The Lonious Monk;8784346 said:
Come the fuck on with the we need to teach white people bullshit it's 2016 they already know they just don't care or hate our black asses. It is not in their best interest to change because realistically even if you educated them what do you expect whites to do THROW their power away????
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skpjr78;8784413 said:Lol at this kumbaya ass negro. I aint going nowhere. Too much blood has spilled and too many of my forefathers have given too much for me to pack up and go anywhere. My people have paid a price that can't be measured in dollars for this land and I ain't leaving it. And I ain't giving up my humanity, diginity and self respect to placate these cacs.
You can hold hands and sing kumbaya with these devils if you want to but after 400+ years I've learned to accept the devil for what he is. Good luck trying to make peace with the most violent people humanity has ever known. After 400+ years of demonic treachery maybe the descendants of slave traders and Indian killers will see you as a child of God and live in peace and harmony with you.
Yeah good luck with that shit bruh. Youre gonna need it.
Your stance is illogical, and so is this response. Nowhere did I say you have to like or get along with white people. I pointed out that white people inhabit and run this country. If you don't like white people and don't want anything to do with white people, why would you want to be in the country. Even if you live in a majority black area (like me), you're still going to have to deal quite bit with white even when it comes to important matters concerning your life. It only makes since to seek to take efforts to make those dealings good as possible. It's a bit foolish to choose a life where you have to indulge in such dealings, but not seek to improve them.
Mrs. Me Too;8784106 said:The Lonious Monk;8784101 said:Mrs. Me Too;8784066 said:@"The Lonious Monk"
Fair point, I know plenty of white people who hold stereotypes and pre conceptions of black people. Same the other way around. I often get digs at me for listening to rap, blues etc "what you listening to this shit for? Do you think you're black " just dumb. Plus, as you say I guess you gotta be cautious until you know someone. I recently was out with friends and I saw an old work colleague, who was very drunk, and the idiot whispered to me "why you hanging around with these monkey's for?". He was deadly serious, I couldn't believe it I was in total shock. I'd known him for a few years and would never have thought he'd think that.
Anyway the original point, we're not all bad.
Whites are completely different. Many of you can be cool as hell with black people until one black person does you wrong, then you treat us all as if we did you wrong.
No funny enough we aren't all like that. The donald trump fox news watching whites are.
Plus plenty of black men and woman have done me wrong, just like everyone else but I don't hold ill will against any other black people as the people who did me wrong were individuals and not representing everyone.
Lol at comparing some black people doing you wrong to an entire society based on socio-economic, race based, religious and educational systems designed to oppress and control an entire race of people. Lil' Jerome stealing your bike in the 5th grade doesn't equal the genocide, enslavement and oppression of an entire race for half a millennium. Smffh. KYS cave bitch.
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zzombie;8784541 said:
Some of you give white people way too much credit. A lot of them are just ignorant and stubborn. When they say racism is dead, they actually believe that shit. They can't comprehend that blacks really do have a tougher time. Most of them are sheep. They find some talking head to believe in and go along with and that's what they do.
I'm not suggesting that we change the minds of some hard core racist or some racist elite that profits from racism. That would be stupid. However, that doesn't mean you stop having conversations with white people about this shit or stop putting the message out there. Some of them do eventually get it, and even if they don't get it for our benefit, some of them do at least start to realize that hating on us sometimes hurts them. Don't forget that white people shoot themselves in the foot a lot trying to take a stand against blacks. So it's not about them throwing away their power. It's more about them realizing that we aren't the enemies the powers that be make us out to be, and therefore holding such values of contempt and animosity towards us is pointless.
The Lonious Monk;8784560 said:
Get your talk on bruh. Nobody is stopping you. But while you're over there telling these cac the same shit that Frederick Douglass tried to tell their great great granddaddys and the sane shit that WE DuBouis tried to tell their great grandaddys, and the same shit that Dr. King tried to tell their grandaddys and the same shit that Jessie Jackson tried to tell their fathers and the sane shit that Obama is trying to tell them now. While you're doing all that talking and reasoning with the devil i'll be right here teaching my daughter the truth and showing her how to swerve these cacs and how to be the great woman the most high created her to be.
Good luck trying to get the devil to be less demonic. For 400+ years they have ignored and mistreated everyone else before you who tried to do the same shit. Maybe you will be the one negro to get through to them but don't hold your breath. Good luck my dude.
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The Lonious Monk;8784560 said:
White people maybe ignorant but they are not stupid at this stage of human history they know better... they may have a different conception of racism but they know that it has not gone away. Right about now You are just making excuses for whites. YOU cannot stop white supremacy with conversations we have been talking white people to death for decades centuries even, it makes very little difference their arrogance and sense of cultural and intellectual superiority continues unabated.
Even if they realize hating us is wrong how does that alone do anything to benefit our position??? ARE THEY suddenly going to say fuck it actually fix the problems they caused???? no because that would require to much sacrifice on their part. Why do you think black people never got their 40 acres and a mule ???? do you understand what you are asking white people to do is??? if i cut off your hand i am eventually feel sorry but that doesn't mean i am also going to cut off my own hand. We are their opponents like it or not this is capitalism and the world has always been dog eat dog
The Lonious Monk;8784560 said:
I'm trying to see your angle and it's just to difficult. The average white isn't going to emerge from their ignorance because, some average Black dropped a jewel on them. It's not happening. I have casual conversations often with these folks, They are out of touch and they aren't attempting to change. To accept their past, and present makes them complicit and they aren't trying to hear that.
Furthermore, the average white (not hardcore racist) doesn't value Black Journalism, Black Historians, and Data collected by Blacks. So, unless the information is from a White source they wont even begin to listen.
How many times have whites heard, and been told the Black Panther Party wasn't a terrorist organization but they keep on with that Lie. How many time have whites heard and been told Malcolm X never advocated the killing of whites yet they continue on with that lie. Hell, Dr. Louis Gates did extensive research in south America and their connection to Africa. Aint no one listening to these folks but Black folks. They are dismissed as hacks. And the very obvious implication is, they aren't and can never be as intelligent or creditable as a White. But we are supposed to continue educating them? No family. They aint listening.
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skpjr78;8784599 said:
I didn't say I'm personally trying to get White people to do anything. I relate to them on whatever level I can relate and leave it that. Outside of work, I don't really even have too much dealing with white people, and work isn't the place for those types of discussions anyway. My only point is that it's not very intelligent to say that blacks as a whole should stop trying to educate whites in America. If every black person adopts that mentality, the black plight in America will never improve. Every person you brought up managed to accomplish some improvement for the blacks around them and every one of them had white allies, so acting like all their words were wasted is silly.
zzombie;8784605 said:
What excuses am I making? Do you think being ignorant is a good and/or acceptable thing? You'd have to in order to believe that me saying they are ignorant is an excuse. It's not an excuse at all. It's ridiculous that they go through life without using their brains even enough to see the ridiculousness of racism, but they do it. Again, white people will take actions that hurt themselves just because they want to hurt blacks. No intelligent person would do that unless they really believed that black people were the problem.
And I don't know about you, but I don't want white people to fix our problems or give us a handout. What I want white people to do is get the fuck out of our way and let us grow to be the best that we can be. They don't have to do anything besides stop actively holding us back. Your thinking is kinda like theirs and part of the reason why they resist change. They think in order for black people to be happy, they have to make some grand effort to make up for all the wrong they've done to us. That's impossible. There is nothing they can do to make up for that. As a father, I don't want them trying to do that, what I want them to do is recognize that the racist infrastructure is still in place and work to tear that down so that my children and my children's children won't have to deal with that. That's not unreasonable, and it's not unprecedented. I didn't have to deal with half the shit my grandfather did. Transitions like that are only made through the efforts of people like the various Civil Rights leaders, who have taken it upon themselves to bang their heads against the wall of institutionalize racism until there was a crack.
The Lonious Monk;8784638 said:
So are you saying those black folks lives improved because of the moves made by those white allies?
IMO black peoples lives improved back then and can improve now with black people treating each other better. Then and now white allies aren't needed to improve black folks lives. We can do that all on our own with simple black loyalty, love and unity amongst other things.
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Mrs. Me Too;8783821 said:
How can you learn from something without first acknowledging it? See how illogical that sounds! Unless we bout to get on some Professor X shit. Some of us don't have to get the game from great or great great grandparents for atrocities that were committed during those years. My parents were born in the 40's...in the south! They are still alive and kicking.
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I meant no disrespect but it's still bad reasoning and not just irrational but ultimately harmful. Do you mean your last post? I'll try but I won't do the issue justice and I don't really want to spend a lot of time so my response will be half-assed. I think some of the others made better arguments. Yours wasn't the worst that came to mind.
Not all white people have had anything to do with the systematic oppression of colonialism, apartheid, slavery and Jim Crow segregation. There were black slave owners and black people who supported apartheid (ie. police officers) and whites who fought against slavery, apartheid, colonialism and Jim Crow segregation. You treat the concept of people being distinct individuals as some 'abstract' technicality, it's true regardless of whether or not most white people are racist.The encounter is basically comparable because there's no fundamental difference between 'cruelty' (or injustice) carried out in isolated circumstances by specific individuals and cruelty carried out systematically by specific individuals. Black people are not morally superior to white people. I promise that to you on my life. We make the exact same mistakes that they do. I can't explain this in any way you'll take seriously and I know I sound like an idiot. In every Western country people of African descent reside in we have all of the legal rights that white people have and most of us are, and always have been, physically capable of wronging people on the basis of race.
There is a black person somewhere with power acting on negative stereotypes they have to oppress individual white people.
White people aren't directly responsible for the Rwandan genocide or the human rights violations committed under many African dictators or warlords like Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, Joseph Kony, Mobutu Sese Seko, Papa Doc (Haitian) etc. Black and other people of color murder, torture and oppress their 'own' people every day, not to mention outsiders.
Most of the anti-white rhetoric has little to nothing to do with any consistent black unity or black love ideology which is why @zzombie (no offense ) can talk about 'our people this, our people that' and exclude a black woman who wants to end racism against black people because she's in a relationship with a white man. If he really loved black people, if he was really pro-black, he would love all of them unconditionally whether they agreed with him or not, because all black people are black and blackness is what he values. Black nationalists tend to pick and choose which black people to identify with because it has more to do with fighting a scapegoat and prejudice against outsiders than love for their own.
I believe you would deny credible research and statistics that countered your preconceived notions about race relations under that circular reasoning regardless.
Why are black scholars the only ones who can produce credible research and findings?
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D. Morgan;8784664 said:
There is no question that certain things wouldn't have changed without the actions of white people. Slavery and Segregation would not have fallen if white people hadn't made the decisions they did. And even if you're a cynic and believe whites only gave up on those institutions because it somehow benefitted them, it was still their decision to make and wouldn't have been made without white representation on that side. I'm not saying the black abolitionists and activists weren't the key reasons for those changes, after all if they weren't thorns in the side of the white power structure, there wouldn't have been a need to remove those thorns. I'm just saying that a threshold that must be overcome to effect any change in this country is gaining some white support because they have the control.
As far as your comments about blacks treating each other better, I'd agree. That feeds into the rest of my post. We don't need whites to give us anything. If we work together, we can build for ourselves as we have done in the past (e.g. Black Wallstreet, early 20th century Harlem, etc...). The only thing we need whites for is to get other whites to back off. Past that, it's up to us to improve our station.
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The Lonious Monk;8784273 said:
Nope, I was a bit more concerned about my safety when alone at night but I didn't look any different at black males.
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Mrs. Me Too;8784765 said:
Ok, well I don't know you, so all I can do is take your word for it.
Tragedy1;8784713 said:
Gotcha so, you went straight for the High School retort. "Well, my friends did it". Gotcha.
We can't unite unless we know that their are Blacks willing to be unapologetically Black and comfortable in their own damn skin. I am not going to tell another Black who to lay with, however, anyone wanting to truly end racism and uplift the Black community wouldn't be wedding whites. That's my take. You don't preserve the Rhino by breeding it with a Hippo. So, to ensure that Black folks will actually preserve their people and culture they should be first attempting to rebuild the family unit by marrying with their race. It's odd how you throw out logic but yet that simple logic flew right over your head.
Another question that comes to mind is, why is this Black Woman trying to end racism? Blacks didn't create it. You don't find it odd that her white husband isn't the one trying to end racism? Why is everyone except whites trying to end racism?
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