Who handled rap beef the WORST?

[bck145]

Anyone can be robbed. But Pac wasn't robbed by a rapper that was wearing his chain in public or nothing like that. So I don't see how this counts as "rap beef" frankly. When Wu-Tang got robbed in Vegas, who got their shit back for them? Pac! That's how a G handles shit. If Bad Boy was affiliated with those robbers in any way why couldn't they get Pac, their homie not from there, a pass? Because they didn't run shit. Please explain how Bad Boy won the beef w/o releasing any diss tracks. If his murder in Vegas is your answer then Bad Boy lost too when BIG got murdered.

They sold 30 million records in 1997

According to the RIAA, in 1997, Bad Boy sold over 30 million records in the U.S. alone;

• Can’t Nobody Hold Me Down (single) – Puff Daddy & Ma$e 4X Platinum

• Hypnotize (single) – Notorious B.I.G. – Platinum

• I’ll Be Missing You (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family – 3X Platinum

• Its All About The Benjamins (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family - Platinum

• Been Around The World (single) – Puff Daddy & The Family– 2X Platinum

• Life After Death (album) – Notorious B.I.G. 10X Platinum

• No Way Out (album) – Puff Daddy & The Family – 7X Platinum

• Harlem World (album) – Ma$e – 4X Platinum

Tupac was not alive when that happened

 

[Listencloser]

Meek was given a loaded gun and had Drake lined up on the wall. Not only did he shoot himself in the foot, he let Drake pick up the gun and blast back.

 

[DR. JEK]

Biggie and the east coast came away looking super weak from that beef.....no one responded to tupac and tupac had too much influence even on the east coast that it made a lot of new York rappers a running joke back then

@ the bolded. You obviously weren't hip to mix tapes in that era.

And Mobb Deep responded to Pac with Drop a Gem on Em. It was a single.

You've posted those mixtapes multiple times and each time you get the same response...they were weak as fuck.....drop a gem on em was lukewarm at best

But what I mean is biggie. Jayz. Nas....sort of forgot about Mobb deep

You're bugging if you think Doo Wop's mix tapes were "weak as fuck".

In fact, I can't take your opinion seriously. Wop had NYC on lockdown from 95-98 until DJ Clue took over in the late 90s and then Kay Slay from about 01-05. After Kay Slay the internet kind of replaced mix tapes as far as being the primary outlet for new music.

But yeah, white kids in the suburbs might have been getting their info from The Source and/or Yo! MTV Raps but Doo Wop tapes were like gold. They still are.

in fact, @bck145 name ONE Doo Wop tape from 95-98 that was "weak as fuck". Here's a link to most of his tapes from that era. I'll wait.
http://www.f-yourmixtape.com/dj-doo-wop/

And here we go again with Doo Wop. Fact is Pac was shitting on NYC on commercially released platinum records that EVERYONE could here. NYC responds by putting out tracks on mix tapes only NYC can hear. You can see how that is an L for NYC right? And Mobb Deep was too scared to say Pacs name on Drop a Gem on Em. Plus P begged to have his verse taken off of LA,LA. The Mobb didn't want it with the westcoast.

Nonsense.

NYC was in a different stratosphere when all of this was going on. You'd really have to live in New York to understand what the vibe was like. New York had Hot 97 and 125th st along with Video Music Box while everybody else had Yo! MTV Raps and The Source. It was really a different world.

Remember that 2Pac interview when he said, "its like an election, I can lose New York and still win the other 49 states." Well, that's what happened. Cats in Idaho and Nebraska might have preferred Pac and Death Row but the 5 boroughs preferred that fast, uptempo flow with the metaphors, double entendres and alliteration with the mixtape DJ yelling over the track.

So I'll concede that from the perspective of a person in Nebraska it appeared that Pac was "shitting on New York". But cats who actually lived in New York didn't feel that way at all. In fact, from New York's perspective Pac went out like a sucker; he was walking around NYC at 4:00 in the morning with $60,000 worth of jewelry on and got robbed, went to prison and basically got run out of New York. Then instead of handling his business like a G he goes to a recording studio and makes a diss record. Why didn't he really get at Big and Puff instead of making diss records?

I know if I thought somebody robbed me I wouldn't go to the booth and diss him, I'd get my chain back...which Pac never did.

As far as I know Pac never got his jewelry back. Did he?

Why didn't Big go out like a real G when Pac talked about killing his kids? Somebody said that shit on record about my seeds and I see them at the sold train music awards and I dunt already got the Dogg Pound video shot at for less,..how the hell did Tupac get outta that shit without any lumps if you pose to be Francis m to the iz H phenomenal, gun rest under the vest by the abdominal? Don't hit me wit that he said I'm just tryna sell records bullshit either, nigga fucked your wife and spoke on killing your kids, who the hell gets a pass that easily if you pose to be a drug dealing killer wit massive amounts of pull? No beat down atleast? Sheeeid

 

[5 Grand]

Biggie and the east coast came away looking super weak from that beef.....no one responded to tupac and tupac had too much influence even on the east coast that it made a lot of new York rappers a running joke back then

@ the bolded. You obviously weren't hip to mix tapes in that era.

And Mobb Deep responded to Pac with Drop a Gem on Em. It was a single.

You've posted those mixtapes multiple times and each time you get the same response...they were weak as fuck.....drop a gem on em was lukewarm at best

But what I mean is biggie. Jayz. Nas....sort of forgot about Mobb deep

You're bugging if you think Doo Wop's mix tapes were "weak as fuck".

In fact, I can't take your opinion seriously. Wop had NYC on lockdown from 95-98 until DJ Clue took over in the late 90s and then Kay Slay from about 01-05. After Kay Slay the internet kind of replaced mix tapes as far as being the primary outlet for new music.

But yeah, white kids in the suburbs might have been getting their info from The Source and/or Yo! MTV Raps but Doo Wop tapes were like gold. They still are.

in fact, @bck145 name ONE Doo Wop tape from 95-98 that was "weak as fuck". Here's a link to most of his tapes from that era. I'll wait.
http://www.f-yourmixtape.com/dj-doo-wop/

And here we go again with Doo Wop. Fact is Pac was shitting on NYC on commercially released platinum records that EVERYONE could here. NYC responds by putting out tracks on mix tapes only NYC can hear. You can see how that is an L for NYC right? And Mobb Deep was too scared to say Pacs name on Drop a Gem on Em. Plus P begged to have his verse taken off of LA,LA. The Mobb didn't want it with the westcoast.

Nonsense.

NYC was in a different stratosphere when all of this was going on. You'd really have to live in New York to understand what the vibe was like. New York had Hot 97 and 125th st along with Video Music Box while everybody else had Yo! MTV Raps and The Source. It was really a different world.

Remember that 2Pac interview when he said, "its like an election, I can lose New York and still win the other 49 states." Well, that's what happened. Cats in Idaho and Nebraska might have preferred Pac and Death Row but the 5 boroughs preferred that fast, uptempo flow with the metaphors, double entendres and alliteration with the mixtape DJ yelling over the track.

So I'll concede that from the perspective of a person in Nebraska it appeared that Pac was "shitting on New York". But cats who actually lived in New York didn't feel that way at all. In fact, from New York's perspective Pac went out like a sucker; he was walking around NYC at 4:00 in the morning with $60,000 worth of jewelry on and got robbed, went to prison and basically got run out of New York. Then instead of handling his business like a G he goes to a recording studio and makes a diss record. Why didn't he really get at Big and Puff instead of making diss records?

I know if I thought somebody robbed me I wouldn't go to the booth and diss him, I'd get my chain back...which Pac never did.

As far as I know Pac never got his jewelry back. Did he?

Why didn't Big go out like a real G when Pac talked about killing his kids? Somebody said that shit on record about my seeds and I see them at the sold train music awards and I dunt already got the Dogg Pound video shot at for less,..how the hell did Tupac get outta that shit without any lumps if you pose to be Francis m to the iz H phenomenal, gun rest under the vest by the abdominal? Don't hit me wit that he said I'm just tryna sell records bullshit either, nigga fucked your wife and spoke on killing your kids, who the hell gets a pass that easily if you pose to be a drug dealing killer wit massive amounts of pull? No beat down atleast? Sheeeid

Pac got shot 90 days after Hit Em Up was released and died 7 days later. If Big was going to respond its likely that Pac died before he had a chance.

 

[aneed123]

He had 3 months to respond....

 

[scrapper1]

Tupac Shakur. He let Suge put a battery in his back(jumping on Crips and shit), beefing with dudes that never did anything to him (Nas) and influencing millions of black men to partake in a bullshit east vs. west beef and hate each other as gang violence was being glorified and celebrated this was a perfect compliment to tearing our communities apart.

 

[anduin]

Not even close, he's going to be the reigning king of L taking for a long time to come.

 

[Trillfate]

Slapped, beat up, chains snatched >>> memes

 

[a_list]

Here we go with "they didn't say his name" bullshit. Everyone including pac knew they were talking about him. Who else got shot in quad and went to prison afterwards. Niggas dont use y'all heads lol

So tell me why didn't they say his name? I'll tell you. It's called plausible deniability. They wanted to diss Pac and also be able to deny dissing Pac if they needed that option. I'm a big Mobb Deep fan but they were never good at rap beef. Do they have any wins at all?

Mobb Vs. Saigon = L

Mobb Vs. Pac = L

Mobb Vs. Jay = L

Mobb Vs. Nas = L

Mobb Vs. Mobb = Littles dissed them and they Havoc and P went at each other = L

Fail nice try tho, the song was broke as a tupac diss track period hence me telling you everyone knew who they were talking about. You casual Hip Hop fans are the worse. Lol y'all probably the type that didn't know nwa was dissing cube on real niggaz cause they didn't say his name either huh??? Smh

Them niggas still dont know who bit off Nas album cover or who Cannibus wanted to battle on his own sitcom...

 

[DR. JEK]

Biggie and the east coast came away looking super weak from that beef.....no one responded to tupac and tupac had too much influence even on the east coast that it made a lot of new York rappers a running joke back then

@ the bolded. You obviously weren't hip to mix tapes in that era.

And Mobb Deep responded to Pac with Drop a Gem on Em. It was a single.

You've posted those mixtapes multiple times and each time you get the same response...they were weak as fuck.....drop a gem on em was lukewarm at best

But what I mean is biggie. Jayz. Nas....sort of forgot about Mobb deep

You're bugging if you think Doo Wop's mix tapes were "weak as fuck".

In fact, I can't take your opinion seriously. Wop had NYC on lockdown from 95-98 until DJ Clue took over in the late 90s and then Kay Slay from about 01-05. After Kay Slay the internet kind of replaced mix tapes as far as being the primary outlet for new music.

But yeah, white kids in the suburbs might have been getting their info from The Source and/or Yo! MTV Raps but Doo Wop tapes were like gold. They still are.

in fact, @bck145 name ONE Doo Wop tape from 95-98 that was "weak as fuck". Here's a link to most of his tapes from that era. I'll wait.
http://www.f-yourmixtape.com/dj-doo-wop/

And here we go again with Doo Wop. Fact is Pac was shitting on NYC on commercially released platinum records that EVERYONE could here. NYC responds by putting out tracks on mix tapes only NYC can hear. You can see how that is an L for NYC right? And Mobb Deep was too scared to say Pacs name on Drop a Gem on Em. Plus P begged to have his verse taken off of LA,LA. The Mobb didn't want it with the westcoast.

Nonsense.

NYC was in a different stratosphere when all of this was going on. You'd really have to live in New York to understand what the vibe was like. New York had Hot 97 and 125th st along with Video Music Box while everybody else had Yo! MTV Raps and The Source. It was really a different world.

Remember that 2Pac interview when he said, "its like an election, I can lose New York and still win the other 49 states." Well, that's what happened. Cats in Idaho and Nebraska might have preferred Pac and Death Row but the 5 boroughs preferred that fast, uptempo flow with the metaphors, double entendres and alliteration with the mixtape DJ yelling over the track.

So I'll concede that from the perspective of a person in Nebraska it appeared that Pac was "shitting on New York". But cats who actually lived in New York didn't feel that way at all. In fact, from New York's perspective Pac went out like a sucker; he was walking around NYC at 4:00 in the morning with $60,000 worth of jewelry on and got robbed, went to prison and basically got run out of New York. Then instead of handling his business like a G he goes to a recording studio and makes a diss record. Why didn't he really get at Big and Puff instead of making diss records?

I know if I thought somebody robbed me I wouldn't go to the booth and diss him, I'd get my chain back...which Pac never did.

As far as I know Pac never got his jewelry back. Did he?

Why didn't Big go out like a real G when Pac talked about killing his kids? Somebody said that shit on record about my seeds and I see them at the sold train music awards and I dunt already got the Dogg Pound video shot at for less,..how the hell did Tupac get outta that shit without any lumps if you pose to be Francis m to the iz H phenomenal, gun rest under the vest by the abdominal? Don't hit me wit that he said I'm just tryna sell records bullshit either, nigga fucked your wife and spoke on killing your kids, who the hell gets a pass that easily if you pose to be a drug dealing killer wit massive amounts of pull? No beat down atleast? Sheeeid

Pac got shot 90 days after Hit Em Up was released and died 7 days later. If Big was going as

to respond its likely that Pac died before he had a chance.

HE SAW THE NIGGA AT AN EVENT AND DIDNT BEAT HIM UP !!

 

[Trollio]

5 grand still drinks 40s on the stoop with his uncles who never amounted to shit just like him

 

[skpjr78]

Biggie Smalls vacationed in enemy territory like it was a game. Bad move.

Biggie handled it like a pro.

The difference is that cats on the East Coast didn't take the East/West beef seriously. It was a joke and people thought Pac was off his medication.

But cats on the West Coast, especially California took it seriously, like it was a matter of life and death.

I know I was about 22/23 years old when all of this was going down. I remember the Vibe Magazine interview and I thought 2Pac had gone stark raving mad.

Truth be told I wasn't into Pac or Biggie. I was into more underground stuff like Wu Tang, DITC, Bootcamp Click and Gang Starr. I thought Pac and Biggie were "too commercial". I didn't understand that people took it that seriously.

lol at east coast cats running their mouth's and thinking it was a game. clearly it was life and death. ask biggie's widow. wtf is underground about the wu, bcc and gang starr??? if ditc is as underground as you got you were mainstream as fuck. foh

 

[skpjr78]

5 grand still drinks 40s on the stoop with his uncles who never amounted to shit just like him

 

[Ether44mag]

50 cent's sociopathic ways led to the destruction of an entire coast. He's as close to Marlo rising to prominence on the wire as there is in hip hop. He wanted to be king of his house and destroy all in his path so much that he ended up burning the house down for his crown. Now his own city is struggling for an identity in hip hop(which I thought would never happen) and he himself barely has ground to stand on musically. Without power, 50's on a milk carton.

do people actually believe 50 is the reason new york rap fell off ?? hahaha dumb sheeps roll with anything that becomes popular even if it dont make sense smh HOW ??? HOW SWAY ??? someone explain that shit to me in an inteligent way ,yeah the idea sounds cool but it dont make no sense ,what happened was :

cash money ,young jeezy ,lil wayne, etc blew up and ringtones was makin a bunch of money so people copied the south ,If 50 ,fat joe,jadakiss and ja rule never beefed that still would of happened ,it was a new sound and people hopped on it thats it ! Now its that mumble rap shit taking over...trends change thats it smh

in 90-91 it was that quick rapping shit in the east and the west was dominating until ,wu tang ,bootcamp click ,Nas, mobb deep and biggie came around and shifted it back to new york...CYCLES...

Yo, don't be dumb ya whole life.

I said explain to me in an INTELLIGENT WAY...sayin 50 killed new york music is dumb ,Ja rule did not do new york type music his shit was commecial ,Fat Joe and Jadakiss did not stop makin hot music...Nas kept being Nas ,Fabolous too ...Jim jones held the flag for dipset ...so HOW did 50 make people stop listening to new york music ?? HOW ?

I know what Lefty is saying. 50 beefed with everybody when he was at the top. As a result he made people pick sides. He had a lot of power at the time and could get people blacklisted. But over the years he lost his power and pretty much got himself blacklisted. His TV show is popular but he made a fool of himself in that Rick Ross beef. As a result he had to file chapter 11. That's arguably the worst way to handle a beef, to go bankrupt.

If there's anything to be learned from all of this is that beefing, in general, is stupid. It makes more sense to build alliances than to beef.

what does that have to do with the music ? the style of music changed thats all ! the south started poppin and gangsta rap from the east was starting to become redundant ,who got blackballed ?? Fat Joe ?? Jadakiss ?? Fabolous ?? stop it *Shaq Voice* who got B;ackballed ?? certainly not Rick Ross Certainly not the Game who he had beef with so execpt Ja rule nobody suffered from 50 , most got more hype than they had before beefin with him

yeah ok maybe we missed on some Lloyd banks featuring the lox tracks or some 50 and fat joe joints but other than that it had nothing to do on why the south took over

You don't have to be blackballed to suffer from someone else's success. There's a such thing as market share, and what you do with it. The south took over because NY ain't have shit goin on in 2004-2005. That left a hole...

The south had been makin music. You actin like Master P just never existed, and Cash Money wasn't takin over for the 99 and 2000....Still, no real shift, Luda dropped back for the first time when I was 17.... Still a balance, After 50 crushed the buildings, and started beefin with everybody, instead of workin with niggas, nobody wanted to hear what NY niggas not named 50 had to say, their other biggest star at the time, Jay-Z wasn't droppin albums, that gave the south the opportunity it needed, and it knocked that shit out the park.

Here comes lil jon in 03 who had been around, but started to gain real momentum when 50 left a crater from wanting to hold the crown himself, here comes jeezy in 04, here comes the whole damn south about the time trap or die took over. About 2006 I started hearin niggas talkin about bringin NY back, but the damage was done..... You NY niggas answered with MIMS......Mims......Mims my nigga. Biggest song to come out of New York after 50 fucked up ya'll work was a southern anthem. Lean back....That's gotta hurt.

you just proved my point...the south started getting attention while the east was still bubblin and then became MORE and MORE popular because new york did not have no hits! and you proved again my point when talknin about Mims...he had a hit because his song sounded like a SOUTH song but he was from NY...so the problem was not50 havin beefs ,the thing was south music was getting more appealing to people and thats why Mims had a hit...

 

[5 Grand]

Easily Rick Ross, that's the worst I've ever seen. It didn't have the same depth of an effect because Defjam was promoting him heavily. 50 showed you Ross was a CO, had Ross baby mother on thisis50, he made her write a tell all book about Ross, took her shopping with her kids, had Ross' kids at Mayweather house (while those 2 were beefing), she showed documents from child support court that Ross' cars and jewellery were rented except for his escalade that was like 6 years old and how Ross was too broke to pay the child support she wanted (2k a month). Just when you thought that was the worst it could get 50 dropped a sextape of Ross' other baby mother getting her back blown out as he narrated LOLOLOLOLOL and then another video on boobooTV of gunplay knocked out being dragged and disrespected. 50 did a great job exposing Ross as a deadbeat, to the point where I remember Game, Snoop, Jim Jones and Jarule were commenting on how Ross got it bad. Shit was funny af LOLOLOLOL.

That shit was funny af and the worst I have ever seen anyone get disrespected. You can say Jarule but Ja came at 50 on a street level, his only mistake was acknowledging Fif when he should have ignored him. Ross on the other hand was stupid and jaded SMMFH.

Ross beat him with better music and disses .... 50 had to pay that girl millions

That's stupid af, and loser still getting a medal for participation logic. By this logic, Meek Mill beat Drake and Game because Beans took an L, he's released more albums and mixtapes and he lasted SMMFH. If you don't like Fif just say you don't like him LOLOL. Ross was humiliated by Fif.

Ross may have been "humiliated" but 50's still in bankruptcy court. That's 10X worse.

Because a sex tape isn't really a big deal. Everybody does them nowadays..

 

[aneed123]

Ross made the better diss songs... mocked 50 calling him monkey. Got more successful after the beef and 50 had to pay his bm millions.... 50 had to resort to putting a wig on and Coolin as pimpin curly and asking for help from banks ... no way 50 won that homie