just plain manual labor

but you can get kids to do that shit, so why act like that makes it a skilled job?

lol@ the bold, And your laughing at me?

Anyway I say it was skilled because of the training I had to go through and pace at which we worked. That particular Mcdonalds was high volume, I mean like next to a high school D1 that let out for lunch and super busy breakfast. The pace was non stop and relentless. You had like 20 seconds to start a sandwich even special order and have it wrapped and ready to go or you got bumped off the line. Now take that sandwich and imagine all the combinations you get with all the different sandwiches from breakfast to lunch. This wasn't no average cheeseburger making mickey d's my dude. Hell I started at $9.00 per hour. Meat trays would not stay full until dinner slowed. The grill was non stop. Shit was sick.

I don't get your response..........you stated you did a double major and minor

most schools where a person does a double major, they are conferred two separate Bachelor Degrees

I was a double major and double minor as well.........and I graduated with two Bachelors :shrugs

as far as the fast food work........my 1st legitimate job as a teenager was working in a busy ass fast food shop

on average you could easily find yourself making 300+ sandwiches just during a lunch rush

and I worked in Wendys and Hardees(Roy Rogers) where them cats made a wider range of food than McDonalds

and I ended up being promoted to shift manager............there wasn't any skill about it other than being willing to follow directions and keep shit clean

nobody deserves $15 just for that

the job is not set up to be a career, it's a temporary stopover until you get more skills to get a better job

 

[Swiffness!]

ya'll crab niggas i swear

in this absurdly wealthy country where both corporate profits and wealth inequality have reached new highs, the REAL issue is that minimum wage should be way more than what it is - and tied to increase w/ inflation.

Why isn't this the case? TL;DR answer: bcuz a bunch of rich and predominantly white assholes would rather fuck over everyone else and laugh about it afterwards.

 

[perspective@100]

The Mcdonalds I worked at had a full week of workbook and video training then a full week of hands on.

I had just graduated from school with a Bachelor of Science, double major and double minor maintaing a 3.0 GPA while playing football and running track and could not wrap Mcgriddles fast enough and distinguish the multiple ways to wrap a damn sandwich when it had cheese or other various items not to mention the drastic transition from breakfast to lunch. Nigga that shit was hard as fuck. You computer niggaz and yall fucking HTML and program writting aint the smartest niggaz out here yall just learn like robots. It aint hard writing programs and building websites my dude that shit come with instructions and no time limits.

wait a minute........so you got two Bachelors

but you found wrapping sandwiches and transitioning from breakfast to lunch difficult?

fam you must be bullshitting me to a high level

or did you go to some kind of flawed college? haha

what was your major in each of those degrees?

the hardest part of working fast food is being on your feet and standing over a hot grill, or washing dishes..........just plain manual labor

but you can get kids to do that shit, so why act like that makes it a skilled job?

lol@ the bold, And your laughing at me?

Anyway I say it was skilled because of the training I had to go through and pace at which we worked. That particular Mcdonalds was high volume, I mean like next to a high school D1 that let out for lunch and super busy breakfast. The pace was non stop and relentless. You had like 20 seconds to start a sandwich even special order and have it wrapped and ready to go or you got bumped off the line. Now take that sandwich and imagine all the combinations you get with all the different sandwiches from breakfast to lunch. This wasn't no average cheeseburger making mickey d's my dude. Hell I started at $9.00 per hour. Meat trays would not stay full until dinner slowed. The grill was non stop. Shit was sick.

I don't get your response..........you stated you did a double major and minor

most schools where a person does a double major, they are conferred two separate Bachelor Degrees

I was a double major and double minor as well.........and I graduated with two Bachelors :shrugs

as far as the fast food work........my 1st legitimate job as a teenager was working in a busy ass fast food shop

on average you could easily find yourself making 300+ sandwiches just during a lunch rush

and I worked in Wendys and Hardees(Roy Rogers) where them cats made a wider range of food than McDonalds

and I ended up being promoted to shift manager............there wasn't any skill about it other than being willing to follow directions and keep shit clean

nobody deserves $15 just for that

the job is not set up to be a career, it's a temporary stopover until you get more skills to get a better job

LOL if you say so my nigga. 2 much BS to cut through to you... Every skill requires direction. Please explain to me what it is you do right now that I can not do without directions?

 

[SneakDZA]

you can tell who's really broke in this thread... y'all really hating on people who just want to make enough money at their job to barely pay rent and buy food?

pitiful.

 

[blakfyahking]

LOL if you say so my nigga. 2 much BS to cut through to you... Every skill requires direction. Please explain to me what it is you do right now that I can not do without directions?

bruh....but how hard is it really to make a burger tho?

you really need to cut the shit fam

and if you referring to my current job...........unless you understand vector calculus

or even something simple like the application of Porter's 5 forces

don't even ask me about what I do haha

you can tell who's really broke in this thread... y'all really hating on people who just want to make enough money at their job to barely pay rent and buy food?

pitiful.

LOL.....don't be a bitch champ

go head and call them broke niggaz out

anyways how you figure it's a worker's right to come into a job and tell the boss how much they have to pay their employees?

so you telling me if you build your own shit, and you decide to hire a mofo.........he should be able to tell you what you should pay him?

a lot of ya'll have a naive entitlement complex.........no one owes you a job

 

[LUClEN]

"The invisible hand of the market is a fist"

 

[perspective@100]

and if you referring to my current job...........unless you understand vector calculus

or even something simple like the application of Porter's 5 forces

don't even ask me about what I do haha

I put money on being able to do your job with a simple set of instructions and no formal training... Yea your a fucking genius in here on a hip hop forum, GTFOH, and stop frontin...

Please, tell us all what it is you do so we know what to go back to school for since the ability to get paid more than $15 per hour is only reserved for smart asses such as your self.

 

[blakfyahking]

and if you referring to my current job...........unless you understand vector calculus

or even something simple like the application of Porter's 5 forces

don't even ask me about what I do haha

I put money on being able to do your job with a simple set of instructions and no formal training... Yea your a fucking genius in here on a hip hop forum, GTFOH, and stop frontin...

Please, tell us all what it is you do so we know what to go back to school for since the ability to get paid more than $15 per hour is only reserved for smart asses such as your self.

how much money you got fam?

plenty of people do calculus bruh..........but thanks for displaying your insecurity by calling me a genius for no reason other than you admitting that you might be in over your head

you think smart mofos don't post on allhiphop? LOL

I bet you think only broke people post here too right?

champ you obviously don't know who I am bruh.........I've been posting on this forum for years

I'm not some new nigga coming in a random thread just to stunt......trust on that

 

[SneakDZA]

LOL if you say so my nigga. 2 much BS to cut through to you... Every skill requires direction. Please explain to me what it is you do right now that I can not do without directions?

bruh....but how hard is it really to make a burger tho?

you really need to cut the shit fam

and if you referring to my current job...........unless you understand vector calculus

or even something simple like the application of Porter's 5 forces

don't even ask me about what I do haha

you can tell who's really broke in this thread... y'all really hating on people who just want to make enough money at their job to barely pay rent and buy food?

pitiful.

LOL.....don't be a bitch champ



go head and call them broke niggaz out

Anybody that has a problem with somebody living in NYC making $15/hr either doesn't understand the cost of living here or has it pretty bad themselves and don't want to see a McDonald's worker get paid what should be minimum wage here.

I just find it odd that the people who look down on poor people are the first to go out of their way to keep them that way (and that includes other poor people).

anyways how you figure it's a worker's right to come into a job and tell the boss how much they have to pay their employees?

so you telling me if you build your own shit, and you decide to hire a mofo.........he should be able to tell you what you should pay him?

a lot of ya'll have a naive entitlement complex.........no one owes you a job

You never asked for a raise before? between cost of living, inflation and increasing rent prices it's ridiculous that minimum wage has stayed the same since 2007. Since 2007 this is what's been going on in the real world...

 

[blakfyahking]

LOL if you say so my nigga. 2 much BS to cut through to you... Every skill requires direction. Please explain to me what it is you do right now that I can not do without directions?

bruh....but how hard is it really to make a burger tho?

you really need to cut the shit fam

and if you referring to my current job...........unless you understand vector calculus

or even something simple like the application of Porter's 5 forces

don't even ask me about what I do haha

you can tell who's really broke in this thread... y'all really hating on people who just want to make enough money at their job to barely pay rent and buy food?

pitiful.

LOL.....don't be a bitch champ



go head and call them broke niggaz out

anyways how you figure it's a worker's right to come into a job and tell the boss how much they have to pay their employees?

so you telling me if you build your own shit, and you decide to hire a mofo.........he should be able to tell you what you should pay him?

a lot of ya'll have a naive entitlement complex.........no one owes you a job

Anybody that has a problem with somebody living in NYC making $15/hr either doesn't understand the cost of living here or has it pretty bad themselves and don't want to see a McDonald's worker get paid what should be minimum wage here.

I just find it odd that the people who look down on poor people are the first to go out of their way to keep them that way (and that includes other poor people).

yet you still ain't name no names haha

so because I don't think a worker has a right to come in and tell a business owner what he thinks he should have to pay his employees

or

because I don't think the govt should interfering with natural market forces

that means I'm looking down on poor people?

you mofos are obviously irrational SMH

 

[SneakDZA]

lol @ natural market forces. you mean this....

yeah that looks rational.

so because I don't think a worker has a right to come in and tell a business owner what he thinks he should have to pay his employees

again... asking for a raise isn't that uncommon.

 

[blakfyahking]

You never asked for a raise before? between cost of living, inflation and increasing rent prices it's ridiculous that minimum wage has stayed the same since 2007. Since 2007 this is what's been going on in the real world...

so wait a minute.......are you saying they are asking to raise the minimum wage

or are they just asking for a raise? there is a slight difference

but of course, once cats starting getting more at one franchise, the other franchises in other states will eventually have to follow suit

why is it that no one will ever answer my question about them not choosing to start their own business so they can pay higher wages?

 

[SneakDZA]

You never asked for a raise before? between cost of living, inflation and increasing rent prices it's ridiculous that minimum wage has stayed the same since 2007. Since 2007 this is what's been going on in the real world...

so wait a minute.......are you saying they are asking to raise the minimum wage

or are they just asking for a raise? there is a slight difference

they are not. even if adjusted for inflation the federal minimum wage would be $10 which is a lot for some places and barely anything in NYC. I don't think minimum wage should be federal I think it should be on a State level.

but of course, once cats starting getting more at one franchise, the other franchises in other states will eventually have to follow suit

so what's wrong with that?

why is it that no one will ever answer my question about them not choosing to start their own business so they can pay higher wages?

yeah that's a great idea... start a business using all the savings you've amassed and great credit you established while living in NYC and making $7.25 an hour.