Do u feel Blacks associate ourselves with poverty 2much at the cost of not identifying asMiddleClass

[2stepz_ahead]

if your child comes home everyday. an eats lile crazy. you ask them why they got such an appetite. they tell you people at school are kicking their ass an taking their lunch and beating them up on the way home an taking their money..... what will you do?

teach to fight?

try to protect them fighting their battle or change schools?

let's say they are bringing home b's and c's when you know they are A students. you ask them why and they say... but it's passing. why work harder when this is passing? will you be OK with it?

will you say to them, you know they are better and try to help them become better and find out why they think like this or agree it's OK?

if you worked hard to provide for your family and give them a good life, an they go into bad parts of town just to be viewed a certain way. what would you do?

 

[CapitalB]

now while i see all the stats...all that can be changed with. mentality.

poor is not about location as it's more about the mind.

I have often ran into people who I know for a fact are better than what they portray.

hell. even on this site are constant examples of poor mentality than anything.

case an point....the moment someone says..." you made it out the hood and think". real shit...that statement invalidates anything you say afterwards...simply because you are assuming the location dictated the mentality. why should someone who made it out be proud or a bit arrogant since there are so many reasons why they shouldn't?.

not gonna point out my nigga..but I once heard Obama aint like us cause he from Hawaii so he don't understand the hood.

I have quite a few problems with that statement.

it's like ok. if he was a hybrid from the hood could he still had been president? did he become president because he wasn't hood? why does his location cancel out his understanding the struggle of being black?

he may not have missed a meal but is he still a black man? if anything. you would think his struggle was harder cause he grew up in hawaii. Hawaii is racist as fukk now. at this moment. how you think it was growing up in the time he was there?

but rather than understanding his struggle people rather give him an out an say he made it because. as if being black changes because.

I'll ask this question again...

what's the difference between a black man in Hawaii and a black man in a US inner city?

ill tell you..

nothing, but the amount and type of excuses.

I'm ready for this fight today

give me a few hrs..

im on the road but we can have this fight! lmao

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I ask those questions because sometimes niggas hustle backwards.

I'm not speaking to those of you who are working hard...never was. sometimes working hard depending on circumstances will still leave you in a certain place...but that won't change how you think or your work ethic.

so those of you who are grinding 24/7 to get to a point or goal or get that promotion...you. really don't need to say anything cause you are already showing to yourself...you are better than where you were. you are not limiting yourself. applause... you understand progression.

I am speaking to those who are OK with trying because such an such...OK with average or to keep it real or keep it 100.

fukk that.

you owe it to yourself an those you love to grind and be the best you can be until you die and associating with fukkery should not have room in your head.

but let me end with....

again I will say...it's alot of very smart, very talented people in the hood but they are poor mentality if they think being black means being the stereotypical definition of being hood.

why can't the hood be associated with not having alot of money so you are in a certain location right now rather than being black?

so people in the hood can't be good. articulate, goal oriented people?

why are those people considered speaking white or sellouts?

yet the niggas who are crabs are not sellouts?

coon and sellout getss thrown around waaaaay to easy.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

now while i see all the stats...all that can be changed with. mentality.

poor is not about location as it's more about the mind.

I have often ran into people who I know for a fact are better than what they portray.

hell. even on this site are constant examples of poor mentality than anything.

case an point....the moment someone says..." you made it out the hood and think". real shit...that statement invalidates anything you say afterwards...simply because you are assuming the location dictated the mentality. why should someone who made it out be proud or a bit arrogant since there are so many reasons why they shouldn't?.

not gonna point out my nigga..but I once heard Obama aint like us cause he from Hawaii so he don't understand the hood.

I have quite a few problems with that statement.

it's like ok. if he was a hybrid from the hood could he still had been president? did he become president because he wasn't hood? why does his location cancel out his understanding the struggle of being black?

he may not have missed a meal but is he still a black man? if anything. you would think his struggle was harder cause he grew up in hawaii. Hawaii is racist as fukk now. at this moment. how you think it was growing up in the time he was there?

but rather than understanding his struggle people rather give him an out an say he made it because. as if being black changes because.

I'll ask this question again...

what's the difference between a black man in Hawaii and a black man in a US inner city?

ill tell you..

nothing, but the amount and type of excuses.

I'm ready for this fight today

This post is very ironic. So you downplay African Americans and their struggle on some "bah you have no excuses" but turn around and tell us "we need to understand Obama's struggle", you yourself seem to act like you don't understand African American struggles and chalk it up to niggas being able to do better but choose to live shitty.

here you go.

I'm not downplaying the struggle....

not sure how you got that.

what I am saying is other people have struggled that are not from the hood. we all have struggles. but being from the hood doesn't automatically mean yours was harder than someone else's who black. struggles are different.

that's why I say...its not location it is mentality.

an nigga please tell me how I don't understand?

why would you assume I dont know?

because I call iout niggas who do stay content?

what that gotta do with the man who busting his ass for his family who didn't make it out YET? they are not the same. but you trynna to put them under one umbrella to defend your argue against the post.

wasted potential is just that.

why is it that everytime somekne says we can do better or you are better...that taken as negative?

is that not what I posted someone was gonna say?

so now encouragement equals not understanding a struggle?

bruh you better than that....reread what you said.

You did say you wanted a fight today so I see you're being argumentative right now. My point is that you have to keep it consistent if you can call out niggas then niggas can call out Obama. It's fair game.

but is it?

the game aint fair.

his mentality was not limited to his locations rules.

no matter what y'all say. there are unwritten rules.

question is why are we allowing fukk niggas to write them?

but as far as people calling out Obama..why are they taking away from his hard work and reducing him to where he was from?

alot of prople ade it out the hoods...

what are black doctors and black lawyers and shit..what are their excuses?

you can disregard that sports people are physically more gifted......but still an excuse.

you just took away from. their hardwork. to get to that point.

feel me

 

[(Nope)]

so. help me understand.... if I say you can't do better and you'll never be shit.....would that be challenged like what's being challenged?

how would you challenge it?

how would you prove that statement wrong?

Is this in response to what I said?

Because my basic argument would be that we should always assume competence, but you meet people where they are at. That means understanding the affects of stimuli in one's environment. People need to be heard and need their experience validated before you can say "you're not that and you need to change." Moreover, by affirming someone's feelings, you give them the opportunity to take on an alternative perspective." For instance, If someone says to you "my life is terrible" and you agree, you create room for a discrepancy. A lot of the things we tell ourselves would sound crazy if said to or by someone else.

People are experts on their own lives and if your basic message is to assume competence and offer folks positive regard without equivocations, you empower them by modeling behavior, rather than beating someone over the head with value imposition and world view.

Also, a couple posts down you say "I'm not talking to the people working hard" that's subjective my guy. That's based on what you think working hard is and any metric of social mobility will show you that working hard is not a definitive correlate of change. People who make it out are the exception and not the rule. By telling people "you don't work hard. so you deserve or don't deserve this" you are telling them that all the other bad shit that is happening to them (that they have no control over) is also their fault. So people will personalize things like being poor, because you have essentially told them that it is their fault that they are poor.

 

[playmaker88]

Thread title is mind bottling.. i aint gonna pretend i read all that.. because i didn't read all that

I think attributing negative shit as a the representation of "authenticity" has more cost.

What is considered middle class? I mean the middle of the middle class.. i think there is a wide gulf between the levels of middle class the.. middleclass where you are damn near paycheck to paycheck.. to doing well.. and in ground pool status.

I skimmed the end of @2stepz_ahead

here goes the thing i was saying about attributing negative/stereotypical as authenticity.. see there are two different type of coons the street coon.. which doesnt get much press.. and the lap dog.. we always hear about the Jesse lee Peterson. Armstrong Williams.. so on and so forth but you have the others who seek to drag down them an everyone around them by poor willful decisions . unfortunately these types dont die they multiply . We need more accountability and less hypocrisy across the board

 

[blackrain]

I've said before on the IC that for a certain group of folks being black is automatically associated with struggling. Like if you somehow didn't struggle financially you haven't really lived the black experience. Its why some look at niggas from the suburbs as being soft or corny and why some of those same suburban kids will go out of their way to do stupid shit to show how tough they are. Its an ass backwards mentality that does harm

 

[Lefty_]

Wow. This is pretty stupid. Identify as a black man in America and move as such. No matter what your pockets look like, you still a nigga in a coupe.

You can move up in economic status and not forget where you come from.

Economic mobility doesn't mean you have to just shirk your old life for your new one. It means you stay humble and hold on to the good parts of where you came from to get you where you are.

In life. Everything is not black and white.

Fuck I look like goin back to where I came from and movin a whole different way because I'm "middle class" now?

At the same time, you shouldn't be ostracized because you didn't struggle, that means your fuckin parents cared about you, or cared about themselves enough to not go through that. I think it's good that niggas dig themselves out of poverty, it's better for their children.

Somebody is living in the shade today because someone else planted a tree a long time ago.

 

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[5th Letter]

now while i see all the stats...all that can be changed with. mentality.

poor is not about location as it's more about the mind.

I have often ran into people who I know for a fact are better than what they portray.

hell. even on this site are constant examples of poor mentality than anything.

case an point....the moment someone says..." you made it out the hood and think". real shit...that statement invalidates anything you say afterwards...simply because you are assuming the location dictated the mentality. why should someone who made it out be proud or a bit arrogant since there are so many reasons why they shouldn't?.

not gonna point out my nigga..but I once heard Obama aint like us cause he from Hawaii so he don't understand the hood.

I have quite a few problems with that statement.

it's like ok. if he was a hybrid from the hood could he still had been president? did he become president because he wasn't hood? why does his location cancel out his understanding the struggle of being black?

he may not have missed a meal but is he still a black man? if anything. you would think his struggle was harder cause he grew up in hawaii. Hawaii is racist as fukk now. at this moment. how you think it was growing up in the time he was there?

but rather than understanding his struggle people rather give him an out an say he made it because. as if being black changes because.

I'll ask this question again...

what's the difference between a black man in Hawaii and a black man in a US inner city?

ill tell you..

nothing, but the amount and type of excuses.

I'm ready for this fight today

This post is very ironic. So you downplay African Americans and their struggle on some "bah you have no excuses" but turn around and tell us "we need to understand Obama's struggle", you yourself seem to act like you don't understand African American struggles and chalk it up to niggas being able to do better but choose to live shitty.

here you go.

I'm not downplaying the struggle....

not sure how you got that.

what I am saying is other people have struggled that are not from the hood. we all have struggles. but being from the hood doesn't automatically mean yours was harder than someone else's who black. struggles are different.

that's why I say...its not location it is mentality.

an nigga please tell me how I don't understand?

why would you assume I dont know?

because I call iout niggas who do stay content?

what that gotta do with the man who busting his ass for his family who didn't make it out YET? they are not the same. but you trynna to put them under one umbrella to defend your argue against the post.

wasted potential is just that.

why is it that everytime somekne says we can do better or you are better...that taken as negative?

is that not what I posted someone was gonna say?

so now encouragement equals not understanding a struggle?

bruh you better than that....reread what you said.

You did say you wanted a fight today so I see you're being argumentative right now. My point is that you have to keep it consistent if you can call out niggas then niggas can call out Obama. It's fair game.

but is it?

the game aint fair.

his mentality was not limited to his locations rules.

no matter what y'all say. there are unwritten rules.

question is why are we allowing fukk niggas to write them?

but as far as people calling out Obama..why are they taking away from his hard work and reducing him to where he was from?

alot of prople ade it out the hoods...

what are black doctors and black lawyers and shit..what are their excuses?

you can disregard that sports people are physically more gifted......but still an excuse.

you just took away from. their hardwork. to get to that point.

feel me

But you don't know whether the people you criticize mentality is limited or not. But either way as far as I can see I don't think people write off his success, some people may just feel like because he didn't grow up around black people (for the most part) that he truly can't identify with black people. If there are black lawyers and doctors chances are they got scholarships to go to school thru academics. Not everybody's situation is the same. And lastly I never once took anything away from anyone who came up from rough upbringings. I simply made one point which was if you can call out niggas, then niggas can call out Obama. Why exactly does him being successful makes him bulletproof to any criticism? At the end of the day it's opinions.

 

[NoCompetition]

A lot of stuff, I noticed with the younger dudes at my job that a lot of it is just age and they havent figured a lot out. Im talking the early 20 dudes. They are relatively unstsble and just...they walk around reciting raps and just what they are attracted to and how they want to live is what it is. I remember being that age and seeing similarities. Now Im so far removed from a lot of it. When you get older generally you mature. Its about doing your thing who cares who knows about it. They can see the results. It may be more attractive to have that house in a more "peaceful" area. That "hood" life aint as attractive for a grown man. Who wanna even be bothered with that as far as certain sht?

 

[kzzl]

Entertainment associates us with crime too much and the impressionable ignorant folks just repeat it. That's the only part of that I've seen out here.

 

[aneed123]

Middle class in general bout gone.... everyone 1 missed check from poverty .

 

[aneed123]

Also when u have people who fan came from poverty but now they found better and a tung like that money makes them now better than people u gonna have a disconnect

 

[SolemnSauce]

All that reading for a yes or no answer

 

[blakfyahking]

now while i see all the stats...all that can be changed with. mentality.

poor is not about location as it's more about the mind.

I have often ran into people who I know for a fact are better than what they portray.

hell. even on this site are constant examples of poor mentality than anything.

case an point....the moment someone says..." you made it out the hood and think". real shit...that statement invalidates anything you say afterwards...simply because you are assuming the location dictated the mentality. why should someone who made it out be proud or a bit arrogant since there are so many reasons why they shouldn't?.

not gonna point out my nigga..but I once heard Obama aint like us cause he from Hawaii so he don't understand the hood.

I have quite a few problems with that statement.

it's like ok. if he was a hybrid from the hood could he still had been president? did he become president because he wasn't hood? why does his location cancel out his understanding the struggle of being black?

he may not have missed a meal but is he still a black man? if anything. you would think his struggle was harder cause he grew up in hawaii. Hawaii is racist as fukk now. at this moment. how you think it was growing up in the time he was there?

but rather than understanding his struggle people rather give him an out an say he made it because. as if being black changes because.

I'll ask this question again...

what's the difference between a black man in Hawaii and a black man in a US inner city?

ill tell you..

nothing, but the amount and type of excuses.

I'm ready for this fight today

all of the bolded is bullshit

u naive as fuck if u think surroundings don't have shit to do with self-esteem and opportunity

is it a valid excuse to fail when there are better choices to be made? no, but don't act like making it out of the hood when u generations deep isn't an accomplishment

mofos like u love to act like the hood is made that way by accident......there are forces/structures that purposely designed and even today continue to reinforce the hood to be that way..........better go back and check the great Furious Styles for his lyrics my nigga, he was talking some real shit haha

as far as Obama.....if he ain't never missed a meal then yeah he can't relate to the average hood nigga.....statements about him being out of touch are valid

and Hawaii ain't no excuse, I just left there......wasn't even my 1st time there either.......never been to a place with LESS racism ever

so there is plenty of difference between a surfing ass Hawaiian nigga and a black man who legitimately has to worry about stop and frisk today in many US inner cities

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I've said before on the IC that for a certain group of folks being black is automatically associated with struggling. Like if you somehow didn't struggle financially you haven't really lived the black experience. Its why some look at niggas from the suburbs as being soft or corny and why some of those same suburban kids will go out of their way to do stupid shit to show how tough they are. Its an ass backwards mentality that does harm

this is exactly the point ....

one on the few Im getting at.

like poor and struging means real black

but not being poor an struggling means less black.

if you working hard to get your family a better life....at some point...you will get it maybe...but your work will provide or should provide a better life for those behind you...si they won't know the same struggle. they may not have to go through what you did..

but did that make them and you less black? is progression a minus to you blackness?

you know how many kids do dumb shit to prove the hood? why? to feel they belong?

you can't tell me the with all these black families getting better the bad part of the hood still has the influence of being a badge to be earned by proving you been to it and lived within it.

what does that say about us?

a good life can't be a badge of honor for black people?

cmon now...

being poor doesn't make you more black. it makes you poor. Same as hood don't mean you can fight.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Wow. This is pretty stupid. Identify as a black man in America and move as such. No matter what your pockets look like, you still a nigga in a coupe.

You can move up in economic status and not forget where you come from.

Economic mobility doesn't mean you have to just shirk your old life for your new one. It means you stay humble and hold on to the good parts of where you came from to get you where you are.

In life. Everything is not black and white.

Fuck I look like goin back to where I came from and movin a whole different way because I'm "middle class" now?

At the same time, you shouldn't be ostracized because you didn't struggle, that means your fuckin parents cared about you, or cared about themselves enough to not go through that. I think it's good that niggas dig themselves out of poverty, it's better for their children.

Somebody is living in the shade today because someone else planted a tree a long time ago.

so I ask you..

why are more people than not "tested" or treated different when they return?

it's not always about how you move going back. it not just one sided but I get your point.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

now while i see all the stats...all that can be changed with. mentality.

poor is not about location as it's more about the mind.

I have often ran into people who I know for a fact are better than what they portray.

hell. even on this site are constant examples of poor mentality than anything.

case an point....the moment someone says..." you made it out the hood and think". real shit...that statement invalidates anything you say afterwards...simply because you are assuming the location dictated the mentality. why should someone who made it out be proud or a bit arrogant since there are so many reasons why they shouldn't?.

not gonna point out my nigga..but I once heard Obama aint like us cause he from Hawaii so he don't understand the hood.

I have quite a few problems with that statement.

it's like ok. if he was a hybrid from the hood could he still had been president? did he become president because he wasn't hood? why does his location cancel out his understanding the struggle of being black?

he may not have missed a meal but is he still a black man? if anything. you would think his struggle was harder cause he grew up in hawaii. Hawaii is racist as fukk now. at this moment. how you think it was growing up in the time he was there?

but rather than understanding his struggle people rather give him an out an say he made it because. as if being black changes because.

I'll ask this question again...

what's the difference between a black man in Hawaii and a black man in a US inner city?

ill tell you..

nothing, but the amount and type of excuses.

I'm ready for this fight today

This post is very ironic. So you downplay African Americans and their struggle on some "bah you have no excuses" but turn around and tell us "we need to understand Obama's struggle", you yourself seem to act like you don't understand African American struggles and chalk it up to niggas being able to do better but choose to live shitty.

here you go.

I'm not downplaying the struggle....

not sure how you got that.

what I am saying is other people have struggled that are not from the hood. we all have struggles. but being from the hood doesn't automatically mean yours was harder than someone else's who black. struggles are different.

that's why I say...its not location it is mentality.

an nigga please tell me how I don't understand?

why would you assume I dont know?

because I call iout niggas who do stay content?

what that gotta do with the man who busting his ass for his family who didn't make it out YET? they are not the same. but you trynna to put them under one umbrella to defend your argue against the post.

wasted potential is just that.

why is it that everytime somekne says we can do better or you are better...that taken as negative?

is that not what I posted someone was gonna say?

so now encouragement equals not understanding a struggle?

bruh you better than that....reread what you said.

You did say you wanted a fight today so I see you're being argumentative right now. My point is that you have to keep it consistent if you can call out niggas then niggas can call out Obama. It's fair game.

but is it?

the game aint fair.

his mentality was not limited to his locations rules.

no matter what y'all say. there are unwritten rules.

question is why are we allowing fukk niggas to write them?

but as far as people calling out Obama..why are they taking away from his hard work and reducing him to where he was from?

alot of prople ade it out the hoods...

what are black doctors and black lawyers and shit..what are their excuses?

you can disregard that sports people are physically more gifted......but still an excuse.

you just took away from. their hardwork. to get to that point.

feel me

But you don't know whether the people you criticize mentality is limited or not. But either way as far as I can see I don't think people write off his success, some people may just feel like because he didn't grow up around black people (for the most part) that he truly can't identify with black people. If there are black lawyers and doctors chances are they got scholarships to go to school thru academics. Not everybody's situation is the same. And lastly I never once took anything away from anyone who came up from rough upbringings. I simply made one point which was if you can call out niggas, then niggas can call out Obama. Why exactly does him being successful makes him bulletproof to any criticism? At the end of the day it's opinions.

never said he was bulletproof... just asking why is he less black which inturn makes people use that as why he was able.

that's defeatist, is it not?

I'm not saying you...but we can't question his blackness because of location. eventually we will all come up.

how would you feel if you made millions and people told your child they ain't black enough because you got loot now or your wife was white.

will blue ivy not be black enough?

will kaynes kid not be black enough?

what's black enough?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

now while i see all the stats...all that can be changed with. mentality.

poor is not about location as it's more about the mind.

I have often ran into people who I know for a fact are better than what they portray.

hell. even on this site are constant examples of poor mentality than anything.

case an point....the moment someone says..." you made it out the hood and think". real shit...that statement invalidates anything you say afterwards...simply because you are assuming the location dictated the mentality. why should someone who made it out be proud or a bit arrogant since there are so many reasons why they shouldn't?.

not gonna point out my nigga..but I once heard Obama aint like us cause he from Hawaii so he don't understand the hood.

I have quite a few problems with that statement.

it's like ok. if he was a hybrid from the hood could he still had been president? did he become president because he wasn't hood? why does his location cancel out his understanding the struggle of being black?

he may not have missed a meal but is he still a black man? if anything. you would think his struggle was harder cause he grew up in hawaii. Hawaii is racist as fukk now. at this moment. how you think it was growing up in the time he was there?

but rather than understanding his struggle people rather give him an out an say he made it because. as if being black changes because.

I'll ask this question again...

what's the difference between a black man in Hawaii and a black man in a US inner city?

ill tell you..

nothing, but the amount and type of excuses.

I'm ready for this fight today

all of the bolded is bullshit

u naive as fuck if u think surroundings don't have shit to do with self-esteem and opportunity

is it a valid excuse to fail when there are better choices to be made? no, but don't act like making it out of the hood when u generations deep isn't an accomplishment

mofos like u love to act like the hood is made that way by accident......there are forces/structures that purposely designed and even today continue to reinforce the hood to be that way..........better go back and check the great Furious Styles for his lyrics my nigga, he was talking some real shit haha

as far as Obama.....if he ain't never missed a meal then yeah he can't relate to the average hood nigga.....statements about him being out of touch are valid

and Hawaii ain't no excuse, I just left there......wasn't even my 1st time there either.......never been to a place with LESS racism ever

so there is plenty of difference between a surfing ass Hawaiian nigga and a black man who legitimately has to worry about stop and frisk today in many US inner cities

nigga are you serious?

first....fukk it. I'm proud to make it out after being there for generations... that wont change.

but I be damned if I'm ok with being yet another still there.

an yes. surroundings effect mentality. if you let it.

niggas buttfukkin in jail...do you have to be apart of it cuz you are surrounded by it?

and again....yes I know why the hood exists....it's been that way for along time. your just said generations deep. your words.

if none of your fam made it out yet...are you strong enough to make the change needed to break the cycle?

not sure where you are from but you stated you have multiple houses. if you black. did you come from the hood? did you bust your ass to get what you got or was it given to you? all the hood shit y'all defending...you actually go against it all because you got two or more houses. what did the forces of to stop you and why didn't it stop you?

bruh...what you talking about? you a living example of proving my point that drive can give you more.

no. everyone wont be the same...but does that stop the attempt?