Do u feel Blacks associate ourselves with poverty 2much at the cost of not identifying asMiddleClass

[blackrain]

The upper middle class/ upper class blacks often sacrifice their voice and identity to be accepted into the wealth of America.

this statement is worthy of a thread on its own..........how many black folks really make it without compromising themselves in some way/somehow

yes...let's make the thread...an then you an I will fight nigga.

the fukk is compromise. you said it before.

what act more white?

less black?

hold ya pinky out while drinking rose'?

I can't wait for this fight

an dont get "busy" an not show up nigga

I think the definition of compromise is obvious

I just think whether or not it's required in order to be financially successful is what is debatable

I think it's funny u claim u want that debate when u in the Lavar Ball thread talking shit like a hating ass CAC cuz u don't think he's acting "acceptable" enough in order to sell shoes

Its not obvious bruh, i was wondering what exactly u mean by compromise

And Ball is acting like a Jew with his fuckery

how is Ball acting like a "Jew", and why is it considered fuckery? he doing the exact same shit other large businesses already been doing

and as far as compromise in the sense that everybody can agree what "compromise" as a term means

ie. u give up a part of ur true self in order to gain some type of acceptance........like giving up ur religion, or talking a certain way, wearing certain clothes, cutting ur hair a certain way, participating in certain actions that u don't truly believe in all just to get paid

but whether ur compromising urself, or if u even have to compromise urself at all to get money is the real question

In order to honestly have this discussion there needs to be a clear and understood difference between code switching, which we all do in certain especially professional environments, and actually compromising a part of who you are to achieve certain things.

 

[jono]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

The upper middle class/ upper class blacks often sacrifice their voice and identity to be accepted into the wealth of America.

this statement is worthy of a thread on its own..........how many black folks really make it without compromising themselves in some way/somehow

yes...let's make the thread...an then you an I will fight nigga.

the fukk is compromise. you said it before.

what act more white?

less black?

hold ya pinky out while drinking rose'?

I can't wait for this fight

an dont get "busy" an not show up nigga

I think the definition of compromise is obvious

I just think whether or not it's required in order to be financially successful is what is debatable

I think it's funny u claim u want that debate when u in the Lavar Ball thread talking shit like a hating ass CAC cuz u don't think he's acting "acceptable" enough in order to sell shoes

Its not obvious bruh, i was wondering what exactly u mean by compromise

And Ball is acting like a Jew with his fuckery

how is Ball acting like a "Jew", and why is it considered fuckery? he doing the exact same shit other large businesses already been doing

and as far as compromise in the sense that everybody can agree what "compromise" as a term means

ie. u give up a part of ur true self in order to gain some type of acceptance........like giving up ur religion, or talking a certain way, wearing certain clothes, cutting ur hair a certain way, participating in certain actions that u don't truly believe in all just to get paid

but whether ur compromising urself, or if u even have to compromise urself at all to get money is the real question

In order to honestly have this discussion there needs to be a clear and understood difference between code switching, which we all do in certain especially professional environments, and actually compromising a part of who you are to achieve certain things.

thread about to made.....your phone should be ringing to come thru

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

this bolded shit is flames....

problem is.....they hide amonst the hardworking poor an try to say they are alike. so when those finally make it out...they go back to those like them and hardworking poor an say they different than us...they think like them now.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

 

[NoCompetition]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

 

[jono]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Everybody has advantages, there's always something unique about you that other people don't have.

There was a kid here in Detroit that graduated high school and he was homeless. Dude would catch the bus from his shelter to school everyday.

Just living in a house can be an advantage.

There was a gentleman who walked 5 miles to work and back everyday for over a decade.

Just having a car can be an advantage.

The point is to take stock of your advantages and figure out how to use them.

I just saw a video of a young girl who had like autism or celebral palsy but she was good at painting.

Just being able to communicate is an advantage.

Alot of people who were born poor will die poor, that is a fact but part of the reason is because they internalized bad habits and failed to believe in themselves.

Folk out here making babies, doing drugs and yes I include smoking weed as doing drugs, partying, chasing pussy/dick, and wasting their lives away.

We waste money on cigarettes, expensive clothes and liquors, chasing down the new iphone etc

This ain't just black folks either, this is people in general.

If you got to borrow money you shouldn't have any bad habits. No weed, no liq, nothing.

If you don't have a job you shouldn't have any bad habits.

If you not where you want to be in life, you shouldn't have any bad habits.

Nobody's perfect, i get that. I know everyone has flaws but you need to know that those flaws can and will keep you from getting where you want to be.

You got to defend your success jealously, and shun shit and people who threaten it. That might mean cutting friends off, not chasing that big booty broad up the block or that baller that keep hollering at you.

Focus on your shit. Too many can't and don't do that, the fucked up thing is...That's the basics.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.

does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

Lol

Of course he worked hard

But Jordan was also blessed with a rare combination of skill and athleticism and intelligence

Not to mention he had two parents who provided him with a stable and supportive home life which many ppl in the "hood" dont have

And with Obama he was globe trotting as a youngster ...while most kids never leave their block ...that was a major advantage

Had a highly educated mother and two grandparents who loved and supported him unconditionally....those were major advantages

Dude was of above average intelligence ....thats another major advantage

Plus as i was saying there was a lot of luck involved

 

[MarcusGarvey]

Because African Americans are the poorest in the richest country. Median black family is worth less than $2,000 compared to whites of $110,000.

Until people accept that and demand reparations (which would not be paid to immigrant blacks), collectively the situation won't change, no matter how much you strive

 

[(Nope)]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.



does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

Man, if this is what you're saying to people you want to motivate, you need to rethink your approach.

 

[5th Letter]

"If you're poor just stop being poor"- 2stepz_ahead

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.



does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

Man, if this is what you're saying to people you want to motivate, you need to rethink your approach.

yep....gotcha

sooooo,

my base is not belive in yourself?

"If you're poor just stop being poor"- 2stepz_ahead

an I said that when?

crazy thing is y'all really don't see how you are viewing yourselves.

smdh

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Because African Americans are the poorest in the richest country. Median black family is worth less than $2,000 compared to whites of $110,000.

Until people accept that and demand reparations (which would not be paid to immigrant blacks), collectively the situation won't change, no matter how much you strive

ya know.....

I read alot of your posts.

you got potential.

you are better than what I'm reading now.

the very name you name yourself after would not allow you to relax. would he say...give up and wait?

your post is very valid... but it doesn't stop there.

don't ask for crumbs from someone who don't want you to eat.

that's the first mistake.

second. we have the power to change. if y'all don't see the power we have in just the leaps we made from slavery to where we are today...you are brainwashed and those very people who you are saying is holding you back has already won by controlling your thoughts and made you defeat yourself.

no one is saying it's easy.

no one is saying you must be a millionaire.

you niggas are going to extremes not me.

I'm saying make a nigga stop you from getting it.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Everybody has advantages, there's always something unique about you that other people don't have.

There was a kid here in Detroit that graduated high school and he was homeless. Dude would catch the bus from his shelter to school everyday.

Just living in a house can be an advantage.

There was a gentleman who walked 5 miles to work and back everyday for over a decade.

Just having a car can be an advantage.

The point is to take stock of your advantages and figure out how to use them.

I just saw a video of a young girl who had like autism or celebral palsy but she was good at painting.

Just being able to communicate is an advantage.

Alot of people who were born poor will die poor, that is a fact but part of the reason is because they internalized bad habits and failed to believe in themselves.

Folk out here making babies, doing drugs and yes I include smoking weed as doing drugs, partying, chasing pussy/dick, and wasting their lives away.

We waste money on cigarettes, expensive clothes and liquors, chasing down the new iphone etc

This ain't just black folks either, this is people in general.

If you got to borrow money you shouldn't have any bad habits. No weed, no liq, nothing.

If you don't have a job you shouldn't have any bad habits.

If you not where you want to be in life, you shouldn't have any bad habits.

Nobody's perfect, i get that. I know everyone has flaws but you need to know that those flaws can and will keep you from getting where you want to be.

You got to defend your success jealously, and shun shit and people who threaten it. That might mean cutting friends off, not chasing that big booty broad up the block or that baller that keep hollering at you.

Focus on your shit. Too many can't and don't do that, the fucked up thing is...That's the basics.

So are you saying most ppl are poor or low income or struggling mainly because they are either lazy and or ignorant and or irresponsible????

There is isnt any other forces and circumstances at work? Because thats the question.

Also some ppl have more advantages in this life than others, i.e. Michael Jordan. Or rather what i may possess may not be of much value opposed to what you possess. You think had he not been born with his physical attributes and athleticism he'd be as successful as he is ?

Which brings me to race. There is a such thing as white privilege. Plenty of mediocre white ppl have gone on to be successful and even some have become presidents

U seem like you mean well, but life is not as easy or blk and white as you are making it seem. No one makes the conscious decision to partake in activities or and bad habits to the detriment of their careers or futures. But we do it because we have an addiction; we do it to cope with lost; we do it to self medicate; we do it because we dont see any other viliable options; we do it because we are young still developing minds cannot yet grasp the consequences; we do it because as studies have shown stress makes humans do dumb shit

Shit i knew plenty of young women and girls who got pregnant in highschool because they didnt have anyone there who helped to support and cultivate their dreams or they felt like they needed love and purpose or and they weren't the brightest students. Young women you couldn't reason with because the choice was an emotional one

And though worthy tenants to live by, it's definitely not easy not partaking in age old vices like drugs, promiscuity, materialism, etc living in this country where these things are often times glorifed and encouraged. Especially for teens and young twenty somethings

So yea its kinda almost as if you are denying the most disadvantaged of us and or who have experienced the most lost the latitude to be human which is what the real problem is

And u speak of materialism and unplanned pregnancies being major contributing problems to poverty

But, and is not to say you are completely wrong because we can be are own biggest enemies, most Americans are drowning in medical and student loan debt, especially blk Americans. Just think we live in a country were a couple days stay in the hospital can cost you over 10k. Thats ridiculous. But you want to complain about ppl buying iphones???

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Everybody has advantages, there's always something unique about you that other people don't have.

There was a kid here in Detroit that graduated high school and he was homeless. Dude would catch the bus from his shelter to school everyday.

Just living in a house can be an advantage.

There was a gentleman who walked 5 miles to work and back everyday for over a decade.

Just having a car can be an advantage.

The point is to take stock of your advantages and figure out how to use them.

I just saw a video of a young girl who had like autism or celebral palsy but she was good at painting.

Just being able to communicate is an advantage.

Alot of people who were born poor will die poor, that is a fact but part of the reason is because they internalized bad habits and failed to believe in themselves.

Folk out here making babies, doing drugs and yes I include smoking weed as doing drugs, partying, chasing pussy/dick, and wasting their lives away.

We waste money on cigarettes, expensive clothes and liquors, chasing down the new iphone etc

This ain't just black folks either, this is people in general.

If you got to borrow money you shouldn't have any bad habits. No weed, no liq, nothing.

If you don't have a job you shouldn't have any bad habits.

If you not where you want to be in life, you shouldn't have any bad habits.

Nobody's perfect, i get that. I know everyone has flaws but you need to know that those flaws can and will keep you from getting where you want to be.

You got to defend your success jealously, and shun shit and people who threaten it. That might mean cutting friends off, not chasing that big booty broad up the block or that baller that keep hollering at you.

Focus on your shit. Too many can't and don't do that, the fucked up thing is...That's the basics.

So are you saying most ppl are poor or low income or struggling mainly because they are either lazy and or ignorant and or irresponsible????

There is isnt any other forces and circumstances at work? Because thats the question. And what about race. Plenty of mediocre white ppl have gone on to be successful and even some have become presidents

U speak of materialism and unplanned pregnancies being major contributing problems to poverty

But, and is not to say you are completely wrong because we can be are own biggest enemies, most Americans are drowning in medical and student loan debt, especially blk Americans. Just think we live in a country were a couple days stay in the hospital can cost you over 10k

I knew plenty of young women and girls who got pregnant in highschool because they didnt have anyone there who helped to support and cultivate their dreams or they felt like they needed love and purpose or and they weren't the brightest students. Young women you couldn't reason with because the choice was an emotional one

U seem like you mean well, but life is not as easy or blk and white as you are making it seem. No one makes the conscious decision to partake in activities or and bad habits to the detriment of their careers or futures. But we do it because we have an addiction; we do it to cope with lost; we do it to self medicate

And though worthy tenants to live by, it's definitely not easy not partaking in age old vices like drugs, promiscuity, materialism, etc living in this country where these things are often times glorifed and encouraged. Especially for teens and young twenty somethings

And what about those of us who lack the intelligence or the mental fortitude or the opportunity or the luck to rise above their circumstances ...

So yea its kinda almost as if you are denying the most disadvantaged of us and or who have experienced the most lost the latitude to be human which is what the real problem is

hmmm....

so many places to go with this....its late here so I'll just do this one

at the bold...

are people willing to accept help , do they know how to accept help, or do they even identify with someone willing to help them without suspicion?

honestly. I sat in barbershops for years an listened to people who can think circles around me but didn't have the drive to capitalize on it because of local forces. I already know where that statement is going so next....

I'm sure you went thru this thread an others...

can we agree there are people who are just comfortable complaining about something they are not living. they talking about the shit they see from others .

a few other things I would like to touch on but....I'll fall back.

for now

 

[(Nope)]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.



does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

Man, if this is what you're saying to people you want to motivate, you need to rethink your approach.

yep....gotcha

sooooo,

my base is not belive in yourself?

"If you're poor just stop being poor"- 2stepz_ahead

an I said that when?

crazy thing is y'all really don't see how you are viewing yourselves.

smdh

That's not what I said and if you read my previous posts, then you'd see I've never done that. You should always assume competence, and to your credit, I don't believe that there is a thing that you think people can't do!

With this in mind I need to tell you that your words are not encouraging people, you are shaming people. You're also wanting to help based on what YOUR experience is. Your experience is only valuable in how it shapes your disposition, and what I'm getting from you is that you look around and see yourself everywhere.

You can't inculcate people with what you perceive as your intangibles by telling them what you think is wrong with them. If you're doing well, telling someone that isn't doing well "you're poor, you got all the time in the world" is only going to make them angry. Even if you know better, try taking a not-knowing posture and meet folks where they are at. Ask some questions and you'll probably find out that each person isn't the same. Each individual is complex and has complex needs and problems. Including you!

It's not just drive and hard-work my guy. Most of us intend to live our lives and die with some subjective level of dignity and purpose. Try asking people what that means for them and encourage that without expectation or assumptions.

 

[jono]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Everybody has advantages, there's always something unique about you that other people don't have.

There was a kid here in Detroit that graduated high school and he was homeless. Dude would catch the bus from his shelter to school everyday.

Just living in a house can be an advantage.

There was a gentleman who walked 5 miles to work and back everyday for over a decade.

Just having a car can be an advantage.

The point is to take stock of your advantages and figure out how to use them.

I just saw a video of a young girl who had like autism or celebral palsy but she was good at painting.

Just being able to communicate is an advantage.

Alot of people who were born poor will die poor, that is a fact but part of the reason is because they internalized bad habits and failed to believe in themselves.

Folk out here making babies, doing drugs and yes I include smoking weed as doing drugs, partying, chasing pussy/dick, and wasting their lives away.

We waste money on cigarettes, expensive clothes and liquors, chasing down the new iphone etc

This ain't just black folks either, this is people in general.

If you got to borrow money you shouldn't have any bad habits. No weed, no liq, nothing.

If you don't have a job you shouldn't have any bad habits.

If you not where you want to be in life, you shouldn't have any bad habits.

Nobody's perfect, i get that. I know everyone has flaws but you need to know that those flaws can and will keep you from getting where you want to be.

You got to defend your success jealously, and shun shit and people who threaten it. That might mean cutting friends off, not chasing that big booty broad up the block or that baller that keep hollering at you.

Focus on your shit. Too many can't and don't do that, the fucked up thing is...That's the basics.

So are you saying most ppl are poor or low income or struggling mainly because they are either lazy and or ignorant and or irresponsible????

I didn't say that. What I'm saying is do everything in your power before you blame someone else for your circumstances.

There is isnt any other forces and circumstances at work? Because thats the question.

Also some ppl have more advantages in this life than others, i.e. Michael Jordan. Or rather what i may possess may not be of much value opposed to what you possess. You think had he not been born with his physical attributes and athleticism he'd be as successful as he is ?

Which brings me to race. There is a such thing as white privilege. Plenty of mediocre white ppl have gone on to be successful and even some have become presidents

Nobody can guarantee you millions of dollars and independence but you have a better chance of making it if you find your gift and work it.

Also when it comes to white privilege, I say don't worry about that shit. Usain Bolt can afford to look behind him while running because he's so far ahead. If you fighting for second you need to keep your head on straight and keep moving forward.

U seem like you mean well, but life is not as easy or blk and white as you are making it seem. No one makes the conscious decision to partake in activities or and bad habits to the detriment of their careers or futures. But we do it because we have an addiction; we do it to cope with lost; we do it to self medicate; we do it because we dont see any other viliable options; we do it because we are young still developing minds cannot yet grasp the consequences; we do it because as studies have shown stress makes humans do dumb shit

Whether you do it consciously or not doesn't change what happens.

But lets be real There's alot of people ruining their own lives, careers and relationships over stupid shit. Intentionally or not you got to accept that you did it. Hopefully people can overcome it.

Shit i knew plenty of young women and girls who got pregnant in highschool because they didnt have anyone there who helped to support and cultivate their dreams or they felt like they needed love and purpose or and they weren't the brightest students. Young women you couldn't reason with because the choice was an emotional one

And though worthy tenants to live by, it's definitely not easy not partaking in age old vices like drugs, promiscuity, materialism, etc living in this country where these things are often times glorifed and encouraged. Especially for teens and young twenty somethings

So yea its kinda almost as if you are denying the most disadvantaged of us and or who have experienced the most lost the latitude to be human which is what the real problem is

That's where personal strength comes in. It takes strength to overcome temptations. It may be a shame that some people aren't instilled with that strength and they don't find it until later.

In any case you have no choice but to live with what you've done and hopefully you have the strength of character to overcome being pregnant in high school.

At the end of the day though there ain't a boy or girl in H.S. that don't know sex opens you up to pregnancy and having babies.

And u speak of materialism and unplanned pregnancies being major contributing problems to poverty

But, and is not to say you are completely wrong because we can be are own biggest enemies, most Americans are drowning in medical and student loan debt, especially blk Americans. Just think we live in a country were a couple days stay in the hospital can cost you over 10k. Thats ridiculous. But you want to complain about ppl buying iphones???

Iphones and hospital costs are different. Nobody asks for a 10k surgery or procedure but people DO chase iphones and choose to spent money on that.

One may be a necessity to live or increase quality of life while the other is a luxury.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.



does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

Man, if this is what you're saying to people you want to motivate, you need to rethink your approach.

yep....gotcha

sooooo,

my base is not belive in yourself?

"If you're poor just stop being poor"- 2stepz_ahead

an I said that when?

crazy thing is y'all really don't see how you are viewing yourselves.

smdh

That's not what I said and if you read my previous posts, then you'd see I've never done that. You should always assume competence, and to your credit, I don't believe that there is a thing that you think people can't do!

With this in mind I need to tell you that your words are not encouraging people, you are shaming people. You're also wanting to help based on what YOUR experience is. Your experience is only valuable in how it shapes your disposition, and what I'm getting from you is that you look around and see yourself everywhere.

You can't inculcate people with what you perceive as your intangibles by telling them what you think is wrong with them. If you're doing well, telling someone that isn't doing well "you're poor, you got all the time in the world" is only going to make them angry. Even if you know better, try taking a not-knowing posture and meet folks where they are at. Ask some questions and you'll probably find out that each person isn't the same. Each individual is complex and has complex needs and problems. Including you!

It's not just drive and hard-work my guy. Most of us intend to live our lives and die with some subjective level of dignity and purpose. Try asking people what that means for them and encourage that without expectation or assumptions.

how about this....

just from my experience..... once I was out of the darkness I saw how I held myself back.

once I saw the world, I came back an daw we have a chance.

how about once I got money. I wanted us to all have money.

only thing I really challenge is the rules we givern ourselves by.

THAT is not just me. that's why u say black people outside the hood mentality can make it and better themselves. making it is just that...just not bring poor no more. hood mentality is ratchet and fukkery and mentally being poor. not being poor in the financial sense.

my words can be taken any way people take them. but I find it funny how fukkery can be easily influened by my typed words are shaming. am I saying bad poor people, shame on you? no.

I am saying... I seen the inner workings of these others...we can take em. we are better than them. but you must get yourself together first.

I'll use my example of a coach walking the school playground.

coach walking thru the school playground on his way to the car. he see an unknown kid breaking ankles. he goes over to watch the game in its entirety an is in awe of the kids potential. after the game , he approached the kid. asks his name and tells him he should join the team and showers the kid with compliments. the next day the kid shows up. he joins the shoot around but is now halfassing an not showing the skill he had the day before. the coach goes over to him and asks him why. kid say he just ain't feeling it. the coach goes on to tell him how good he is an he shouldn't waste his talent playing behind a school. kid assumes he's talking down on him and storms out. craxy thing is the coach already had him replacing his starter just off sheer raw talent he saw. the starter sending he woulda been replaced began to practice long hours to sharpen his shitty skills do this shit won't happen again. starter went on to have a good year. the kid clowned the coach with his friends in the playground, but secretly wishing he woulda stayed. but none of his friend told him he should go back either.

hungry and hunger.

sometimes an opportunity comes an you might not be ready. but you might. but you have to be able to see it.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Well let's be honest, no matter what attributes you say is the reason for someone's success there are millions who are in the same boat and didn't have the same success.

Millions of 6'4" niggas ain't Michael Jordan

Millions of mixed niggas ain't Barack Obama etc

We can do that for any attribute you want. What makes a person is their experiences and how they handled it.

Taking risks and sacrificing, working hard and making better choices, that's what its about really.

You ain't gotta be perfect, nobody is perfect.

You do have to be persistent and you do have to believe in yourself.

People fear failure and rejection, they don't really believe in themselves and they make poor decisions there should be no surprise why they're stick in the hood.

Lol

Whats will these sweeping generalizations

There are plenty of 6'4 niggas around but very few blessed with the athleticism, coordination and intelligence and upbringing of a Michael Jordan

Same with Obama, plenty of mixed niggas around... but Obama was blessed with a high IQ, a way with words, educated parents and a stable home life

Point being they grew up with plenty of advantages. Not to mention with success there is a lot of luck involved

I'd argue Mike wouldnt be close to the man he is today had his father who played a major role in his upbringing been killed when Mike was in grade school opposed to when he was an adult

Hard work and confidence is important but lets not pretend as though circumstances don't matter or matter very little...shit is far from the truth...

Its no coincidence most ppl who are born poor will die poor

And lets talk about what poverty related stress does to the brain, especially the young brain

I'd encourage anyone to strive to be their best but this idea that the ppl who live in the hood are there simply because of something they failed to do needs to die

Also someone like Jordan out worked everybody else too. He was in the gym. Same with Obama he studied hard.

sooo

let me ask you this.

what's stopping a poor person from doing the same?

if you poor. you have nothing but time.

what are you using the time for? what are you doing?

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you just have two reasons or excuses.



does money really stop a work wthis or reading?

is hungry different in your part of the world?

Mike had a father

Obama didn't

neither may have missed a meal but both were hungry.

if I'm correct, missing meals should make you hungry-ER.

crazy how perspective works huh?

Man, if this is what you're saying to people you want to motivate, you need to rethink your approach.

yep....gotcha

sooooo,

my base is not belive in yourself?

"If you're poor just stop being poor"- 2stepz_ahead

an I said that when?

crazy thing is y'all really don't see how you are viewing yourselves.

smdh

That's not what I said and if you read my previous posts, then you'd see I've never done that. You should always assume competence, and to your credit, I don't believe that there is a thing that you think people can't do!

With this in mind I need to tell you that your words are not encouraging people, you are shaming people. You're also wanting to help based on what YOUR experience is. Your experience is only valuable in how it shapes your disposition, and what I'm getting from you is that you look around and see yourself everywhere.

You can't inculcate people with what you perceive as your intangibles by telling them what you think is wrong with them. If you're doing well, telling someone that isn't doing well "you're poor, you got all the time in the world" is only going to make them angry. Even if you know better, try taking a not-knowing posture and meet folks where they are at. Ask some questions and you'll probably find out that each person isn't the same. Each individual is complex and has complex needs and problems. Including you!

It's not just drive and hard-work my guy. Most of us intend to live our lives and die with some subjective level of dignity and purpose. Try asking people what that means for them and encourage that without expectation or assumptions.

but what does either mean if they dont believe in themselves.

everyone has dreams...we need to work on the esteem part.

but we all got excuses an reasons not to try.

your struggle is not harder than mine or how it once was....but how about listening to how I got out and adapt it to fit you.