Jay-Z - 'Magna Carta Holy Grail'

[Big James]

My questions is, what the fuck happened to Jay's rhyme skills. His shit is borderline garbage nowadays.

 

[rapmastermind]

"Jay Z Blue (Daddy Dearest) is one of the best songs on the album. The song explores Jay feelings about fatherhood and trying to sustain a marriage with a superstar Wife will juggling one of the biggest rap careers as well as mutiple business ventures. I can see why he needs a joint and 3 weeks at the hamptons, lol. The song samples Biggie from his Classic song "My Downfall". As he was eluding to his daughter and the film "Mommy Dearest".

Jay took it a step futher and sampled dialouge from the movie. Big was dealing with fears of success. Jay is dealing with fears of fatherhood. He even spliced in Biggie voice for a few seconds to the point it almost sounded like a duet. It was Errie and gave me chills but it worked perfectly. Also this song was Produced by Timbaland making it the 1st released Timbaland/Biggie callabo. How ever short it was good to hear Big over Tim. The Dramatic Beat is something I could see Big rapping over. But I gave the song 5 MICS in my review and weeks later I feel the same. Amazing song.

 

[Already Home_17]

LOL at this dumbasss sales argument, yeah Wayne sold a mil in the first week twice but only one of his albums have gone past 3 mil in sales. Vol2, Vol3, Black Album have all gone past 3 mil, ya'll are too caught up in the first week. Consistency selling > first week selling.

And Jay's sales have consistently been right below the 2 mill mark over the past 6 years. That's what consistently I'm talking about. From that information I gather that Jay wouldn't easily move past the 2 million mark without the help of Samsung like some claim. That's the exact psychological game Jay-Z plays though. And this is the IC where logic is feelings when someone has a different on your favorite rapper that involved digging beyond the surface.

For the record Im not saying first week sales are more important than anything. Shit, Jay is the one who made it important by constantly bragging about #1 albums which are usually based on first week numbers.

I also find it funny though that Wayne's numbers get dismissed but when you say something about someone else it's perceived as discrediting.

again, bp3 dropped in 2009

 

[mryounggun]

My questions is, what the fuck happened to Jay's rhyme skills. His shit is borderline garbage nowadays.

I think he still can really bet busy when he wants to. He's got some bars sprinkled into MCHG. But I think his music has reached a different kind of place where it's more about the overall theme of the song/album than trying to do tricks on the microphone.

But I feel you. That 'dead presidents' Jay needs to pop up more often.

 

[R.D.]

if you sit still when Tom Ford or FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt come on, you're a fuckin weirdo

 

[Kellmill]

Damn, @buttuh_b you be acting like Jay raped your moms and left condoms on your baby seat. Why so much hate?

 

[texasdaking88]

Butthurt_b??

 

[CJ]

Ew

 

[buttuh_b]

LOL at this dumbasss sales argument, yeah Wayne sold a mil in the first week twice but only one of his albums have gone past 3 mil in sales. Vol2, Vol3, Black Album have all gone past 3 mil, ya'll are too caught up in the first week. Consistency selling > first week selling.

And Jay's sales have consistently been right below the 2 mill mark over the past 6 years. That's what consistently I'm talking about. From that information I gather that Jay wouldn't easily move past the 2 million mark without the help of Samsung like some claim. That's the exact psychological game Jay-Z plays though. And this is the IC where logic is feelings when someone has a different on your favorite rapper that involved digging beyond the surface.

For the record Im not saying first week sales are more important than anything. Shit, Jay is the one who made it important by constantly bragging about #1 albums which are usually based on first week numbers.

I also find it funny though that Wayne's numbers get dismissed but when you say something about someone else it's perceived as discrediting.

again, bp3 dropped in 2009

Again, it took 4 years. Holy Grail will be double plat in less than 2 months.

Let's stop playing stupid.

 

[usmarin3]

LOL at this dumbasss sales argument, yeah Wayne sold a mil in the first week twice but only one of his albums have gone past 3 mil in sales. Vol2, Vol3, Black Album have all gone past 3 mil, ya'll are too caught up in the first week. Consistency selling > first week selling.

And Jay's sales have consistently been right below the 2 mill mark over the past 6 years. That's what consistently I'm talking about. From that information I gather that Jay wouldn't easily move past the 2 million mark without the help of Samsung like some claim. That's the exact psychological game Jay-Z plays though. And this is the IC where logic is feelings when someone has a different on your favorite rapper that involved digging beyond the surface.

For the record Im not saying first week sales are more important than anything. Shit, Jay is the one who made it important by constantly bragging about #1 albums which are usually based on first week numbers.

I also find it funny though that Wayne's numbers get dismissed but when you say something about someone else it's perceived as discrediting.

Lets see if Lil Wayne is relevant commercially when he gets 43, lets see if his crackhead/adhd fanbase are still supporting him when they grow out their teens. Being hot doesn't mean shit, at one point Nelly was hot, Ja Rule was hot,etc, consistency is what counts.

Oh yeah please don't talk about 2 mil mark, how much did the Carter 4 sell, or those I AM NOT A HUMAN BEING ALBUMS sell (gold).

 

[buttuh_b]

LOL at this dumbasss sales argument, yeah Wayne sold a mil in the first week twice but only one of his albums have gone past 3 mil in sales. Vol2, Vol3, Black Album have all gone past 3 mil, ya'll are too caught up in the first week. Consistency selling > first week selling.

And Jay's sales have consistently been right below the 2 mill mark over the past 6 years. That's what consistently I'm talking about. From that information I gather that Jay wouldn't easily move past the 2 million mark without the help of Samsung like some claim. That's the exact psychological game Jay-Z plays though. And this is the IC where logic is feelings when someone has a different on your favorite rapper that involved digging beyond the surface.

For the record Im not saying first week sales are more important than anything. Shit, Jay is the one who made it important by constantly bragging about #1 albums which are usually based on first week numbers.

I also find it funny though that Wayne's numbers get dismissed but when you say something about someone else it's perceived as discrediting.

Lets see if Lil Wayne is relevant commercially when he gets 43, lets see if his crackhead/adhd fanbase are still supporting him when they grow out their teens. Being hot doesn't mean shit, at one point Nelly was hot, Ja Rule was hot,etc, consistency is what counts.

Oh yeah please don't talk about 2 mil mark, how much did the Carter 4 sell, or those I AM NOT A HUMAN BEING ALBUMS sell (gold).

C4 is past 2 mill.

And this is exactly the hypocrisy I'm talkin about. It's acceptable to belittle Wayne's accomplishments but not Jay? Why can't you just give him props for moving units?

 

[buttuh_b]

Being hot doesn't mean shit, being commercially consistent doesn't mean shit. The only thing that means shit is dropping quality music.

 

[usmarin3]

Being hot doesn't mean shit, being commercially consistent doesn't mean shit. The only thing that means shit is dropping quality music.

LMFAO then what the fuck does Lil Wayne have to lean on them if not sales, it damn sure ain't classic albums or timeless music.

Quality music is the last thing i think of when i think of Wayne. When i think of quality music from this generation, Kanye West is the only person that pops in my head. Oh yeah, he consistently shits on Wayne sales wise too.

 

[CoolJoe]

Being hot doesn't mean shit, being commercially consistent doesn't mean shit. The only thing that means shit is dropping quality music.

That's why you're in here arguing about how much Jay would have sold without the Samsung shit, right?

 

[buttuh_b]

Being hot doesn't mean shit, being commercially consistent doesn't mean shit. The only thing that means shit is dropping quality music.

LMFAO then what the fuck does Lil Wayne have to lean on them if not sales, it damn sure ain't classic albums or timeless music.

Quality music is the last thing i think of when i think of Wayne. When i think of quality music from this generation, Kanye West is the only person that pops in my head. Oh yeah, he consistently shits on Wayne sales wise too.

Fuck Lil Wayne. I dont give a fuck about Lil Wayne. Do you not get that my whole purpose when talking about sales is to show how irrelevant it is when indicating quality of music?? Popularity shouldn't determine how good an artist is.

 

[Infamous.H_G_C]

"Jay Z Blue (Daddy Dearest) is one of the best songs on the album. The song explores Jay feelings about fatherhood and trying to sustain a marriage with a superstar Wife will juggling one of the biggest rap careers as well as mutiple business ventures. I can see why he needs a joint and 3 weeks at the hamptons, lol. The song samples Biggie from his Classic song "My Downfall". As he was eluding to his daughter and the film "Mommy Dearest".

Jay took it a step futher and sampled dialouge from the movie. Big was dealing with fears of success. Jay is dealing with fears of fatherhood. He even spliced in Biggie voice for a few seconds to the point it almost sounded like a duet. It was Errie and gave me chills but it worked perfectly. Also this song was Produced by Timbaland making it the 1st released Timbaland/Biggie callabo. How ever short it was good to hear Big over Tim. The Dramatic Beat is something I could see Big rapping over. But I gave the song 5 MICS in my review and weeks later I feel the same. Amazing song.

It is an amazing song, beautifully executed!

 

[lamontbdc]

niggas in here turning record sales into quantitative physics

 

[DNB1]

Being hot doesn't mean shit, being commercially consistent doesn't mean shit. The only thing that means shit is dropping quality music.

LMFAO then what the fuck does Lil Wayne have to lean on them if not sales, it damn sure ain't classic albums or timeless music.

Quality music is the last thing i think of when i think of Wayne. When i think of quality music from this generation, Kanye West is the only person that pops in my head. Oh yeah, he consistently shits on Wayne sales wise too.

Fuck Lil Wayne. I dont give a fuck about Lil Wayne. Do you not get that my whole purpose when talking about sales is to show how irrelevant it is when indicating quality of music?? Popularity shouldn't determine how good an artist is.

If popularity doesn't determine how good an artist is, what does?

I always thought that is something is well liked, it generally means its good....

 

[buttuh_b]

Being hot doesn't mean shit, being commercially consistent doesn't mean shit. The only thing that means shit is dropping quality music.

LMFAO then what the fuck does Lil Wayne have to lean on them if not sales, it damn sure ain't classic albums or timeless music.

Quality music is the last thing i think of when i think of Wayne. When i think of quality music from this generation, Kanye West is the only person that pops in my head. Oh yeah, he consistently shits on Wayne sales wise too.

Fuck Lil Wayne. I dont give a fuck about Lil Wayne. Do you not get that my whole purpose when talking about sales is to show how irrelevant it is when indicating quality of music?? Popularity shouldn't determine how good an artist is.

If popularity doesn't determine how good an artist is, what does?

I always thought that is something is well liked, it generally means its good....

Form an opinion on the music itself, not external factors.

Reason I argue about sales is because I love business. Jay-Z is one of the most fascinating figures in hip hop when it comes to marketing, management and finance.

However I don't think sales are an indication of quality at all. Fuckin fat ass Adele who isn't talented last album sold 30 million copies. But if you wanna give a rapper props on their sales you should be consistent and fair to everyone. If we get to the business and psychological aspect of it we can say why a rapper sold what they sold. Most people are uninformed though.

 

[DarthRozay]

drop that album review buttuh and maybe the thread will get back to discussing the music instead of the sales