The rising counterculture of being an adult without kids.

[2stepz_ahead]

But yeah, it only makes sense that this is growing in todays world. Nothing to discuss. Everybody aint gon have kids. At increasing numbers. Good for them. Those that have kids, your infringing not the others. Taking tax money, resources, etc. But I aint mad at you. That aint my concern. Too many feelings in here Im out like dude said.

were infringing?

aint this a bitch.

taxes pay for social security. so the fact that if i had two kids they would have to help pay for your ass when you get old because you aint have kids to care for your ass. alot of old folks homes are paid for with tax dollars.

so my kids would be caring for your selfishness

your welcome.

 

[7figz]

more people in the hood need to do this,too many motherfuckers having kids they cant afford

foodstamps is not an acceptable way of life,if you dont have 20k in the bank or you like to party dont have kids

20,000 in the bank???

Not enough / too much ?

(I know which one I think it is - just curious though)

Too much. Why do you need a certain amount of money in the bank to consider to have a kid anyway....

I mean you definitely shouldn't be making kids you can't afford to raise, right ?

all this talk of money an kids....needs a spin off thread.

Thread would go something like this:

Title: How much does it cost to raise a kid ?

Post #1: (7fig): Too much, if you ask child support

(No-signed by Ms. Southern)

 

[taeboo]

more people in the hood need to do this,too many motherfuckers having kids they cant afford

foodstamps is not an acceptable way of life,if you dont have 20k in the bank or you like to party dont have kids

20,000 in the bank???

Not enough / too much ?

(I know which one I think it is - just curious though)

Too much. Why do you need a certain amount of money in the bank to consider to have a kid anyway....

I mean you definitely shouldn't be making kids you can't afford to raise, right ?

Of course but having a magic number in a bank account doesn't mean you can't afford to raise a child. What if you have 10k in bank instead of 20, does that mean you're unfit to conceive?

 

[NoCompetition]

But yeah, it only makes sense that this is growing in todays world. Nothing to discuss. Everybody aint gon have kids. At increasing numbers. Good for them. Those that have kids, your infringing not the others. Taking tax money, resources, etc. But I aint mad at you. That aint my concern. Too many feelings in here Im out like dude said.

were infringing?

aint this a bitch.

taxes pay for social security. so the fact that if i had two kids they would have to help pay for your ass when you get old because you aint have kids to care for your ass. alot of old folks homes are paid for with tax dollars.

so my kids would be caring for your selfishness

your welcome.

Its like this. Everybody doesnt want to have kids. Some do. There'sa lot of factors that can go into this. I think this trend is a good thing. Shows people are developing reasoning skills. But I realize some people have kids. I aint trying to retire broke livin off taxpayers. But thats my business. Im not attacking parents. I just fully understand why this is growing in society. And give an example of someone with that mindstate.

 

[7figz]

more people in the hood need to do this,too many motherfuckers having kids they cant afford

foodstamps is not an acceptable way of life,if you dont have 20k in the bank or you like to party dont have kids

20,000 in the bank???

Not enough / too much ?

(I know which one I think it is - just curious though)

Too much. Why do you need a certain amount of money in the bank to consider to have a kid anyway....

I mean you definitely shouldn't be making kids you can't afford to raise, right ?

Of course but having a magic number in a bank account doesn't mean you can't afford to raise a child. What if you have 10k in bank instead of 20, does that mean you're unfit to conceive?

Yeah - half-way unfit.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

But yeah, it only makes sense that this is growing in todays world. Nothing to discuss. Everybody aint gon have kids. At increasing numbers. Good for them. Those that have kids, your infringing not the others. Taking tax money, resources, etc. But I aint mad at you. That aint my concern. Too many feelings in here Im out like dude said.

were infringing?

aint this a bitch.

taxes pay for social security. so the fact that if i had two kids they would have to help pay for your ass when you get old because you aint have kids to care for your ass. alot of old folks homes are paid for with tax dollars.

so my kids would be caring for your selfishness

your welcome.

Its like this. Everybody doesnt want to have kids. Some do. There'sa lot of factors that can go into this. I think this trend is a good thing. Shows people are developing reasoning skills. But I realize some people have kids. I aint trying to retire broke livin off taxpayers. But thats my business. Im not attacking parents. I just fully understand why this is growing in society. And give an example of someone with that mindstate.

but i think your giving society too much credit...reasoning is not something our society does.

the real reasons are strictly selfishness and the urge to not want to get old and become irrelevant.

niggas even saying shit like overpopulation.....really. why does that even matter. niggas aint doing shit to help save the enviroment but want to talk about overpopulation like they on the front lines with GreenPeace or some shit.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

more people in the hood need to do this,too many motherfuckers having kids they cant afford

foodstamps is not an acceptable way of life,if you dont have 20k in the bank or you like to party dont have kids

20,000 in the bank???

Not enough / too much ?

(I know which one I think it is - just curious though)

Too much. Why do you need a certain amount of money in the bank to consider to have a kid anyway....

I mean you definitely shouldn't be making kids you can't afford to raise, right ?

Of course but having a magic number in a bank account doesn't mean you can't afford to raise a child. What if you have 10k in bank instead of 20, does that mean you're unfit to conceive?

Yeah - half-way unfit.

lol...

man you can have 6figures in the bank an not be ready.

money dont mean shit if you dont know what to do with it.

Gucci diapers are not needed

 

[Crude_]

I'm a put my personal beliefs to the side here for a second somewhat.

Some people don't believe in marriage or having kids and there is nothing wrong with that.

Then you have those other people who want kids but dont want the legal or finacial obligations that marriage brings nothing wrong with that either.

The problem comes when men and women procreate these seeds with women and men they haven't sufficiently screened.

A lot of times men and women end up bringing offspring into the world and not being able to stand the other parent.

It takes a strong female AND male figure to raise a child.

Sure some beat the odds under the single parent upbringing and still do well but parents dont realize they're stacking the chips against their children when the child doesn't have an adequate relationship with each parent.

I know a lot of niggaz that don't even know who their real father is and thats pathetic.

I blame their mothers and fathers.

The fathers for not sticking around and the mothers for not letting the child know who their father is.

I blame both parents for bringing offspring into the world that they weren't ready to take care of.

I know its a changing world and everyone doesn't want the traditional family and thats fine but there are way to many folks choosing ain't shit mates to whom they are spawning seeds and they're raising them to be aint shit adults.

Its a vicious cycle and I cant blame those who dont wont kids of their own.

I want my lineage and direct blood line to live on long after Im deceased so the wife and I will eventually have a crumb snatcher or two.

 

[blackrain]

Half of the people in this thread who don't want kids right now will probably end up having some.

Most of the 'counter-culture' has already been pegged to know less of how they want their lives to be structured.

They just put it all together in a later stage in life.

Everyone should wait until they are ready and decided.

Key is the bold..right now. Too many with kids keep thinking no kids at the present moments means never

 

[blackrain]

like i said...i can understand someone not being ready...but most people arent ready. you never ready like you think you would be.

i can understand being selfish, but after a certain age...dont say its because you selfish. thats a young mans excuse.

So what of someone in their late 30's or 40's who has their shit together...great career doesn't try to be the old person in the club and generally lives a good life simply decided having kids wasn't for them because they don't want to dedicate their life to raising someone? You seem to be trying to attach not wanting kids with being immature or scared of responsibility. Not wanting something is very different from being afraid or too immature to handle it

you are absolutely right. but keep it 100....most people dont want kids because of what you just stated. they both fall into insecurity. but whos not insecure when it comes to kids they are raising. shit is scary but its also highly rewarding. but then again living life is scary too....

Im not saying everyone should have kids....im not sure where im coming off like that ...but thats far from what im saying.

Keeping it 100 would be not assuming, which is what you're doing and why your argument is coming off the way it is. To insinuate that someone is immature or selfish in a negative way and will most likely end up bitter and alone in old age just because they may choose to not get married and have a kid is a huge leap to make w/o knowing someone's personal history that influences those decisions. That's why it's coming like you saying everyone should have kids, you're not giving any room in your mind for any other thought. Even in your response to me, you go right from agreeing with me instantly back to "Keep it 100" saying the same point again.

 

[LPast]

I think this is a very good topic.

Does this counterculture believe in marriage, love, having their OWN families, God?

Do they see themselves living like Jersey Shore niggas, well into their mid 30s?

I see this generation as being very afraid to commit to things that may not go as planned. But fear can be a helpful thing in a few ways.

 

[blackrain]

I think this is a very good topic.

Does this counterculture believe in marriage, love, having their OWN families, God?

Do they see themselves living like Jersey Shore niggas, well into their mid 30s?

I see this generation as being very afraid to commit to things that may not go as planned. But fear can be a helpful thing in a few ways.

I agree this generation and the past generation have issues with commitment, however I think this expectation that you must have kids or be married or else something is wrong with you personality wise is no better. It's like people exist on the extreme. Either you got folks who think you must be married with kids, or people think marriage should be outlawed

 

[Ajackson17]

I dont want these sociopaths and psychopaths bearing children. Let these IC niggas live free of responsibilities.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

like i said...i can understand someone not being ready...but most people arent ready. you never ready like you think you would be.

i can understand being selfish, but after a certain age...dont say its because you selfish. thats a young mans excuse.

So what of someone in their late 30's or 40's who has their shit together...great career doesn't try to be the old person in the club and generally lives a good life simply decided having kids wasn't for them because they don't want to dedicate their life to raising someone? You seem to be trying to attach not wanting kids with being immature or scared of responsibility. Not wanting something is very different from being afraid or too immature to handle it

you are absolutely right. but keep it 100....most people dont want kids because of what you just stated. they both fall into insecurity. but whos not insecure when it comes to kids they are raising. shit is scary but its also highly rewarding. but then again living life is scary too....

Im not saying everyone should have kids....im not sure where im coming off like that ...but thats far from what im saying.

Keeping it 100 would be not assuming, which is what you're doing and why your argument is coming off the way it is. To insinuate that someone is immature or selfish in a negative way and will most likely end up bitter and alone in old age just because they may choose to not get married and have a kid is a huge leap to make w/o knowing someone's personal history that influences those decisions. That's why it's coming like you saying everyone should have kids, you're not giving any room in your mind for any other thought. Even in your response to me, you go right from agreeing with me instantly back to "Keep it 100" saying the same point again.

honestly...im just arguing the opposite side.

but i fulling agree that you should not have them if your not ready. people just dont know what ready means...

im coming from a different angle to spark thought. I always know its more to the story than what it seems an thats why i just say keep it real an dont make bullshit excuses.

someone saying they selfish....i can respect.

someone saying i just dont want...hell i can even respect that. no reason needs to be given to me. im not the one thats the end all be all.

i agree the the personal history standpoint. but again just be real. no actually with me but with yourself.

but some people are just making bullshit cause of what they see on TV. its chick out here trying to live the basketball wife lifestyle and think kids will slow them down. thats some fukked up shit and no they dont need kids...but just the mindframe is fukked.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I think this is a very good topic.

Does this counterculture believe in marriage, love, having their OWN families, God?

Do they see themselves living like Jersey Shore niggas, well into their mid 30s?

I see this generation as being very afraid to commit to things that may not go as planned. But fear can be a helpful thing in a few ways.

I agree this generation and the past generation have issues with commitment, however I think this expectation that you must have kids or be married or else something is wrong with you personality wise is no better. It's like people exist on the extreme. Either you got folks who think you must be married with kids, or people think marriage should be outlawed

shit this thread can close now.

this is what it all boils down too.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

I think this is a very good topic.

Does this counterculture believe in marriage, love, having their OWN families, God?

Do they see themselves living like Jersey Shore niggas, well into their mid 30s?

I see this generation as being very afraid to commit to things that may not go as planned. But fear can be a helpful thing in a few ways.

fear is very helpful but you have to know when it applies and cant be afraid to commit to something for more than to years.

 

[Will Munny]

In 500 millions years the sun will burn out and everyone will die. You bloodline is meaningless. Ill never have kids cause that shit would detract from my fun.

 

[texas409]

have you seen some of the folks having kids nowadays? to most its just a fad and most women are having kids cause they lack love in their lives. I dont want my legacy attached to an unfit woman like that so ill have fun and take trips and a cop a new ride til im Blessed with a seed

 

[thagame]

There are enough kids being born out there. People need to strap up and have kids if they want and when they think they are ready. I would say we in the US are overpopulated compared to what our ecomony can handle. One child born every 8 seconds in the US according to census. Anyone from a big city or have lived in a big city long enough knows that there are enough kids out there

 

[twizza 77]

I wouldn't mind having kids, but I can't afford them. The way the economy and how society is, I just don't want bring a kid into this world. I don't like how people project their insecurities and selfishness on to me with questions, don't you want a kid to guide, love, and carry your name bullshit. I'm Fucking happy as shit either way.