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[blu197]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

He wasn't stronger than goku in the buu saga.

Not what he meant...

 

[blu197]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta had a adrenaline rush when Bills hit Bulma... so if Vegeta was able to reach a higher power lvl in SS2 than Goku SS3 imagine if Vegeta went SS3.... SS3 was Tori's asspull to make Goku a lvl higher than him bc if they're exactly equal in power than Vegeta is better bc he has a warrior edge...

i think Vegeta is naturally stronger than Goku going way back to their first fight, whenever Vegeta reaches the same super saiyan lvl as Goku he's always a lil bit stronger or atleast that's how they show case it...

 

[StoneColdMikey]

yeah vegeta was basically super saiyan god for a moment

 

[not this again!]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta had a adrenaline rush when Bills hit Bulma... so if Vegeta was able to reach a higher power lvl in SS2 than Goku SS3 imagine if Vegeta went SS3.... SS3 was Tori's asspull to make Goku a lvl higher than him bc if they're exactly equal in power than Vegeta is better bc he has a warrior edge...

i think Vegeta is naturally stronger than Goku going way back to their first fight, whenever Vegeta reaches the same super saiyan lvl as Goku he's always a lil bit stronger or atleast that's how they show case it...

You can definitely make a case for that. Vegeta was born with a much higher power level than Goku was, due to his elite bloodline. He'd surpassed his father, who was king of the Saiyan people, when he was still a child.

Or so he said, anyway.

The difference between the two is that Goku has a much better natural gift for fighting than Vegeta does, which Vegeta has admitted to. So even if Vegeta manages to gain an edge, Goku will always catch up to, and surpass him.

That's why Vegeta allowed himself to be possessed by BabidI during the Buu Saga. He needed that boost to close the gap between himself and Goku.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Base Vegeta is stronger than Goku. I don't think that's ever really been questioned. It's just that Goku is much better at progressing than Vegeta.

 

[blu197]

Vegeta was never "possessed" by Babidi, all Babidi did was awake the evil inside Vegeta that was there in the Saiyan saga that faded away... Proof that he wasn't possessed is that Babidi couldn't control him and Vegeta states it..

 

[jono]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta had a adrenaline rush when Bills hit Bulma... so if Vegeta was able to reach a higher power lvl in SS2 than Goku SS3 imagine if Vegeta went SS3.... SS3 was Tori's asspull to make Goku a lvl higher than him bc if they're exactly equal in power than Vegeta is better bc he has a warrior edge...

i think Vegeta is naturally stronger than Goku going way back to their first fight, whenever Vegeta reaches the same super saiyan lvl as Goku he's always a lil bit stronger or atleast that's how they show case it...

You can definitely make a case for that. Vegeta was born with a much higher power level than Goku was, due to his elite bloodline. He'd surpassed his father, who was king of the Saiyan people, when he was still a child.

Or so he said, anyway.

The difference between the two is that Goku has a much better natural gift for fighting than Vegeta does, which Vegeta has admitted to. So even if Vegeta manages to gain an edge, Goku will always catch up to, and surpass him.

That's why Vegeta allowed himself to be possessed by BabidI during the Buu Saga. He needed that boost to close the gap between himself and Goku.

Vegeta was stronger but Goku's growth potential was greater, not to mention the x-factor of Goku's infinite determination and self-confidence.

Both liked to challenge themselves but Goku was more apt to meet the challenges because he shunned his personal limitations. His ability to continue to improve and face new challenges no matter how overmatched he was is what made the character so strong and heroic.

Goku was sort of the ugly duckling of the saiyans. By birth he should have been the weakest, this is mentioned multiple times throughout the series but because Goku was so determined to meet all challenges and right wrongs he ended up being the strongest saiyan of all.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta had a adrenaline rush when Bills hit Bulma... so if Vegeta was able to reach a higher power lvl in SS2 than Goku SS3 imagine if Vegeta went SS3.... SS3 was Tori's asspull to make Goku a lvl higher than him bc if they're exactly equal in power than Vegeta is better bc he has a warrior edge...



i think Vegeta is naturally stronger than Goku going way back to their first fight, whenever Vegeta reaches the same super saiyan lvl as Goku he's always a lil bit stronger or atleast that's how they show case it...

YUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPP and I don't care what anyone says, he beat Goku fair and square TWICE. If not for Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe in their first fight, that woulda been all she wrote for Goku. In the 2nd fight they had where he went Majin, Vegeta still knocked that nigga out cold and could have killed him right then and there.

When Vegeta first went SSJ, the episode after Vegeta killed Android 19 and they were searching for Andrioid 20 (Dr.Gero) when Goku fell ill, Piccolo said that SSJ Vegeta was stronger than Goku and Trunks.

You're right about Vegeta's first win, although he didn't actually win until he went ape. The second is a stretch though. They fought evenly until they stopped. Vegeta didn't knock Goku out until Goku let down his guard thinking they were going to work together.

 

[Juttythe3rd]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta had a adrenaline rush when Bills hit Bulma... so if Vegeta was able to reach a higher power lvl in SS2 than Goku SS3 imagine if Vegeta went SS3.... SS3 was Tori's asspull to make Goku a lvl higher than him bc if they're exactly equal in power than Vegeta is better bc he has a warrior edge...



i think Vegeta is naturally stronger than Goku going way back to their first fight, whenever Vegeta reaches the same super saiyan lvl as Goku he's always a lil bit stronger or atleast that's how they show case it...

YUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPP and I don't care what anyone says, he beat Goku fair and square TWICE. If not for Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe in their first fight, that woulda been all she wrote for Goku. In the 2nd fight they had where he went Majin, Vegeta still knocked that nigga out cold and could have killed him right then and there.

When Vegeta first went SSJ, the episode after Vegeta killed Android 19 and they were searching for Andrioid 20 (Dr.Gero) when Goku fell ill, Piccolo said that SSJ Vegeta was stronger than Goku and Trunks.

We gonna act like Goku didn't go ss3 deliberately...he was holding back on the prince

 

[CJ]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta had a adrenaline rush when Bills hit Bulma... so if Vegeta was able to reach a higher power lvl in SS2 than Goku SS3 imagine if Vegeta went SS3.... SS3 was Tori's asspull to make Goku a lvl higher than him bc if they're exactly equal in power than Vegeta is better bc he has a warrior edge...



i think Vegeta is naturally stronger than Goku going way back to their first fight, whenever Vegeta reaches the same super saiyan lvl as Goku he's always a lil bit stronger or atleast that's how they show case it...

YUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPP and I don't care what anyone says, he beat Goku fair and square TWICE. If not for Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe in their first fight, that woulda been all she wrote for Goku. In the 2nd fight they had where he went Majin, Vegeta still knocked that nigga out cold and could have killed him right then and there.

When Vegeta first went SSJ, the episode after Vegeta killed Android 19 and they were searching for Andrioid 20 (Dr.Gero) when Goku fell ill, Piccolo said that SSJ Vegeta was stronger than Goku and Trunks.

We gonna act like Goku didn't go ss3 deliberately...he was holding back on the prince

Vegeta my nigga but this is correct^

Would've been straight ether had he went ss3

 

[blu197]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta had a adrenaline rush when Bills hit Bulma... so if Vegeta was able to reach a higher power lvl in SS2 than Goku SS3 imagine if Vegeta went SS3.... SS3 was Tori's asspull to make Goku a lvl higher than him bc if they're exactly equal in power than Vegeta is better bc he has a warrior edge...



i think Vegeta is naturally stronger than Goku going way back to their first fight, whenever Vegeta reaches the same super saiyan lvl as Goku he's always a lil bit stronger or atleast that's how they show case it...

YUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPP and I don't care what anyone says, he beat Goku fair and square TWICE. If not for Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe in their first fight, that woulda been all she wrote for Goku. In the 2nd fight they had where he went Majin, Vegeta still knocked that nigga out cold and could have killed him right then and there.

When Vegeta first went SSJ, the episode after Vegeta killed Android 19 and they were searching for Andrioid 20 (Dr.Gero) when Goku fell ill, Piccolo said that SSJ Vegeta was stronger than Goku and Trunks.

We gonna act like Goku didn't go ss3 deliberately...he was holding back on the prince

That's why i said SS3 was a asspull by Tori, he couldn't let Vegeta (the character he claims to dislike the most) hang w Goku 1v1 w/o having some future built in excuse that Goku was holding back...

It's like whenever he gives Vegeta a lil shine he always takes a big shit on him after, ex. Vegeta goes toe-to-toe with Goku but doesn't beat him clean, after that Vegeta dies vs Fat Buu.. Vegeta looks badass vs Android 19 then gets fucked by Android 18, Vegeta was beastin vs Cell (17 absorbed) but as soon Cell goes Perfect he's Krillin status and to make it worse he makes Trunks stronger than him...

Vegeta trains twice as hard as Goku but Goku's more strong bc he's kind hearted and Vegeta gets little to no real results all bc he's confident and sometimes a douche, he literally made that one of the reasons why Vegeta couldn't go SS at first...

Vegeta is the real mascot for what the show is suppose to symbolize which is hard work pays off, but in Toriyama's world it doesn't unless your light hearted and kind which is kinda gay but oh well... Don't kno how i ended up goin on this rant but if Tori doesn't give my nigga Vegeta the shine he deserved decades ago n let him kill the next villain in the new movie then i might be done with this shit, and Vegeta has to kill the villain in a strong fashion, not on some Goku help or said villian wasn't in his final form shit it has to be a clear cut clean win...

 

[vagrant-718]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta had a adrenaline rush when Bills hit Bulma... so if Vegeta was able to reach a higher power lvl in SS2 than Goku SS3 imagine if Vegeta went SS3.... SS3 was Tori's asspull to make Goku a lvl higher than him bc if they're exactly equal in power than Vegeta is better bc he has a warrior edge...



i think Vegeta is naturally stronger than Goku going way back to their first fight, whenever Vegeta reaches the same super saiyan lvl as Goku he's always a lil bit stronger or atleast that's how they show case it...

YUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPP and I don't care what anyone says, he beat Goku fair and square TWICE. If not for Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe in their first fight, that woulda been all she wrote for Goku. In the 2nd fight they had where he went Majin, Vegeta still knocked that nigga out cold and could have killed him right then and there.

When Vegeta first went SSJ, the episode after Vegeta killed Android 19 and they were searching for Andrioid 20 (Dr.Gero) when Goku fell ill, Piccolo said that SSJ Vegeta was stronger than Goku and Trunks.

2nd fight wasnt a win. Knocked a dude out with his back turn. Goku was getting in that ass before all that

 

[intlhak]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta had a adrenaline rush when Bills hit Bulma... so if Vegeta was able to reach a higher power lvl in SS2 than Goku SS3 imagine if Vegeta went SS3.... SS3 was Tori's asspull to make Goku a lvl higher than him bc if they're exactly equal in power than Vegeta is better bc he has a warrior edge...



i think Vegeta is naturally stronger than Goku going way back to their first fight, whenever Vegeta reaches the same super saiyan lvl as Goku he's always a lil bit stronger or atleast that's how they show case it...

YUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPP and I don't care what anyone says, he beat Goku fair and square TWICE. If not for Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe in their first fight, that woulda been all she wrote for Goku. In the 2nd fight they had where he went Majin, Vegeta still knocked that nigga out cold and could have killed him right then and there.

When Vegeta first went SSJ, the episode after Vegeta killed Android 19 and they were searching for Andrioid 20 (Dr.Gero) when Goku fell ill, Piccolo said that SSJ Vegeta was stronger than Goku and Trunks.

We gonna act like Goku didn't go ss3 deliberately...he was holding back on the prince

That's why i said SS3 was a asspull by Tori, he couldn't let Vegeta (the character he claims to dislike the most) hang w Goku 1v1 w/o having some future built in excuse that Goku was holding back...

It's like whenever he gives Vegeta a lil shine he always takes a big shit on him after, ex. Vegeta goes toe-to-toe with Goku but doesn't beat him clean, after that Vegeta dies vs Fat Buu.. Vegeta looks badass vs Android 19 then gets fucked by Android 18, Vegeta was beastin vs Cell (17 absorbed) but as soon Cell goes Perfect he's Krillin status and to make it worse he makes Trunks stronger than him...

Vegeta trains twice as hard as Goku but Goku's more strong bc he's kind hearted and Vegeta gets little to no real results all bc he's confident and sometimes a douche, he literally made that one of the reasons why Vegeta couldn't go SS at first...

Vegeta is the real mascot for what the show is suppose to symbolize which is hard work pays off, but in Toriyama's world it doesn't unless your light hearted and kind which is kinda gay but oh well... Don't kno how i ended up goin on this rant but if Tori doesn't give my nigga Vegeta the shine he deserved decades ago n let him kill the next villain in the new movie then i might be done with this shit, and Vegeta has to kill the villain in a strong fashion, not on some Goku help or said villian wasn't in his final form shit it has to be a clear cut clean win...

I agree, for as much of a warrior Vegeta was they never let him learn any new techniques. They show in the beginning that he has the ability to learn basic techniques like masking and sensing power levels but he never learned the Kao o ken or instant transmission.

He was stronger than goku in the beginning and goku and piccolo used that technique to stay on par with vegeta. They had goku using Kao o ken times thirty just to fight him. Imagine vegeta using that technique to increase his power level when he got his saiyan healing boost, hit ssj Probably would be higher than goku

 

[jono]

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta had a adrenaline rush when Bills hit Bulma... so if Vegeta was able to reach a higher power lvl in SS2 than Goku SS3 imagine if Vegeta went SS3.... SS3 was Tori's asspull to make Goku a lvl higher than him bc if they're exactly equal in power than Vegeta is better bc he has a warrior edge...



i think Vegeta is naturally stronger than Goku going way back to their first fight, whenever Vegeta reaches the same super saiyan lvl as Goku he's always a lil bit stronger or atleast that's how they show case it...

YUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPP and I don't care what anyone says, he beat Goku fair and square TWICE. If not for Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe in their first fight, that woulda been all she wrote for Goku. In the 2nd fight they had where he went Majin, Vegeta still knocked that nigga out cold and could have killed him right then and there.

When Vegeta first went SSJ, the episode after Vegeta killed Android 19 and they were searching for Andrioid 20 (Dr.Gero) when Goku fell ill, Piccolo said that SSJ Vegeta was stronger than Goku and Trunks.

We gonna act like Goku didn't go ss3 deliberately...he was holding back on the prince

That's why i said SS3 was a asspull by Tori, he couldn't let Vegeta (the character he claims to dislike the most) hang w Goku 1v1 w/o having some future built in excuse that Goku was holding back...

It's like whenever he gives Vegeta a lil shine he always takes a big shit on him after, ex. Vegeta goes toe-to-toe with Goku but doesn't beat him clean, after that Vegeta dies vs Fat Buu.. Vegeta looks badass vs Android 19 then gets fucked by Android 18, Vegeta was beastin vs Cell (17 absorbed) but as soon Cell goes Perfect he's Krillin status and to make it worse he makes Trunks stronger than him...

Vegeta trains twice as hard as Goku but Goku's more strong bc he's kind hearted and Vegeta gets little to no real results all bc he's confident and sometimes a douche, he literally made that one of the reasons why Vegeta couldn't go SS at first...

Vegeta is the real mascot for what the show is suppose to symbolize which is hard work pays off, but in Toriyama's world it doesn't unless your light hearted and kind which is kinda gay but oh well... Don't kno how i ended up goin on this rant but if Tori doesn't give my nigga Vegeta the shine he deserved decades ago n let him kill the next villain in the new movie then i might be done with this shit, and Vegeta has to kill the villain in a strong fashion, not on some Goku help or said villian wasn't in his final form shit it has to be a clear cut clean win...

I agree, for as much of a warrior Vegeta was they never let him learn any new techniques. They show in the beginning that he has the ability to learn basic techniques like masking and sensing power levels but he never learned the Kao o ken or instant transmission.

He was stronger than goku in the beginning and goku and piccolo used that technique to stay on par with vegeta. They had goku using Kao o ken times thirty just to fight him. Imagine vegeta using that technique to increase his power level when he got his saiyan healing boost, hit ssj Probably would be higher than goku

That's not quite fair. It's not like Goku just taught himself the Kaioken and IT. He was taught those things by masters. Vegeta didn't have masters to teach him things like that, and you know he damn sure wouldn't let Goku teach him. I think they made it pretty clear that Vegeta was still a quick learner. Think about when Trunks fought Cell and thought he's figured out that Super form and Vegeta hadn't. He later realized that Vegeta most likely had figured out and had also realized it would be worthless against Cell.

 

[Juttythe3rd]

Question I asked in the Battle of Gods thread. How Vegeta surpass Goku while in SSJ2?

Vegeta is the real mascot for what the show is suppose to symbolize which is hard work pays off, but in Toriyama's world it doesn't unless your light hearted and kind which is kinda gay but oh well... Don't kno how i ended up goin on this rant but if Tori doesn't give my nigga Vegeta the shine he deserved decades ago n let him kill the next villain in the new movie then i might be done with this shit, and Vegeta has to kill the villain in a strong fashion, not on some Goku help or said villian wasn't in his final form shit it has to be a clear cut clean win...

Hard Work pays off, but theres always one motherfucker better than you

 

[jono]

I don't know why i torture myself watching DBZ with the jap dub on DVD. Just the subtle things like the silent flashbacks, how Goku is an adult that sounds like a little kid really piss me off.

 

[vagrant-718]

vegeta got mad techniques, what yall talking about?
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_techniques_used_by_Vegeta

 

[The Lonious Monk]

vegeta got mad techniques, what yall talking about?
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_techniques_used_by_Vegeta

That list is kinda bad. I mean they include Vegeta slapping Goku in the face as a technique. lol

It's hard to talk about techniques with DBZ. It's not Naruto where everyone has these distinct moves. In DBZ, all the warriors have access to ki, and most uses just involve them creating some kind of projectile or beam. There aren't really all that mean creative techniques in the series.

Hell all the ones Goku knows, he was taught. It's not like he developed the Kaioken on his own.

 

[infamous114]