Roland Martin vs. Dr. Umar Johnson

[Olorun22]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

The Chinese are not colonizing African nations....

They are investing where the western world will not....

It could be mutually beneficial......

The thing is that we should always watch out for China, they could later be colonizer and this could be their truest intentions. The Chinese do not have the best record for dealing with African people living in China either. It's nowhere bad as India but we have to be leery.

I understand.....

However, china historically has never held the same intentions to colonize.....

I feel like the Chinese are working in their best interest.....

They need resources.....

And African nations need infrastructure.....

The process seems to be taking place through diplomacy.....

Far from the European version.....

How come African American can't built African countries infrastructure?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

The Chinese are not colonizing African nations....

They are investing where the western world will not....

It could be mutually beneficial......

The thing is that we should always watch out for China, they could later be colonizer and this could be their truest intentions. The Chinese do not have the best record for dealing with African people living in China either. It's nowhere bad as India but we have to be leery.

I understand.....

However, china historically has never held the same intentions to colonize.....

I feel like the Chinese are working in their best interest.....

They need resources.....

And African nations need infrastructure.....

The process seems to be taking place through diplomacy.....

Far from the European version.....

How come African American can't built African countries infrastructure?

African Americans can invest in Africa. That's probably a wise investment for those with the money to do so. If you're asking why African Americans can invest to the same extent as a country like China...well I'm hoping you're not asking that question.

 

[bambu]

lol @ all these people coming out of the woodworks to bash people for wanting to see credentials. Talking about "Now we can talk about the message," but not actually saying anything about the message. This shit is hilarious. Both sides of the Umar debate have gotten ridiculous. At this point, we just need to hope someone new takes the mantle and can avoid controversy better.

Anyone that speaks against the system is going to evoke controversy. If that is too much for you then speaking on this might not be for you

Not all controversy is the same though. Some is trumped up and some is legit. Some can't really be defended against and some can be squashed easily. And the issue isn't just the controversy, but also how Umar handles it. Maybe anyone in Umar's position would have come under this controversy, but a more mature and skilled person could have ended it a long time ago.

It was also stated that Umar said, Mandarin is now an official language of South Africa. I wanted to clarify Umar's point. He certainly misspoke which, happens from time to time when going off of the dome. In any case Umar's point that the Chinese are now huge players in Africa is 100% fact which, should be concern because, once again it's a case of Blacks around the globe not being totally in control of their resources, politics and economics. And to drive the point home. Umar I believe meant to say Mandarin is now a part of the South African education curriculum.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conversation-africa/the-latest-linguistic-col_b_8588306.html

The Chinese relationship with Africa in and of itself isn't bad. China is a burgeoning super power. If Africa plays its cards right. It could set itself up to have the kinda relationship with China that West Europe has with the U.S., which for the most part has been mutually beneficial for a long time.

The problem is that Africa doesn't have many strong leaders, so there is no one to ensure that China doesn't take advantage of the continent. It's not too late to turn around though. China is exerting a lot of cultural influence on Africa, but if I'm not mistaken, they are also building a lot of infrastructure too. As Africa gets more powerful the countries in it need to assert themselves more as partners to China rather than supporters of China.

The people that hate miscegenation should be really worried though. China has a problem with its gender ratio. They are set to have millions more men than women in the coming decades. There has already been a trend of those men moving to Africa and making families there, which is really weird considering the Chinese tend to think everyone is less than them.

China isn't build infrastructure for African countries.. it's there to take them away. Have you even look into what's happening or you just going off what they tell you

China is building infrastructure in Africa.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/china-infrastructure-africa_us_57b32e3ae4b0863b0284d2b3

China is building more infrastructure in Africa than any other country. Chinese banks are financing billions of dollars in new loans, aid packages and other deals to build badly-needed infrastructure across the continent, and it’s Chinese companies that are doing most of the engineering and construction work. Between 2009 and 2014, the Chinese signed approximately $328 billion in construction projects in Africa, an average of about $54 billion a year, according to data from the international law firm Baker & McKenzie. This trend is widely expected to continue as Beijing turns to its new development bank, the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, to focus more of its economic diplomacy around the world on building infrastructure.

Even people who don't agree with China's presence in Africa acknowledge that. That said, the fact that you said China is taking away Africa's infrastructure leads me to believe that you don't actually know what infrastructure is. Unless you believe the Chinese are actively stealing bridges and roads from Africa.

China is building in Africa to help china.

those rail lines lead from cities right to the shipping port thats closest to china.

that shit aint going towards the atlantic side.

those africans are working for the chinese.

that shit is sickening to know and see.

The Chinese are not colonizing African nations....

They are investing where the western world will not....

It could be mutually beneficial......

The thing is that we should always watch out for China, they could later be colonizer and this could be their truest intentions. The Chinese do not have the best record for dealing with African people living in China either. It's nowhere bad as India but we have to be leery.

I understand.....

However, china historically has never held the same intentions to colonize.....

I feel like the Chinese are working in their best interest.....

They need resources.....

And African nations need infrastructure.....

The process seems to be taking place through diplomacy.....

Far from the European version.....

How come African American can't built African countries infrastructure?

Well, we (African Americans) don't have a large enough role in the American government to move diplomacy.....

So that leads to private groups of African Americans that would have to make deals with African governments......

And truthfully....

Idk...

If we can afford 90 billion annually....

I also support pan africanism....

And believe the Africans have rights of self determination....

And don't really care about a niggas on the sideline trying to call plays for them.....

 

[luke1733]

Thoughts?

I just watched the whole thing. 6 degrees??? I can respect that.There were a lot of quotables in there. I'm siding with Umar in this one. I don't listen to enough of his stuff to say I support him or agree with him, but based on the 18minutes of this video youtube provided I can say I see very clearly his points and can agree, even if I don't fully agree. Specifically, the white woman black man point was exhausted but I can see his point and think it's valid. Do I write off a black man with a white woman who fights on behalf of African Americans? No, but I can see that there is something peculiar about a ton of us showing too much interest in white women for it not to be seen as a flaw.

On to his other points about Frederick Douglass, he sounded pretty honest. On the point of Mandarin in South African schools he's right; and taught me something I didn't know. On the point of calling that guy a "coon" after that guy called him a liar Umar was right and Roland was wrong for taking sides.

So, again, don't know enough about Umar to say much more than judging him from this interview but he seems abrasive (but maybe that's because four people were all seemingly against him), intelligent, unapologetic. I need to hear more of his sources for what he talks about to check the facts since his credibility seemed to be what Roland was constantly attacking.