Roland Martin vs. Dr. Umar Johnson

[2stepz_ahead]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

The Chinese are not colonizing African nations....

They are investing where the western world will not....

It could be mutually beneficial......

my nigga......are you serious?

this shit is an undercover invasion.

mutually beneficial to who? the chinese their and in china?

this aint an investment that helps the locals....they not trying to stabilize a nation.....they said they will stay out of regional affairs and often exchange weaponry.

nah..they saying kill ya selves......or work for peanuts...we shippin shit back to china.

 

[blackrain]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuI0e2gF7I/

You never cared whether or not he had a degree. At your core, you weren't even against him. You were against his message. You're like Trump and those birthers were over Obama's birth certificate. What you truly hate is the fact that he's speaking power to his people. And if it was anybody else, you'd be just as despicable with your distracting criticisms.

The truth of Umar's message was only accentuated by the facts and statistics he provided as an authority in his field of study and practices. Now that you can't argue against his credentials or facts, just admit that you really are just dying to fornicate with white women without feeling guilty about it.

But now let's discuss why we had the right to question his credentials, since we were proven wrong.

But what they won't do is discuss what it is about them that makes them fight so litigously about his legitimacy as opposed to his message.

This is a great point. I mean what Black men fight this hard to discredit another Black man? It's odd.

this has always been my point....

niggas dont go that hard for proving white men wrong.

who many times has a white PhD had to prove his credentials vs a black person just proving they have a bit of education?

I think it can be quite damaging to have someone misleading and confusing people. It can set people back actually. So inaccuracies and misjudgements and misdirections shouldnt be allowed to go unchecked. Its not a whole sum proposition though. There are things on both sides of the spectrum. And things that can actually help people in their real lives. Even though the points on this side of the spectrum are numerous I also gave the example of what I saw him giving advice to kids entering college age where I think he nailed some things.But just ano ole thing wont fly. Come correct.

how often on a Sunday do people challenge whats said or preacher to a congregation?

you know....i was just having this talk. a person who goes to college to study theology can preach and show documentation but a person sent from God could be labeled as crazy and whats his credentials...

when in the bible is doesnt state that you need a degree to preach and lists specific things that would qualify someone...but to look deeper into some of these preachers background...their history is checkered an they use it as a way to say....i have gotten better. started from the bottom now im here.

even when what the preacher say is wrong...people still go back the next sunday to feel good and be inspired.

so when we talk about preying on weak people.....lets start there.

we can then go to the govt....

we can then go to the gang leaders and members

we can then go to the real niggas who pick on those who aint in that life

we can take this so many other bigger places than 1 MAN who didnt show his degree.

You're currently living in a time period where less people than ever follow any form of organized religion for just that reason...people challenging whats being taught and preached in church and the Bible...

when was the last time you been to an empty or half empty black church that didnt have three other churchs within a 5 mile radius?

Better question is when the last time I've been to church

 

[2stepz_ahead]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuI0e2gF7I/

You never cared whether or not he had a degree. At your core, you weren't even against him. You were against his message. You're like Trump and those birthers were over Obama's birth certificate. What you truly hate is the fact that he's speaking power to his people. And if it was anybody else, you'd be just as despicable with your distracting criticisms.

The truth of Umar's message was only accentuated by the facts and statistics he provided as an authority in his field of study and practices. Now that you can't argue against his credentials or facts, just admit that you really are just dying to fornicate with white women without feeling guilty about it.

But now let's discuss why we had the right to question his credentials, since we were proven wrong.

But what they won't do is discuss what it is about them that makes them fight so litigously about his legitimacy as opposed to his message.

This is a great point. I mean what Black men fight this hard to discredit another Black man? It's odd.

this has always been my point....

niggas dont go that hard for proving white men wrong.

who many times has a white PhD had to prove his credentials vs a black person just proving they have a bit of education?

When is the last time a white person with credentials avoided showing their credentials. If anything white people tend to over emphasize degrees. So what GW Bush had a degree from Harvard. He's still and idiot.

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

lol Of course they are. China is serving China's interests, the same way all countries do. It's not on them to make sure that Africa is getting what it needs out of the deal. It's up to the Africans to do that. People are accusing China of exploiting Africa, and that's probably somewhat accurate. But really it's more like they are investing in Africa and making deals that are skewed to their own benefit. That's something everyone tries to do when making an investment. I'm not claiming the Chinese are good people because of what they are doing in Africa. The Chinese might actually be far more racist than whites, but at least with their exploitation, they are doing it from a business standpoint where Africans at least have a chance at negotiating and benefitting. That's a lot better than what the Euros did with colonialism.

kinda like saying...i know you cold but take this blanket.....i know it has diseases...but nigga iz you cold?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuI0e2gF7I/

You never cared whether or not he had a degree. At your core, you weren't even against him. You were against his message. You're like Trump and those birthers were over Obama's birth certificate. What you truly hate is the fact that he's speaking power to his people. And if it was anybody else, you'd be just as despicable with your distracting criticisms.

The truth of Umar's message was only accentuated by the facts and statistics he provided as an authority in his field of study and practices. Now that you can't argue against his credentials or facts, just admit that you really are just dying to fornicate with white women without feeling guilty about it.

But now let's discuss why we had the right to question his credentials, since we were proven wrong.

But what they won't do is discuss what it is about them that makes them fight so litigously about his legitimacy as opposed to his message.

This is a great point. I mean what Black men fight this hard to discredit another Black man? It's odd.

this has always been my point....

niggas dont go that hard for proving white men wrong.

who many times has a white PhD had to prove his credentials vs a black person just proving they have a bit of education?

When is the last time a white person with credentials avoided showing their credentials. If anything white people tend to over emphasize degrees. So what GW Bush had a degree from Harvard. He's still and idiot.

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

lol Of course they are. China is serving China's interests, the same way all countries do. It's not on them to make sure that Africa is getting what it needs out of the deal. It's up to the Africans to do that. People are accusing China of exploiting Africa, and that's probably somewhat accurate. But really it's more like they are investing in Africa and making deals that are skewed to their own benefit. That's something everyone tries to do when making an investment. I'm not claiming the Chinese are good people because of what they are doing in Africa. The Chinese might actually be far more racist than whites, but at least with their exploitation, they are doing it from a business standpoint where Africans at least have a chance at negotiating and benefitting. That's a lot better than what the Euros did with colonialism.

kinda like saying...i know you cold but take this blanket.....i know it has diseases...but nigga iz you cold?

It's nothing like that at all.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuI0e2gF7I/

You never cared whether or not he had a degree. At your core, you weren't even against him. You were against his message. You're like Trump and those birthers were over Obama's birth certificate. What you truly hate is the fact that he's speaking power to his people. And if it was anybody else, you'd be just as despicable with your distracting criticisms.

The truth of Umar's message was only accentuated by the facts and statistics he provided as an authority in his field of study and practices. Now that you can't argue against his credentials or facts, just admit that you really are just dying to fornicate with white women without feeling guilty about it.

But now let's discuss why we had the right to question his credentials, since we were proven wrong.

But what they won't do is discuss what it is about them that makes them fight so litigously about his legitimacy as opposed to his message.

This is a great point. I mean what Black men fight this hard to discredit another Black man? It's odd.

this has always been my point....

niggas dont go that hard for proving white men wrong.

who many times has a white PhD had to prove his credentials vs a black person just proving they have a bit of education?

When is the last time a white person with credentials avoided showing their credentials. If anything white people tend to over emphasize degrees. So what GW Bush had a degree from Harvard. He's still and idiot.

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

lol Of course they are. China is serving China's interests, the same way all countries do. It's not on them to make sure that Africa is getting what it needs out of the deal. It's up to the Africans to do that. People are accusing China of exploiting Africa, and that's probably somewhat accurate. But really it's more like they are investing in Africa and making deals that are skewed to their own benefit. That's something everyone tries to do when making an investment. I'm not claiming the Chinese are good people because of what they are doing in Africa. The Chinese might actually be far more racist than whites, but at least with their exploitation, they are doing it from a business standpoint where Africans at least have a chance at negotiating and benefitting. That's a lot better than what the Euros did with colonialism.

kinda like saying...i know you cold but take this blanket.....i know it has diseases...but nigga iz you cold?

It's nothing like that at all.

you right....its more like...

yall want these blankets and beads....we will take that landmass off your hands....boy you guys drove a hard bargain.

now the chinese are saying...

we bill infaaaaaaastrachaaaaaaa

we gim job

we boss

you wok

you feed hum

we all hoppi

 

[The Lonious Monk]

you right....its more like...

yall want these blankets and beads....we will take that landmass off your hands....boy you guys drove a hard bargain.

now the chinese are saying...

we bill infaaaaaaastrachaaaaaaa

we gim job

we boss

you wok

you feed hum

we all hoppi

Let me ask you something. How exactly would expect a deal between African nations and other nations willing to invest to go down? Do you really think that a country is going to go to Africa, invest $500 billion dollars into building up various countries, and not try to get anything out of it.

It's easy for you to shit on how important infrastructure is because you probably live in a place with a working infrastructure. Go to the areas in Africa where they can't get reliable medical treatment let alone of even conceiving of something like having the internet in every home and ask them how they feel about a deal with China that could change that. Yes, China is benefitting from Africa and yes they are probably getting the better of the deal right now. However, to act like Africa is just being thrown peanuts in this case is silly, and to act like Africa isn't in a position where it could use the investment to its advantage is shortsighted.

The U.S. started out as a set of colonies that were being exploited by England. Tell me which country is of a higher stature now.

 

[bambu]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWuI0e2gF7I/

You never cared whether or not he had a degree. At your core, you weren't even against him. You were against his message. You're like Trump and those birthers were over Obama's birth certificate. What you truly hate is the fact that he's speaking power to his people. And if it was anybody else, you'd be just as despicable with your distracting criticisms.

The truth of Umar's message was only accentuated by the facts and statistics he provided as an authority in his field of study and practices. Now that you can't argue against his credentials or facts, just admit that you really are just dying to fornicate with white women without feeling guilty about it.

But now let's discuss why we had the right to question his credentials, since we were proven wrong.

But what they won't do is discuss what it is about them that makes them fight so litigously about his legitimacy as opposed to his message.

This is a great point. I mean what Black men fight this hard to discredit another Black man? It's odd.

this has always been my point....

niggas dont go that hard for proving white men wrong.

who many times has a white PhD had to prove his credentials vs a black person just proving they have a bit of education?

When is the last time a white person with credentials avoided showing their credentials. If anything white people tend to over emphasize degrees. So what GW Bush had a degree from Harvard. He's still and idiot.

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

lol Of course they are. China is serving China's interests, the same way all countries do. It's not on them to make sure that Africa is getting what it needs out of the deal. It's up to the Africans to do that. People are accusing China of exploiting Africa, and that's probably somewhat accurate. But really it's more like they are investing in Africa and making deals that are skewed to their own benefit. That's something everyone tries to do when making an investment. I'm not claiming the Chinese are good people because of what they are doing in Africa. The Chinese might actually be far more racist than whites, but at least with their exploitation, they are doing it from a business standpoint where Africans at least have a chance at negotiating and benefitting. That's a lot better than what the Euros did with colonialism.

kinda like saying...i know you cold but take this blanket.....i know it has diseases...but nigga iz you cold?

It's nothing like that at all.

If anyone cares to inform themselves.....

The chinese are not plundering African nations....

Of course they will take advantage of the nations of Africa. If they do not put their country/people first....

 

[Kwan Dai]

you right....its more like...

yall want these blankets and beads....we will take that landmass off your hands....boy you guys drove a hard bargain.

now the chinese are saying...

we bill infaaaaaaastrachaaaaaaa

we gim job

we boss

you wok

you feed hum

we all hoppi

Let me ask you something. How exactly would expect a deal between African nations and other nations willing to invest to go down? Do you really think that a country is going to go to Africa, invest $500 billion dollars into building up various countries, and not try to get anything out of it.

It's easy for you to shit on how important infrastructure is because you probably live in a place with a working infrastructure. Go to the areas in Africa where they can't get reliable medical treatment let alone of even conceiving of something like having the internet in every home and ask them how they feel about a deal with China that could change that. Yes, China is benefitting from Africa and yes they are probably getting the better of the deal right now. However, to act like Africa is just being thrown peanuts in this case is silly, and to act like Africa isn't in a position where it could use the investment to its advantage is shortsighted.

The U.S. started out as a set of colonies that were being exploited by England. Tell me which country is of a higher stature now.

You could be right. However, Europeans also built infrastructure in Africa only to either destroy it all on their way out, institute economic sanctions to cripple economies or flat pull funds that were supporting completed infrastructures. Remember the Belgians in the congo?

The problem with these types of deals is, we won't know if, they are beneficial for Africa until the damage is done. My hope is, it all works out for Africa.

 

[Kwan Dai]

If anyone cares to inform themselves.....

The chinese are not plundering African nations....

Of course they will take advantage of the nations of Africa. If they do not put their country/people first....

This is exactly what Umar is asking all Blacks to do. In addition to not letting other cultures take over. So, in the case of Mandarin being a part of the South African educational curriculum this is an indicator that the Chinese are there to stay...

 

[Olorun22]

quote]

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.[/quote]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

You take ones sentence and try to run with it like I didn't say why smh..

 

[The Lonious Monk]

you right....its more like...

yall want these blankets and beads....we will take that landmass off your hands....boy you guys drove a hard bargain.

now the chinese are saying...

we bill infaaaaaaastrachaaaaaaa

we gim job

we boss

you wok

you feed hum

we all hoppi

Let me ask you something. How exactly would expect a deal between African nations and other nations willing to invest to go down? Do you really think that a country is going to go to Africa, invest $500 billion dollars into building up various countries, and not try to get anything out of it.

It's easy for you to shit on how important infrastructure is because you probably live in a place with a working infrastructure. Go to the areas in Africa where they can't get reliable medical treatment let alone of even conceiving of something like having the internet in every home and ask them how they feel about a deal with China that could change that. Yes, China is benefitting from Africa and yes they are probably getting the better of the deal right now. However, to act like Africa is just being thrown peanuts in this case is silly, and to act like Africa isn't in a position where it could use the investment to its advantage is shortsighted.

The U.S. started out as a set of colonies that were being exploited by England. Tell me which country is of a higher stature now.

You could be right. However, Europeans also built infrastructure in Africa only to either destroy it all on their way out, institute economic sanctions to cripple economies or flat pull funds that were supporting completed infrastructures. Remember the Belgians in the congo?

The problem with these types of deals is, we won't know if, they are beneficial for Africa until the damage is done. My hope is, it all works out for Africa.

True. They need some good leaders to step up. The problem is that a lot of Africa's great minds tend to leave Africa.

You take ones sentence and try to run with it like I didn't say why smh..

Nigga, this is what you said?

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

What else am I supposed to take from that?

 

[Olorun22]

you right....its more like...

yall want these blankets and beads....we will take that landmass off your hands....boy you guys drove a hard bargain.

now the chinese are saying...

we bill infaaaaaaastrachaaaaaaa

we gim job

we boss

you wok

you feed hum

we all hoppi

Let me ask you something. How exactly would expect a deal between African nations and other nations willing to invest to go down? Do you really think that a country is going to go to Africa, invest $500 billion dollars into building up various countries, and not try to get anything out of it.

It's easy for you to shit on how important infrastructure is because you probably live in a place with a working infrastructure. Go to the areas in Africa where they can't get reliable medical treatment let alone of even conceiving of something like having the internet in every home and ask them how they feel about a deal with China that could change that. Yes, China is benefitting from Africa and yes they are probably getting the better of the deal right now. However, to act like Africa is just being thrown peanuts in this case is silly, and to act like Africa isn't in a position where it could use the investment to its advantage is shortsighted.

The U.S. started out as a set of colonies that were being exploited by England. Tell me which country is of a higher stature now.

You could be right. However, Europeans also built infrastructure in Africa only to either destroy it all on their way out, institute economic sanctions to cripple economies or flat pull funds that were supporting completed infrastructures. Remember the Belgians in the congo?

The problem with these types of deals is, we won't know if, they are beneficial for Africa until the damage is done. My hope is, it all works out for Africa.

True. They need some good leaders to step up. The problem is that a lot of Africa's great minds tend to leave Africa.

You take ones sentence and try to run with it like I didn't say why smh..

Nigga, this is what you said?

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

What else am I supposed to take from that?

The sentence... it's there to take it away...meaning the resources

 

[The Lonious Monk]

you right....its more like...

yall want these blankets and beads....we will take that landmass off your hands....boy you guys drove a hard bargain.

now the chinese are saying...

we bill infaaaaaaastrachaaaaaaa

we gim job

we boss

you wok

you feed hum

we all hoppi

Let me ask you something. How exactly would expect a deal between African nations and other nations willing to invest to go down? Do you really think that a country is going to go to Africa, invest $500 billion dollars into building up various countries, and not try to get anything out of it.

It's easy for you to shit on how important infrastructure is because you probably live in a place with a working infrastructure. Go to the areas in Africa where they can't get reliable medical treatment let alone of even conceiving of something like having the internet in every home and ask them how they feel about a deal with China that could change that. Yes, China is benefitting from Africa and yes they are probably getting the better of the deal right now. However, to act like Africa is just being thrown peanuts in this case is silly, and to act like Africa isn't in a position where it could use the investment to its advantage is shortsighted.

The U.S. started out as a set of colonies that were being exploited by England. Tell me which country is of a higher stature now.

You could be right. However, Europeans also built infrastructure in Africa only to either destroy it all on their way out, institute economic sanctions to cripple economies or flat pull funds that were supporting completed infrastructures. Remember the Belgians in the congo?

The problem with these types of deals is, we won't know if, they are beneficial for Africa until the damage is done. My hope is, it all works out for Africa.

True. They need some good leaders to step up. The problem is that a lot of Africa's great minds tend to leave Africa.

You take ones sentence and try to run with it like I didn't say why smh..

Nigga, this is what you said?

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

What else am I supposed to take from that?

The sentence... it's there to take it away...meaning the resources

But we were talking about infrastructure not resources. How was I supposed to magically know you meant resources when you didn't say resources and weren't referring to a statement about resources? And yes, China is in Africa for resources. China taking resources and building infrastructure in not automatically a bad thing. That's called trade. Now whether it is fair trade or not remains to be seen.

 

[D. Morgan]

@The Lonious Monk his "degrees" are a moot point now, but like I told you earlier in this thread I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But let me ask you what part of his message do you have a problem with?

I've answered that question several times. I have a problem with him exaggerating the significance of miscegenation and attempting to discredit the positive work of black men just because they married outside of the race. I have a problem with him making the false statement that "no white person has ever fought against systematic white privilege." That's just from this video. In general, I don't have a problem with Umar's message as a whole. I just disagree with some of the finer points and some of the outlandish things he says to support his message.

And I understand that you gave him the benefit of the doubt, and that's cool. I just don't understand why you have such a problem with others not being as trusting.

What is the bold? He never discredited the work of black men that married outside of their race, he said he can't fully respect a black man that marries outside of their race, that doesn't mean the work is discredited in his eyes. I disagree with that like you do but I see where he is coming from. He said systemically white people has never fought against white privilege sand white supremacy, he did acknowledge that individually whites have fought against those things.

It doesn't matter now it's a moot point.

Miscegenation is just race mixing. And he did discredit their work. He said any black man that marries outside of his race would have a hard time gaining his respect and it doesn't matter what they do, they can't be down for the black community if they don't marry a black woman. That's discrediting their work and their commitment to the community. On top of that, he made extremely broad generalization that ever black man who marries a white woman is doing so because he thinks that proximity to white skin will raise him up. That's just plain wrong, and the fact that he feels the need to make ridiculous statements like that takes away from his message IMO.

There's some truth to that statement. In most cases I would say its not the only reason but it for damn sure is ONE of the reasons.

 

[Ajackson17]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

The Chinese are not colonizing African nations....

They are investing where the western world will not....

It could be mutually beneficial......

The thing is that we should always watch out for China, they could later be colonizer and this could be their truest intentions. The Chinese do not have the best record for dealing with African people living in China either. It's nowhere bad as India but we have to be leery.

 

[Ajackson17]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

The Chinese are not colonizing African nations....

They are investing where the western world will not....

It could be mutually beneficial......

The thing is that we should always watch out for China, they could later be colonizer and this could be their truest intentions. The Chinese do not have the best record for dealing with African people living in China either. It's nowhere bad as India but we have to be leery.

 

[Ajackson17]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

The Chinese are not colonizing African nations....

They are investing where the western world will not....

It could be mutually beneficial......

The thing is that we should always watch out for China, they could later be colonizer and this could be their truest intentions. The Chinese do not have the best record for dealing with African people living in China either. It's nowhere bad as India but we have to be leery.

 

[Ajackson17]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

The Chinese are not colonizing African nations....

They are investing where the western world will not....

It could be mutually beneficial......

The thing is that we should always watch out for China, they could later be colonizer and this could be their truest intentions. The Chinese do not have the best record for dealing with African people living in China either. It's nowhere bad as India but we have to be leery.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

@The Lonious Monk his "degrees" are a moot point now, but like I told you earlier in this thread I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But let me ask you what part of his message do you have a problem with?

I've answered that question several times. I have a problem with him exaggerating the significance of miscegenation and attempting to discredit the positive work of black men just because they married outside of the race. I have a problem with him making the false statement that "no white person has ever fought against systematic white privilege." That's just from this video. In general, I don't have a problem with Umar's message as a whole. I just disagree with some of the finer points and some of the outlandish things he says to support his message.

And I understand that you gave him the benefit of the doubt, and that's cool. I just don't understand why you have such a problem with others not being as trusting.

What is the bold? He never discredited the work of black men that married outside of their race, he said he can't fully respect a black man that marries outside of their race, that doesn't mean the work is discredited in his eyes. I disagree with that like you do but I see where he is coming from. He said systemically white people has never fought against white privilege sand white supremacy, he did acknowledge that individually whites have fought against those things.

It doesn't matter now it's a moot point.

Miscegenation is just race mixing. And he did discredit their work. He said any black man that marries outside of his race would have a hard time gaining his respect and it doesn't matter what they do, they can't be down for the black community if they don't marry a black woman. That's discrediting their work and their commitment to the community. On top of that, he made extremely broad generalization that ever black man who marries a white woman is doing so because he thinks that proximity to white skin will raise him up. That's just plain wrong, and the fact that he feels the need to make ridiculous statements like that takes away from his message IMO.

There's some truth to that statement. In most cases I would say its not the only reason but it for damn sure is ONE of the reasons.

It's probably true in some cases. I wouldn't even say it's the main reason anymore though. Now it's likely more a matter of proximity. People of different races live and work around each other more closely than they did before, so it stands to reason you'll see more interracial relationships.

 

[bambu]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

The Chinese are not colonizing African nations....

They are investing where the western world will not....

It could be mutually beneficial......

The thing is that we should always watch out for China, they could later be colonizer and this could be their truest intentions. The Chinese do not have the best record for dealing with African people living in China either. It's nowhere bad as India but we have to be leery.

I understand.....

However, china historically has never held the same intentions to colonize.....

I feel like the Chinese are working in their best interest.....

They need resources.....

And African nations need infrastructure.....

The process seems to be taking place through diplomacy.....

Far from the European version.....