The Lonious Monk
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Kwan Dai;c-9889509 said:
That's just untrue, and that's why I throw the fanboy term out. You basically just said that the only people who question Umar are haters. Go to the Reason, that's the logic the fanboys use. "You don't like rapper A because you're a hater." That line of thought isn't true there and it isn't true here.
All I can speak for is myself. I personally don't give a fuck about Umar right or wrong. Only the goals, principles, and ideas matter to me. I didn't really care that much about his credentials because I don't believe you need to have a PhD to have good ideas. However, I also understand that if a guy basically says "I know what I'm talking about because I have a doctorate," it is completely fair for some to say "Show me proof of that doctorate" if of course they have some reason to doubt him. Now that's where I step back from the discussion because I don't know why people started questioning it. I've never really felt that Umar didn't seem credible so I honestly don't know why people initially questioned him. However, I do know that him not showing those credentials and deading the discussion is part of why the drama went on for so long.
And once again, I ask the Umar followers what part of his message you want to discuss. Credit where its due, you cats have been saying from the start that that's what you want to discuss. So let's discuss, or are you content just to rub the noses of his detractors in the piece of paper he could have supplied years ago?
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5th Letter
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@The Lonious Monk his "degrees" are a moot point now, but like I told you earlier in this thread I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But let me ask you what part of his message do you have a problem with?
The Lonious Monk
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5th Letter;c-9889552 said:
I've answered that question several times. I have a problem with him exaggerating the significance of miscegenation and attempting to discredit the positive work of black men just because they married outside of the race. I have a problem with him making the false statement that "no white person has ever fought against systematic white privilege." That's just from this video. In general, I don't have a problem with Umar's message as a whole. I just disagree with some of the finer points and some of the outlandish things he says to support his message.
And I understand that you gave him the benefit of the doubt, and that's cool. I just don't understand why you have such a problem with others not being as trusting.
Kwan Dai;c-9889441 said:
I was going @2stepz_ahead.....
However....
His comments on interracial marriage aren't the highlight of his discussions.....
But they are the headlines of most news outlets...
And you already saw how they are controversial.....
Hense the debate at hand....
2stepz_ahead;c-9889397 said:
Ajackson17
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bambu;c-9889423 said:
Now, that's real ether, not the bullshit everyone talking about. I might have to move, my seed will need to go to a Pan-Africanist school.
2stepz_ahead
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if only 1 black inner city child dies a day due to gun violence or gang violence....seven died within the span of this discussion about who can help innercity kids or whos qualified to do so.
7
we talked about this for 7 days.
7 mothers who wont be with there kids because of a piece of paper.
yes he said hes a doctor and didnt prove it outright...but now what?
what if those kids could have gotten help from one of the people this man could have reached...or put someone in a different place and another chain of events would have happened.
those very rich people on the news and who shitted on him for so long should now be sued for defamation and participating in an ongoing criminal conspiracy.
because thats what i see happening.
and whoever was contacted at those colleges...should be fired. they could have cost this man income and potential black lives.
https://newrepublic.com/article/121527/what-does-seeing-black-men-die-do-you
yall got it fukked up
7
we talked about this for 7 days.
7 mothers who wont be with there kids because of a piece of paper.
yes he said hes a doctor and didnt prove it outright...but now what?
what if those kids could have gotten help from one of the people this man could have reached...or put someone in a different place and another chain of events would have happened.
those very rich people on the news and who shitted on him for so long should now be sued for defamation and participating in an ongoing criminal conspiracy.
because thats what i see happening.
and whoever was contacted at those colleges...should be fired. they could have cost this man income and potential black lives.
https://newrepublic.com/article/121527/what-does-seeing-black-men-die-do-you
yall got it fukked up
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5th Letter
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The Lonious Monk;c-9889562 said:
What is the bold? He never discredited the work of black men that married outside of their race, he said he can't fully respect a black man that marries outside of their race, that doesn't mean the work is discredited in his eyes. I disagree with that like you do but I see where he is coming from. He said systemically white people has never fought against white privilege sand white supremacy, he did acknowledge that individually whites have fought against those things.
It doesn't matter now it's a moot point.
5th Letter;c-9889482 said:
I have no problem admitting I'm wrong when it happens. I never said Umar didn't have his PHD. I said if he does he should prove it to dead the questions and that there's nothing wrong wanting someone who wants to start a school to actually have the credentials they say they do. You and others seem to have a comprehension problem when it comes to that simple idea though.
NoCompetition;c-9889495 said:
Exactly. Niggas acting like you got to hang on his every word and any disagreement is trying to tear him down. Nah...its trying to make sure he is actually speaking from a solid foundation. Niggas so quick to bash the church for indoctrinating people to just accept and donate hard earned money without question yet here they are actually encouraging it
5th Letter
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blackrain;c-9889628 said:
It's a moot point now
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The Lonious Monk
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5th Letter;c-9889623 said:
Miscegenation is just race mixing. And he did discredit their work. He said any black man that marries outside of his race would have a hard time gaining his respect and it doesn't matter what they do, they can't be down for the black community if they don't marry a black woman. That's discrediting their work and their commitment to the community. On top of that, he made extremely broad generalization that ever black man who marries a white woman is doing so because he thinks that proximity to white skin will raise him up. That's just plain wrong, and the fact that he feels the need to make ridiculous statements like that takes away from his message IMO.
2stepz_ahead
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isnt one just a focus on something?
and the other the research on something?
same ballpark, wrong seat? thats not an I thats an L type shit.
and the other the research on something?
same ballpark, wrong seat? thats not an I thats an L type shit.
5th Letter
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The Lonious Monk;c-9889644 said:
He did not discredit their work, he feels even if you put in the work, if you don't marry black then you lose points in his eyes. He views interracial marriage as a contradiction if you are about black empowerment. I get it, but I don't agree.
2stepz_ahead;c-9889755 said:
Its not an L because both require a good amount of work to be put in scholastically but there is a difference between the 2. They're similar but not the same. A PHD is based in research and requiresa dissertation and a clerkship. A PsyD requires a clinical project
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JokerzWyld
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Feelings and Copping Pleas
NoCompetition
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5th Letter;c-9889779 said:
Yeah because thats one of those things he says that doesnt make sense on a lot of levels. First off people marry people not colors. What does color have to do with it? Also thats just feeding into the European "racial" ideas. He's going by the racist Europesn standards of who is black or white what is black and white. there are too many factors. On and on. So thats a contradiction because like with a lot of his messages he actually just reinforces European and racist ideals. But in a convoluted way. This is where people say he speaks a lot of things that dont make sense. There is a lot that just has to do with the fact we live in the society we live in, that what he says doesnt coincide with that actual realities. So thats some of those things when people talk about his messages.
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