The Official Dragonball Super Thread (All my DBZ fans come in here)

[The Lonious Monk]

Did you read the description of full powered super saiyan? They literally threw that out off the window and reintroduced as something else it like real fans wouldn't notice that bullshit. And they aren't doing super saiyan justice. There was no point in vegeta going SSB against cabba when he could have just finished him with literally any other "weaker" form of super saiyan. So he clearly went SSB too soon because Cabba didn't even know how to go ssj1 in the first place. Ain't no way after all the bullshit the Z warriors have been through that they need to show their trump card so soon.

My bad. I didn't even see that link. I don't think they threw it out of the window. It was just meant to be a transitional state, something to show us that it may be possible for them obtain godlike power without performing that ritual over and over. SSB is more or less just the evolution of that. And I still don't understand your hangup with the SSJ form. Again, they've pretty much showed that Goku and Vegeta are more powerful than most everyone in two universes with nothing more than the SSJ form. For goodness sake, we've seen them in SSJ form as much as we've seen them in SSB form, and when they were in SSJ they were typically dominating enemies.

Also, you missed the point of Vegeta going SSB. It had nothing to do with him needing to do that. He did it to give Cabba something to work towards. It was a teaching moment. He knew he was about to fight Hit and planned on going SSB out of the gate, so there was no reason not to show it off. I ain't saying that the writing in DBS is impeccable. The writing in DB has never really been that, but it seems like you're going out of you way to complain for the sake of complaining.

 

[MrCrookedLetter]

I wonder how strong Omni-King is? He had Beerus and Champa shook as fuck.

I hate the fact they made him so kiddish looking, shit's stupid to me

 

[Paprika]

I've got Stockholm syndrome for this series. Just waiting for Gohan to man up.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I wonder how strong Omni-King is? He had Beerus and Champa shook as fuck.

Doesn't really mean he's powerful. He could just have a lot of prestige. I'm pretty sure this is out of the door given the duality of dimensions they established with Champa, but remember the Gods of Destruction they introduced with the Freiza movie.

 

[CashmoneyDux]

I wonder how strong Omni-King is? He had Beerus and Champa shook as fuck.

Doesn't really mean he's powerful. He could just have a lot of prestige. I'm pretty sure this is out of the door given the duality of dimensions they established with Champa, but remember the Gods of Destruction they introduced with the Freiza movie.

This is fake

 

[CashmoneyDux]

Did you read the description of full powered super saiyan? They literally threw that out off the window and reintroduced as something else it like real fans wouldn't notice that bullshit. And they aren't doing super saiyan justice. There was no point in vegeta going SSB against cabba when he could have just finished him with literally any other "weaker" form of super saiyan. So he clearly went SSB too soon because Cabba didn't even know how to go ssj1 in the first place. Ain't no way after all the bullshit the Z warriors have been through that they need to show their trump card so soon.

My bad. I didn't even see that link. I don't think they threw it out of the window. It was just meant to be a transitional state, something to show us that it may be possible for them obtain godlike power without performing that ritual over and over. SSB is more or less just the evolution of that. And I still don't understand your hangup with the SSJ form. Again, they've pretty much showed that Goku and Vegeta are more powerful than most everyone in two universes with nothing more than the SSJ form. For goodness sake, we've seen them in SSJ form as much as we've seen them in SSB form, and when they were in SSJ they were typically dominating enemies.

Also, you missed the point of Vegeta going SSB. It had nothing to do with him needing to do that. He did it to give Cabba something to work towards. It was a teaching moment. He knew he was about to fight Hit and planned on going SSB out of the gate, so there was no reason not to show it off. I ain't saying that the writing in DBS is impeccable. The writing in DB has never really been that, but it seems like you're going out of you way to complain for the sake of complaining.

You're contradicting yourself right now. You said earlier they wanted to wait to show it off, now it's no point not to show it off? And like I said earlier, he could have shown cabba Super Vegeta or Ssj2 as something to work towards to not SSB right out of the gate. It seems like you're diminishing the evident plot holes that non casual fans can see clear as day.

 

[OmegaConflict]

You have no explained how I am wrong about the Saiyan form. The whole point of walking around in Full Powered super saiyan form during the cell saga was to prevent the strain on their bodies but now thats contradictory? And they still go SSJ so that point is mute about stressing the fact that its still bad on them if they still use it.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Full_Power#Natural_state

Cell was able to be sensed though. So youre also wrong in that regard.

Yes, that was Goku's way of becoming more accustomed to the SSJ form, and even then it was only SSJ1. That didn't eliminate the strain or stamina drain, both of which are even worse for SSJ2 and SSJ3. And yes they still go SSJ, but they made it pretty clear in the tournament that they did that to sandbag. They didn't want to show the SSB form off too soon because they were worried about Hit. I'm really not getting your point about the SSJ forms to be honest. SSJ1 was enough to beat the shit out of everyone from universe 7. Hell, even Hit didn't seem to be more powerful than the normal SSJ forms, he just had a trick and an ability to learn fast that couldn't be beaten with the regular SSJ forms. But after Goku figured Hit out, he was taking attacks without even being powered up. Maybe we're just seeing things differently, but I don't see this series as putting down the other SSJ forms. Those forms would have beat everyone in the tournament but Hit.

Did you read the description of full powered super saiyan? They literally threw that out off the window and reintroduced as something else it like real fans wouldn't notice that bullshit. And they aren't doing super saiyan justice. There was no point in vegeta going SSB against cabba when he could have just finished him with literally any other "weaker" form of super saiyan. So he clearly went SSB too soon because Cabba didn't even know how to go ssj1 in the first place. Ain't no way after all the bullshit the Z warriors have been through that they need to show their trump card so soon.

Vegeta went SSB to encourage cabbage to get stronger

And that couldn't be done by going super Vegeta?

Smh

 

[iron man1]

I wonder how strong Omni-King is? He had Beerus and Champa shook as fuck.

Doesn't really mean he's powerful. He could just have a lot of prestige. I'm pretty sure this is out of the door given the duality of dimensions they established with Champa, but remember the Gods of Destruction they introduced with the Freiza movie.

Fan made brotha man

 

[The Lonious Monk]

You're contradicting yourself right now. You said earlier they wanted to wait to show it off, now it's no point not to show it off? And like I said earlier, he could have shown cabba Super Vegeta or Ssj2 as something to work towards to not SSB right out of the gate. It seems like you're diminishing the evident plot holes that non casual fans can see clear as day.

You are trying so hard to demonize the story that you're seemingly not able to comprehend simple shit in the story

After Vegeta beat the robot, Goku flat out said that Vegeta could have beat him easily if he went all out. They then pointed out that Vegeta held back because he was worried about Hit. Fast forward to the end of the Cabba fight. Vegeta displayed the SSB form for Cabba's benefit. There were two very obvious reasons why it wasn't a problem to do it at that point. 1) The fight was over, so Hit wasn't actually going to see Vegeta's capabilities in that form. He was just receiving the revelation that the form existed, which didn't matter because 2) Vegeta planned on going SSB out of the gate against Hit anyway. So him revealing the SSB form at that moment did not hurt Vegeta's position at all.

As for Cabba, you seem to be completely missing Vegeta's whole point. He was trying to inspire Cabba to push his bounds as hard and as far as he could. In doing that, why would he show off some middling form as a benchmark when he could show his current bets form? If a US president is trying to inspire some kids and let them know they can do anything if they work hard enough, will that president point at the Governor's mansion they used to reside in as proof or point to the White House? It makes perfect sense that Vegeta would reveal SSB then given the potential for it to inspire Cabba and the fact that it wouldn't make much of a difference as far as the upcoming fight went.

 

[OmegaConflict]

Bruh....

 

[CashmoneyDux]

Bruh....

I have yet to hear you say anything intelligent in this thread. Shut up grown folks are talking.

 

[CashmoneyDux]

You're contradicting yourself right now. You said earlier they wanted to wait to show it off, now it's no point not to show it off? And like I said earlier, he could have shown cabba Super Vegeta or Ssj2 as something to work towards to not SSB right out of the gate. It seems like you're diminishing the evident plot holes that non casual fans can see clear as day.

You are trying so hard to demonize the story that you're seemingly not able to comprehend simple shit in the story

After Vegeta beat the robot, Goku flat out said that Vegeta could have beat him easily if he went all out. They then pointed out that Vegeta held back because he was worried about Hit. Fast forward to the end of the Cabba fight. Vegeta displayed the SSB form for Cabba's benefit. There were two very obvious reasons why it wasn't a problem to do it at that point. 1) The fight was over, so Hit wasn't actually going to see Vegeta's capabilities in that form. He was just receiving the revelation that the form existed, which didn't matter because 2) Vegeta planned on going SSB out of the gate against Hit anyway. So him revealing the SSB form at that moment did not hurt Vegeta's position at all.

As for Cabba, you seem to be completely missing Vegeta's whole point. He was trying to inspire Cabba to push his bounds as hard and as far as he could. In doing that, why would he show off some middling form as a benchmark when he could show his current bets form? If a US president is trying to inspire some kids and let them know they can do anything if they work hard enough, will that president point at the Governor's mansion they used to reside in as proof or point to the White House? It makes perfect sense that Vegeta would reveal SSB then given the potential for it to inspire Cabba and the fact that it wouldn't make much of a difference as far as the upcoming fight went.

Please explain what I'm not understanding. I feel as if I've already answered all of this, and @Paprika also agrees with the sentiment that SSB was unnecessary to reveal when he could have inspired cabba without showing his trump card. Help me understand what you aren't understanding about what I have said previously.

 

[CashmoneyDux]

And clearly I am enjoying the show if I'm having a discussion about it and it's intricacies. I just think you all are excusing toriyamas plot holes, just like he did with the tails.

 

[Qiv_Owan]

DBZ is full of holes

Like why didnt Goku attack in episode 39 when he went Kaioken snf starting moving too fast for Hit to see

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Please explain what I'm not understanding. I feel as if I've already answered all of this, and @Paprika also agrees with the sentiment that SSB was unnecessary to reveal when he could have inspired cabba without showing his trump card. Help me understand what you aren't understanding about what I have said previously.

You said I was contradicting myself. If you think there is a contradiction there, you don't understand what's going. There is a difference between powering up to SSB and actively fighting and just going into SSB. Vegeta didn't want to use the SSB in battle against the robot because he didn't want Hit to know anything about his capabilities. He didn't mind showing it off against Cabba because he wasn't fighting and wasn't planning on holding back going into the fight with Hit anyway.

And saying Vegeta could have showed off SSJ2 to inspire Cabba doesn't make any sense. Cabba went from barely even knowing what a SSJ was to becoming an SSJ in the course of one match. How the fuck was a SSJ form with slightly spikier hair and a little lightning supposed to wow him? SSB is supposed well beyond any of the normal SSJ levels, if Vegeta's intentions were to basically tear the roof of Cabba's understanding of what is possible, his best bet would be to go SSB. Of course he didn't have to do it, but he did it because of his empathy towards the other Saiyans and his desire to see them thrive. And again, he wasn't planning on sandbagging when he fought Hit. He was going to go all out from the start, so he lost absolutely nothing by going into that form a whole 10 minutes before he fought Hit.

I'm not saying you're not enjoying the show or you're wrong to critique it. I just think you're reaching as hard as you can to find something you don't like.

DBZ is full of holes

Like why didnt Goku attack in episode 39 when he went Kaioken snf starting moving too fast for Hit to see

lol That's not a plot hole. Goku was testing his abilities. Remember, this was the first time he had ever pulled that off and he wasn't completely sure what effect it would have.

 

[dalyricalbandit]

wait so beside Whis there someone else that has Beerus abit shook?

i havent been keepin up on this

 

[The Lonious Monk]

If they are sticking with what they said when they started the show, Beerus is middle of the road when it comes to how the Gods of Destruction are ranked.

 

[zzombie]

You're contradicting yourself right now. You said earlier they wanted to wait to show it off, now it's no point not to show it off? And like I said earlier, he could have shown cabba Super Vegeta or Ssj2 as something to work towards to not SSB right out of the gate. It seems like you're diminishing the evident plot holes that non casual fans can see clear as day.

You are trying so hard to demonize the story that you're seemingly not able to comprehend simple shit in the story

After Vegeta beat the robot, Goku flat out said that Vegeta could have beat him easily if he went all out. They then pointed out that Vegeta held back because he was worried about Hit. Fast forward to the end of the Cabba fight. Vegeta displayed the SSB form for Cabba's benefit. There were two very obvious reasons why it wasn't a problem to do it at that point. 1) The fight was over, so Hit wasn't actually going to see Vegeta's capabilities in that form. He was just receiving the revelation that the form existed, which didn't matter because 2) Vegeta planned on going SSB out of the gate against Hit anyway. So him revealing the SSB form at that moment did not hurt Vegeta's position at all.

As for Cabba, you seem to be completely missing Vegeta's whole point. He was trying to inspire Cabba to push his bounds as hard and as far as he could. In doing that, why would he show off some middling form as a benchmark when he could show his current bets form? If a US president is trying to inspire some kids and let them know they can do anything if they work hard enough, will that president point at the Governor's mansion they used to reside in as proof or point to the White House? It makes perfect sense that Vegeta would reveal SSB then given the potential for it to inspire Cabba and the fact that it wouldn't make much of a difference as far as the upcoming fight went.

Please explain what I'm not understanding. I feel as if I've already answered all of this, and @Paprika also agrees with the sentiment that SSB was unnecessary to reveal when he could have inspired cabba without showing his trump card. Help me understand what you aren't understanding about what I have said previously.

Vegeta wanted to show cabba the height of his power not the middle and cabba is so weak that holding back his power to surprise hit at that point would make no sense

 

[CashmoneyDux]

Please explain what I'm not understanding. I feel as if I've already answered all of this, and @Paprika also agrees with the sentiment that SSB was unnecessary to reveal when he could have inspired cabba without showing his trump card. Help me understand what you aren't understanding about what I have said previously.

You said I was contradicting myself. If you think there is a contradiction there, you don't understand what's going. There is a difference between powering up to SSB and actively fighting and just going into SSB. Vegeta didn't want to use the SSB in battle against the robot because he didn't want Hit to know anything about his capabilities. He didn't mind showing it off against Cabba because he wasn't fighting and wasn't planning on holding back going into the fight with Hit anyway.

And saying Vegeta could have showed off SSJ2 to inspire Cabba doesn't make any sense. Cabba went from barely even knowing what a SSJ was to becoming an SSJ in the course of one match. How the fuck was a SSJ form with slightly spikier hair and a little lightning supposed to wow him? SSB is supposed well beyond any of the normal SSJ levels, if Vegeta's intentions were to basically tear the roof of Cabba's understanding of what is possible, his best bet would be to go SSB. Of course he didn't have to do it, but he did it because of his empathy towards the other Saiyans and his desire to see them thrive. And again, he wasn't planning on sandbagging when he fought Hit. He was going to go all out from the start, so he lost absolutely nothing by going into that form a whole 10 minutes before he fought Hit.

I'm not saying you're not enjoying the show or you're wrong to critique it. I just think you're reaching as hard as you can to find something you don't like.

DBZ is full of holes

Like why didnt Goku attack in episode 39 when he went Kaioken snf starting moving too fast for Hit to see

lol That's not a plot hole. Goku was testing his abilities. Remember, this was the first time he had ever pulled that off and he wasn't completely sure what effect it would have.

That shit wowed me as a kid.

vs

You are reaching hard right now

 

[rebel_rell43]

You gotta remember what trunks said in the android saga. Powering up in SSJ form strains the body and uses up ki. Each level up from there adds more muscles, making them slower. Uses a lot of ki, an strains there body. That's why when whis was training them in god form he told them to hide they aura cause its a waste or ki. Not to mention god form is smaller compared to a SS3.