Was It Just Good Strategy For Jay Z To Wait Til Nas Was At His Weakest and He Was At His Strongest?

[5 Grand]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

He did, it was called Blueprint2 and came out about a year after the beef. It was on the Blueprint2 album.

He could have won the battle altogether if he never released SupaUgly and waited to release Blueprint2.

If it went;

Stillmatic Freestyle

Takeover

Ether

Blueprint2

Jay wins

 

[Logic Last]

Yo, they been tossing subliminals back and forth since 'It Was Written' ..... after Jay used the sample on RD .....then it spilled over after Bleek fired off a shot thinking Nas hit him with a shot ....

Imo, I never seen Nas having a weak point ..... lyrics 97% of the time on point .....beats, not so much lolz

Nas never really had a weak point. It was all the broke underground fans that kept crying that he moved on from illmatic. It was so annoying. They tried to say IWW was a flop

 

[Logic Last]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

He did, it was called Blueprint2 and came out about a year after the beef. It was on the Blueprint2 album.

He could have won the battle altogether if he never released SupaUgly and waited to release Blueprint2.

If it went;

Stillmatic Freestyle

Takeover

Ether

Blueprint2

Jay wins

Ok, maybe. But why didn't Jay have a response record on deck?

 

[macadonwoo]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

He did, it was called Blueprint2 and came out about a year after the beef. It was on the Blueprint2 album.

He could have won the battle altogether if he never released SupaUgly and waited to release Blueprint2.

If it went;

Stillmatic Freestyle

Takeover

Ether

Blueprint2

Jay wins

Blueprint2 was dope but in no way did it touch Ether

 

[5 Grand]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

He did, it was called Blueprint2 and came out about a year after the beef. It was on the Blueprint2 album.

He could have won the battle altogether if he never released SupaUgly and waited to release Blueprint2.

If it went;

Stillmatic Freestyle

Takeover

Ether

Blueprint2

Jay wins

Ok, maybe. But why didn't Jay have a response record on deck?

Well, his "response record on deck" was SupaUgly. That was the problem. If he just waited a few months to release Blueprint2 he would have won, or at least tied.

Out of all the songs in the battle, SupaUgly was the worst.

 

[Logic Last]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

He did, it was called Blueprint2 and came out about a year after the beef. It was on the Blueprint2 album.

He could have won the battle altogether if he never released SupaUgly and waited to release Blueprint2.

If it went;

Stillmatic Freestyle

Takeover

Ether

Blueprint2

Jay wins

Jay Z was stunned the radio stations were spinning the record, that's why he ran up to Hot 97 to fix the score card

 

[Logic Last]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

He did, it was called Blueprint2 and came out about a year after the beef. It was on the Blueprint2 album.

He could have won the battle altogether if he never released SupaUgly and waited to release Blueprint2.

If it went;

Stillmatic Freestyle

Takeover

Ether

Blueprint2

Jay wins

Ok, maybe. But why didn't Jay have a response record on deck?

Well, his "response record on deck" was SupaUgly. That was the problem. If he just waited a few months to release Blueprint2 he would have won, or at least tied.

Out of all the songs in the battle, SupaUgly was the worst.

So you think Supaugly was ready before Ether?

 

[Logic Last]

See Nas was smart so he admitted his baby mama fukked Jay in the Source so Jay had no new news to bring. It was old news when he said it in supaugly

 

[Logic Last]

Jay Z: "I didn't think my mom was gonna hear it" lol

 

[5 Grand]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

He did, it was called Blueprint2 and came out about a year after the beef. It was on the Blueprint2 album.

He could have won the battle altogether if he never released SupaUgly and waited to release Blueprint2.

If it went;

Stillmatic Freestyle

Takeover

Ether

Blueprint2

Jay wins

Ok, maybe. But why didn't Jay have a response record on deck?

Well, his "response record on deck" was SupaUgly. That was the problem. If he just waited a few months to release Blueprint2 he would have won, or at least tied.

Out of all the songs in the battle, SupaUgly was the worst.

So you think Supaugly was ready before Ether?

Not the whole record, but he knew he was going to flip that line about Carmen and the condoms in the baby seat.

I think he was waiting to see what Nas said or how Nas responded and then he planned on going to the studio the very next day and spitting the line about the condoms on the baby seat.

The reason I say that is because he said, "since you infatuated with saying that gay shit/ I guess you was sucking my dick when you was kissing that bitch". He couldn't have known that Nas was going to call him gay or any of the homo references but he had that "condoms on the baby seat" line in his head since the day Takeover came out.

So he didn't have a, "response record on deck" but he had a, "response punchline on deck".

 

[Logic Last]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

He did, it was called Blueprint2 and came out about a year after the beef. It was on the Blueprint2 album.

He could have won the battle altogether if he never released SupaUgly and waited to release Blueprint2.

If it went;

Stillmatic Freestyle

Takeover

Ether

Blueprint2

Jay wins

Ok, maybe. But why didn't Jay have a response record on deck?

Well, his "response record on deck" was SupaUgly. That was the problem. If he just waited a few months to release Blueprint2 he would have won, or at least tied.

Out of all the songs in the battle, SupaUgly was the worst.

So you think Supaugly was ready before Ether?

Not the whole record, but he knew he was going to flip that line about Carmen and the condoms in the baby seat.

I think he was waiting to see what Nas said or how Nas responded and then he planned on going to the studio the very next day and spitting the line about the condoms on the baby seat.

The reason I say that is because he said, "since you infatuated with saying that gay shit/ I guess you was sucking my dick when you was kissing that bitch". He couldn't have known that Nas was going to call him gay or any of the homo references but he had that "condoms on the baby seat" line in his head since the day Takeover came out.

So he didn't have a, "response record on deck" but he had a, "response punchline on deck".

Excellent analysis. Your are debate worthy.

 

[tompetrez3]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

Dont You Know, People Talking and South Philly Motherfuckers had better Nas disses than Takeover. He should of kept the OG Blueprint 1 tracklisting and he would of done more damage to Nas career. I cant take takeover serious because 3 FUCKING CLUB RECORDS come on after it. The reason why niggas say Nas won in a landslide because of how he strategically placed his jigga disses on stillmatic. Nas starts with a graceful godlike intro track, he kills him and takes his soul with ether, on got yourself a gun and smokin he taunts and shames him, then on youre the man he throws dirt on Jay Z and buries him. on rest of stillmatic he throws jabs here and there. perfect track transitioning especially on a comeback album. the tone is serious and aggressive. BP1 had takeover, izzo, girls girls girls and dat nigga jigga. nigga were partying and moving their hips like bcotton listening to BP1 and forgot he dissed Nas on the album thats why he lost.

 

[Logic Last]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

Dont You Know, People Talking and South Philly Motherfuckers had better Nas disses than Takeover. He should of kept the OG Blueprint 1 tracklisting and he would of done more damage to Nas career. I cant take takeover serious because 3 FUCKING CLUB RECORDS come on after it. The reason why niggas say Nas won in a landslide because of how he strategically placed his jigga disses on stillmatic. Nas starts with a graceful godlike intro track, he kills him and takes his soul with ether, on got yourself a gun and smokin he taunts and shames him, then on youre the man he throws dirt on Jay Z and buries him. on rest of stillmatic he throws jabs here and there. perfect track transitioning especially on a comeback album. the tone is serious and aggressive. BP1 had takeover, izzo, girls girls girls and dat nigga jigga. nigga were partying and moving their hips like bcotton listening to BP1 and forgot he dissed Nas on the album thats why he lost.

Damn, you know your shit. I totally forgot about most of that

 

[_Lefty]

There are no rules to this shit. Jay did what he thought he had to do.

The question was this: good strategy or bitch made? If a boxer waits until a formidable opponent has been injured to spring a challenge do you really respect that?

Some champions are accused of this (see Money Mayweather vs an aging Pacquiao)

I give Jay credit for making his move. Big was gone.Tupac was gone. He believed he could take the spotlight for himself by handling Nas.

He should have stopped just shy of takeover.

Law 47: Do Not go Past The Mark You Aimed For, In Victory Learn When To Stop

Excellent point. The illest thing about Ether is that Nas flipped Jays line, "I will not lose" and handed Jay his first L. It was like a 3 dimensional entendre.

lol.

 

[BobOblah]

Ha! I went to a NaS concert in '06 when he was promoting HHID and midway through the set, the intro to the instrumentals on 'Ether' come on for a few seconds ... crowd went wild! And this was a year after the beef was squashed and Jay signed him to Def Jam

However no lyrics were uttered though

Nas still does this at shows to a lesser extent. He does the opening gun shots of Ether and the crowd goes nuts but then goes into a different song, never Ether. Gets the crowd hype though lol

 

[Logic Last]

The real question is why didn't Jay have a reply ready better than Supaugly?

Dont You Know, People Talking and South Philly Motherfuckers had better Nas disses than Takeover. He should of kept the OG Blueprint 1 tracklisting and he would of done more damage to Nas career. I cant take takeover serious because 3 FUCKING CLUB RECORDS come on after it. The reason why niggas say Nas won in a landslide because of how he strategically placed his jigga disses on stillmatic. Nas starts with a graceful godlike intro track, he kills him and takes his soul with ether, on got yourself a gun and smokin he taunts and shames him, then on youre the man he throws dirt on Jay Z and buries him. on rest of stillmatic he throws jabs here and there. perfect track transitioning especially on a comeback album. the tone is serious and aggressive. BP1 had takeover, izzo, girls girls girls and dat nigga jigga. nigga were partying and moving their hips like bcotton listening to BP1 and forgot he dissed Nas on the album thats why he lost.

What song did Jay call himself European Jay? And do you have a link?

 

[wolfman91]

Did Stillmatic freestyle come out after Takeover?

 

[5 Grand]

Stillmatic Freestyle came out before The Blueprint version of Takeover.

However, The original version of Takeover was live at Summer Jam. But it was just one verse aimed at Prodigy. Then he said, "Ask Nas he don't want it with Hov". But he didn't rap the verse about Nas.

I'm not sure what came out first, the Stillmatic Freestyle or the Summer Jam version of Takeover where he says, "Ask Nas he don't want it with Hov".

 

[wolfman91]

Stilmatic freestyle is so fucking sick, there is no way that song was off the dome

 

[Cabana_Da_Don]

Yes Jay knew Nas was weak.And was doing tabo.