Roland Martin vs. Dr. Umar Johnson

[2stepz_ahead]

isnt one just a focus on something?

and the other the research on something?

same ballpark, wrong seat? thats not an I thats an L type shit.

Its not an L because both require a good amount of work to be put in scholastically but there is a difference between the 2. They're similar but not the same. A PHD is based in research and requiresa dissertation and a clerkship. A PsyD requires a clinical project

you over thought that one.....the I and L were example of people getting the PhD and PpsyD mixed up and getting in the wrong seat while in the ballpark.

ehhh

I guess i just shown that

 

[NoCompetition]

@The Lonious Monk his "degrees" are a moot point now, but like I told you earlier in this thread I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But let me ask you what part of his message do you have a problem with?

I've answered that question several times. I have a problem with him exaggerating the significance of miscegenation and attempting to discredit the positive work of black men just because they married outside of the race. I have a problem with him making the false statement that "no white person has ever fought against systematic white privilege." That's just from this video. In general, I don't have a problem with Umar's message as a whole. I just disagree with some of the finer points and some of the outlandish things he says to support his message.

And I understand that you gave him the benefit of the doubt, and that's cool. I just don't understand why you have such a problem with others not being as trusting.

What is the bold? He never discredited the work of black men that married outside of their race, he said he can't fully respect a black man that marries outside of their race, that doesn't mean the work is discredited in his eyes. I disagree with that like you do but I see where he is coming from. He said systemically white people has never fought against white privilege sand white supremacy, he did acknowledge that individually whites have fought against those things.

It doesn't matter now it's a moot point.

Miscegenation is just race mixing. And he did discredit their work. He said any black man that marries outside of his race would have a hard time gaining his respect and it doesn't matter what they do, they can't be down for the black community if they don't marry a black woman. That's discrediting their work and their commitment to the community. On top of that, he made extremely broad generalization that ever black man who marries a white woman is doing so because he thinks that proximity to white skin will raise him up. That's just plain wrong, and the fact that he feels the need to make ridiculous statements like that takes away from his message IMO.

He did not discredit their work, he feels even if you put in the work, if you don't marry black then you lose points in his eyes. He views interracial marriage as a contradiction if you are about black empowerment. I get it, but I don't agree.

I can appreciate you saying you get it but dont agree. Because I can appreciate I think he says a lot of nonsense, but like I said his topic on school for the highschoolers made a lot of sense. I dont go too deep listening to him or listen to too much but of what I've heard and seen there are things on both ends to me.

 

[5th Letter]

@The Lonious Monk his "degrees" are a moot point now, but like I told you earlier in this thread I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But let me ask you what part of his message do you have a problem with?

I've answered that question several times. I have a problem with him exaggerating the significance of miscegenation and attempting to discredit the positive work of black men just because they married outside of the race. I have a problem with him making the false statement that "no white person has ever fought against systematic white privilege." That's just from this video. In general, I don't have a problem with Umar's message as a whole. I just disagree with some of the finer points and some of the outlandish things he says to support his message.

And I understand that you gave him the benefit of the doubt, and that's cool. I just don't understand why you have such a problem with others not being as trusting.

What is the bold? He never discredited the work of black men that married outside of their race, he said he can't fully respect a black man that marries outside of their race, that doesn't mean the work is discredited in his eyes. I disagree with that like you do but I see where he is coming from. He said systemically white people has never fought against white privilege sand white supremacy, he did acknowledge that individually whites have fought against those things.

It doesn't matter now it's a moot point.

Miscegenation is just race mixing. And he did discredit their work. He said any black man that marries outside of his race would have a hard time gaining his respect and it doesn't matter what they do, they can't be down for the black community if they don't marry a black woman. That's discrediting their work and their commitment to the community. On top of that, he made extremely broad generalization that ever black man who marries a white woman is doing so because he thinks that proximity to white skin will raise him up. That's just plain wrong, and the fact that he feels the need to make ridiculous statements like that takes away from his message IMO.

He did not discredit their work, he feels even if you put in the work, if you don't marry black then you lose points in his eyes. He views interracial marriage as a contradiction if you are about black empowerment. I get it, but I don't agree.

Yeah because thats one of those things he says that doesnt make sense on a lot of levels. First off people marry people not colors. What does color have to do with it? Also thats just feeding into the European "racial" ideas. He's going by the racist Europesn standards of who is black or white what is black and white. there are too many factors. On and on. So thats a contradiction because like with a lot of his messages he actually just reinforces European and racist ideals. But in a convoluted way. This is where people say he speaks a lot of things that dont make sense. There is a lot that just has to do with the fact we live in the society we live in, that what he says doesnt coincide with that actual realities.

That's why I said I understand where he's coming from but I don't agree.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

@The Lonious Monk his "degrees" are a moot point now, but like I told you earlier in this thread I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But let me ask you what part of his message do you have a problem with?

I've answered that question several times. I have a problem with him exaggerating the significance of miscegenation and attempting to discredit the positive work of black men just because they married outside of the race. I have a problem with him making the false statement that "no white person has ever fought against systematic white privilege." That's just from this video. In general, I don't have a problem with Umar's message as a whole. I just disagree with some of the finer points and some of the outlandish things he says to support his message.

And I understand that you gave him the benefit of the doubt, and that's cool. I just don't understand why you have such a problem with others not being as trusting.

What is the bold? He never discredited the work of black men that married outside of their race, he said he can't fully respect a black man that marries outside of their race, that doesn't mean the work is discredited in his eyes. I disagree with that like you do but I see where he is coming from. He said systemically white people has never fought against white privilege sand white supremacy, he did acknowledge that individually whites have fought against those things.

It doesn't matter now it's a moot point.

Miscegenation is just race mixing. And he did discredit their work. He said any black man that marries outside of his race would have a hard time gaining his respect and it doesn't matter what they do, they can't be down for the black community if they don't marry a black woman. That's discrediting their work and their commitment to the community. On top of that, he made extremely broad generalization that ever black man who marries a white woman is doing so because he thinks that proximity to white skin will raise him up. That's just plain wrong, and the fact that he feels the need to make ridiculous statements like that takes away from his message IMO.

He did not discredit their work, he feels even if you put in the work, if you don't marry black then you lose points in his eyes. He views interracial marriage as a contradiction if you are about black empowerment. I get it, but I don't agree.

If that's what he meant, fine, I can agree to disagree there, it sounded like he said their efforts didn't mean anything. To me that's going too far, and running off at the mouth like that is irresponsible.

At the end of the day, I have mixed feelings about him. He's resolute and strong that's good. He can also be arrogant and childish. What can you do? None of us are perfect. That's why it's better to not elevate the man over the message, which some seem to do. Is there anyone else that has his level of exposure when it comes to Pan Africanists? Also, does everyone in here that supports him consider themselves a Pan African? Just curious.

 

[blackgod813]

A lot mother fuckers up in arms once some one caste doubt on there right to marry a white whore people lose they mind who jumps in a race discussion to defend interracial dating..that dont seem very pan blackpowerish

 

[jetlifebih]

A lot mother fuckers up in arms once some one caste doubt on there right to marry a white whore people lose they mind who jumps in a race discussion to defend interracial dating..that dont seem very pan blackpowerish

To some black power is replacing the white wigs with black people not the actual system...

 

[blackgod813]

A lot mother fuckers up in arms once some one caste doubt on there right to marry a white whore people lose they mind who jumps in a race discussion to defend interracial dating..that dont seem very pan blackpowerish

To some black power is replacing the white wigs with black people not the actual system...

An im almost fine with that with us in power but stop an look at this..shit they harped an bogged down on aint no nigga no doctor show proof ...an he insulted are white women hes gone to far please let us marry these bitches while wearing tribal dress ...

 

[Shuffington]

A lot mother fuckers up in arms once some one caste doubt on there right to marry a white whore people lose they mind who jumps in a race discussion to defend interracial dating..that dont seem very pan blackpowerish

I believe its less about dating white women ... and more about being told who we (Hetero black Males) SHOULD be f*cking / dating / Marrying. Its like outsiders have their hands on you're d*ck. (big pause on that one btw)

Imagine how pro-life advocates stay up in a woman's uterus even to the point where, to some, even PLAN B is inappropriate. Just because your pro choice doesn't mean, you yourself would have an abortion... but you do understand certain circumstances that lead to one if necessary.

Every dude ain't out here chasing after the white seed. But don't tell me that I have to be, do, act, as you say in order to be an advocate for black empowerment.

 

[PureYang]

Someone @ all the crybaby niggas that been whining about his credentials.

Somebody did the actual work of verification.

Now hopefully we can acutally get to the meat and potatoes of what is actually said rather than y'all crying about the bs
http://www.theroot.com/i-was-wrong-...um=sharefromsite&utm_source=The_Root_facebook

 

[The Lonious Monk]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

 

[blackrain]

Someone @ all the crybaby niggas that been whining about his credentials.

Somebody did the actual work of verification.

Now hopefully we can acutally get to the meat and potatoes of what is actually said rather than y'all crying about the bs
http://www.theroot.com/i-was-wrong-...um=sharefromsite&utm_source=The_Root_facebook

*Clearly missed the last 3 pages of the thread post*

 

[PureYang]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

 

[PureYang]

Someone @ all the crybaby niggas that been whining about his credentials.

Somebody did the actual work of verification.

Now hopefully we can acutally get to the meat and potatoes of what is actually said rather than y'all crying about the bs
http://www.theroot.com/i-was-wrong-...um=sharefromsite&utm_source=The_Root_facebook

*Clearly missed the last 3 pages of the thread post*

I read the 1st ten pages but it was circular bs of little consequence so I skipped to the end

 

[soul rattler]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuI0e2gF7I/

You never cared whether or not he had a degree. At your core, you weren't even against him. You were against his message. You're like Trump and those birthers were over Obama's birth certificate. What you truly hate is the fact that he's speaking power to his people. And if it was anybody else, you'd be just as despicable with your distracting criticisms.

The truth of Umar's message was only accentuated by the facts and statistics he provided as an authority in his field of study and practices. Now that you can't argue against his credentials or facts, just admit that you really are just dying to fornicate with white women without feeling guilty about it.

 

[5th Letter]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuI0e2gF7I/

You never cared whether or not he had a degree. At your core, you weren't even against him. You were against his message. You're like Trump and those birthers were over Obama's birth certificate. What you truly hate is the fact that he's speaking power to his people. And if it was anybody else, you'd be just as despicable with your distracting criticisms.

The truth of Umar's message was only accentuated by the facts and statistics he provided as an authority in his field of study and practices. Now that you can't argue against his credentials or facts, just admit that you really are just dying to fornicate with white women without feeling guilty about it.

But now let's discuss why we had the right to question his credentials, since we were proven wrong.

 

[Olorun22]

Yall nigga's kept the credentials thing going. I talk about his message with talking black sleeping white

 

[PureYang]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuI0e2gF7I/

You never cared whether or not he had a degree. At your core, you weren't even against him. You were against his message. You're like Trump and those birthers were over Obama's birth certificate. What you truly hate is the fact that he's speaking power to his people. And if it was anybody else, you'd be just as despicable with your distracting criticisms.

The truth of Umar's message was only accentuated by the facts and statistics he provided as an authority in his field of study and practices. Now that you can't argue against his credentials or facts, just admit that you really are just dying to fornicate with white women without feeling guilty about it.

This is my primary issue with the context of the argument. I've been on this site for more than a decade and NEVER have I seen the zeal for accreditation as I have this time around.

I'm not even a big fan of the man but what he says resonates from time to time

Never have I seen any of these folk ask for white men's credentials.

 

[soul rattler]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuI0e2gF7I/

You never cared whether or not he had a degree. At your core, you weren't even against him. You were against his message. You're like Trump and those birthers were over Obama's birth certificate. What you truly hate is the fact that he's speaking power to his people. And if it was anybody else, you'd be just as despicable with your distracting criticisms.

The truth of Umar's message was only accentuated by the facts and statistics he provided as an authority in his field of study and practices. Now that you can't argue against his credentials or facts, just admit that you really are just dying to fornicate with white women without feeling guilty about it.

But now let's discuss why we had the right to question his credentials, since we were proven wrong.

But what they won't do is discuss what it is about them that makes them fight so litigously about his legitimacy as opposed to his message.

 

[Kwan Dai]

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

 

[Kwan Dai]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuI0e2gF7I/

You never cared whether or not he had a degree. At your core, you weren't even against him. You were against his message. You're like Trump and those birthers were over Obama's birth certificate. What you truly hate is the fact that he's speaking power to his people. And if it was anybody else, you'd be just as despicable with your distracting criticisms.

The truth of Umar's message was only accentuated by the facts and statistics he provided as an authority in his field of study and practices. Now that you can't argue against his credentials or facts, just admit that you really are just dying to fornicate with white women without feeling guilty about it.

But now let's discuss why we had the right to question his credentials, since we were proven wrong.

But what they won't do is discuss what it is about them that makes them fight so litigously about his legitimacy as opposed to his message.

This is a great point. I mean what Black men fight this hard to discredit another Black man? It's odd.