TrillRussell;7208571 said:
za'kiss;7207331 said:
TrillRussell;7207224 said:
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TrillRussell;7206968 said:
I aint buying that..Joe losing his cool saved him from an L..I watched every battle..and I called them all straight up and down..Ars bodied Big T,Trex beat Daylyt,Murda Mook Destroyed Lux,and I had Joe up 2-0 until he got in his feelings...It's pretty much popular opinion..I aint coming out of left field with this lol..
Popular opinion by what standards? Every consensus I've seen on battle rap boards has Hollow winning 2-1. You can't win a battle off one round. Of course the Joe Buddens fans that don't know shit about battle rap support him. He's more popular so he might get more points from the masses, but I don't respect a consensus that doesn't know battle rap.
Twitter,Battle Rappers themselves,polls online on different sites etc...and I myself saw Joe Budden take the 1st 2 rounds of that battle...I'm far from A Joe Budden fan..but Joe sonned him in the 1st round..2nd round he got busy.and the crowd was loving that shit..and you can't say they were biased in favor of Joe..because that same crowd caused Joe to lose focus and put his mic down..So there's that
I never made the argument that the crowd is biased. Of course, while we're on the topic, that doesn't mean the crowd is always right either, particularly that crowd. I thought Lux should've gotten more love. I think he would have in another venue.
As for twitter, what of it? I've seen numerous niggas on twitter, rappers themselves, polls online, and the actual judges from the event that called it Hollow 2-1 or 3-0. More importantly, battle rap communities poll in favor of Hollow, but everyone acknowledges both came weak. If you want to convince me that Joe Budden beat Hollow, you ain't going to make a convincing case by pointing out that there are other people that agree with you. I can do that too.
i'll put it this way..If you factor in stage presence and Hollow Invading Budden's space or whatever the case may be...then yeah...cool..but if you talking bars and who's shit was more potent and caught on with the people Joe won those 1st 2 rounds.He carved Hollow up with that rock em to sleep flow..and since when in battle rap does crowd reaction not matter?lol..you can't be serious
Crowd reaction does not matter if you can follow the bars enough to form your own opinion. IDK how often you watch battles...doesn't sound like too often. Crowds are out of touch and/or slow and simple in many cases. With this type of event I'm sure there were many ppl who don't watch a lot of battles, they just came b/c of the hype of this event and the names behind it.
Hollow was clearly more creative with bars. Just because all of his bars didn't get a clear reaction from the ppl there doesn't mean he wasn't spittin' some nice shit. Joe's bars were just slow and extra easy to follow so ppl knew it was their cue to cheer. Here's three bars that got no reaction when Hollow said them:
1. "You was on Sportscenter, recorded on First Take / This sport centered around us recordin' on first take"
That was some slick shit. Something Joe should have considered before he got emotional and dropped the mic in the third round. After he was acting like it's so easy to do he lost his composure.
2. "This not a smart move for ya boss who employed you / for not shuttin' this down y'all should fire Marshall"
No explanation needed b/c it isn't even complex. Thats a decent bar. 0 crowd reaction.
3. Not verbatim but the "Home alone...set ups all over the place" bar
Hollow was more creative with bars and he was more versatile with his delivery.
First half of the first and most of the second for Joe was pretty good for Joe in terms of his rhymes. You can't only bring rhymes to a battle. You have to deliver them with the proper intensity to get the point across. It's not just what you say, it's how you say it. One cadence, one flow, one speed, puts people to sleep and it can lessen the impact of one's words.
