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Spinoff: And what would be the problem with itemized child support payments
Djunior;1645838 said:How is it revenge when it is dictated by someone esle, ie a judge? Ya'll need to get yall emotions out of it. Mad about providing for a child you helped create. And I'm going to go back and look real hard at my posts and try to find where I said anything about not bein involved in the childs life.
My friends bm tried this revenge thing actually since she thought he wasn't paying enough money... come to find out lawyer told her to back off cause he was over paying. He paid all things that could be tracked too, car note, insurance, cell phone... they added that shit up and she was like oh never mind...
Too late tho he found out the amount he should be paying and started hashing out checks since she decided to open pandora's box. SHe was talkin dirty to every1 to like he wasn't paying shit, now she wishes she kept his mouth shut...
Oh and he spends lots of time with his kids and spends the extra he's saving on his kids when he has them...
See that should be a good story.... Keep ya reciepts niggas!!
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thehonorable
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Djunior;1645838 said:How is it revenge when it is dictated by someone esle, ie a judge? Ya'll need to get yall emotions out of it. Mad about providing for a child you helped create. And I'm going to go back and look real hard at my posts and try to find where I said anything about not bein involved in the childs life.
the current. bias . my solution is 100 percent logical. wtf are you talking about
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Presteezh;1645978 said:My friends bm tried this revenge thing actually since she thought he wasn't paying enough money... come to find out lawyer told her to back off cause he was over paying. He paid all things that could be tracked too, car note, insurance, cell phone... they added that shit up and she was like oh never mind...
Too late tho he found out the amount he should be paying and started hashing out checks since she decided to open pandora's box. SHe was talkin dirty to every1 to like he wasn't paying shit, now she wishes she kept his mouth shut...
Oh and he spends lots of time with his kids and spends the extra he's saving on his kids when he has them...
See that should be a good story.... Keep ya reciepts niggas!!
Real nigga shit
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That would be perfect and ideal
However the courts can barely handle the shit when it's a flat rate
God only knows how incredibly more inefficient the courts would be with itemized shit
Divorces would go from years to fucking decades because of bitter mofos disputing every Gotdamn thing
As for the trust fund, again, it's ideal but wouldn't work in all cases, it worked for my parents, but their communication skills with each other were crazy on point
And while I agree that, the courts are definately broken, and in need of reform
People need to understand that the courts can't make motherfuckers act like decent parents who communicate with each other, you can itemize everything down to how many pieces toliet paper the little nigga shits on and there would still be problems
You can't force parents to exhibit common decency for the sake of their child
However the courts can barely handle the shit when it's a flat rate
God only knows how incredibly more inefficient the courts would be with itemized shit
Divorces would go from years to fucking decades because of bitter mofos disputing every Gotdamn thing
As for the trust fund, again, it's ideal but wouldn't work in all cases, it worked for my parents, but their communication skills with each other were crazy on point
And while I agree that, the courts are definately broken, and in need of reform
People need to understand that the courts can't make motherfuckers act like decent parents who communicate with each other, you can itemize everything down to how many pieces toliet paper the little nigga shits on and there would still be problems
You can't force parents to exhibit common decency for the sake of their child
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thehonorable;1646073 said:the current. bias . my solution is 100 percent logical. wtf are you talking about
I agree it is lopsided. But it is standard.
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haute;1646091 said:That would be perfect and ideal
However the courts can barely handle the shit when it's a flat rate
God only knows how incredibly more inefficient the courts would be with itemized shit
Divorces would go from years to fucking decades because of bitter mofos disputing every Gotdamn thing
As for the trust fund, again, it's ideal but wouldn't work in all cases, it worked for my parents, but their communication skills with each other were crazy on point
And while I agree that, the courts are definately broken, and in need of reform
People need to understand that the courts can't make motherfuckers act like decent parents who communicate with each other, you can itemize everything down to how many pieces toliet paper the little nigga shits on and there would still be problems
You can't force parents to exhibit common decency for the sake of their child
Everything I missed^^^^^^
All that is key.
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Louis Cipher
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Djunior;1645838 said:How is it revenge when it is dictated by someone esle, ie a judge? Ya'll need to get yall emotions out of it. Mad about providing for a child you helped create. And I'm going to go back and look real hard at my posts and try to find where I said anything about not bein involved in the childs life.
once again...i see youve never been involved with family law/court....
nobody said anything about not supporting your child...let me get that out...
cmon fam...youve been in a relationship thats ended badly...we all have...now add to that mix a child...and the leverage that woman has with that child...especially in a divorce...when all the dust cleared i was paying for everything...but youre entitled to your opinion...i hope you never have to deal with all this, but if/when you do...remember all the shit you said in here
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MsSouthern
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In theory it seems nice but the problem is when the money will actually reach the card compared to when it's needed. My son's dad and I had a convo about this very same thing... after I showed him all the bills and how much it cost to raise his child... he shut up real quick.
Think about it daycare won't let your child attend if it's only partially paid.... what do you tell the director ? My kids dad will pay the rest in a week??? Or what about school lunches .... sorry you can't eat cause your parent hasn't paid their support yet this month??? You only get half of your school supplies until your mom pays her support????
Most states already have child support deposited to a debit card... so it's not like it can't be tracked. But the courts would never be able to do it. State agencies don't even take cases to court for visitation issues.... do you really think they are going to worry about how each dollar is spent? If you can prove your child is not being taken care of... just do the right thing and get custody of your child.
Think about it daycare won't let your child attend if it's only partially paid.... what do you tell the director ? My kids dad will pay the rest in a week??? Or what about school lunches .... sorry you can't eat cause your parent hasn't paid their support yet this month??? You only get half of your school supplies until your mom pays her support????
Most states already have child support deposited to a debit card... so it's not like it can't be tracked. But the courts would never be able to do it. State agencies don't even take cases to court for visitation issues.... do you really think they are going to worry about how each dollar is spent? If you can prove your child is not being taken care of... just do the right thing and get custody of your child.
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Louis Cipher;1646220 said:once again...i see youve never been involved with family law/court....
nobody said anything about not supporting your child...let me get that out...
cmon fam...youve been in a relationship thats ended badly...we all have...now add to that mix a child...and the leverage that woman has with that child...especially in a divorce...when all the dust cleared i was paying for everything...but youre entitled to your opinion...i hope you never have to deal with all this, but if/when you do...remember all the shit you said in here
You see that because I said it? Where?
Because I have.
I know it aint cool bein on papers cause I'm on em even tho I aint supposed to be. How do you think that would make a nigga feel? Because you know the state move when they want and aint fixed my shit. It's cool the money goes straight to my daughters savings account.
I don't wish bein in the system on nobody. If you don't need to be on child support to support your child you shouldn't be on it. Period.
But it's people who need and have to be.
I'm glad I got who I got pregnant.
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powerman 5000
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mssouthernthang;1646333 said:In theory it seems nice but the problem is when the money will actually reach the card compared to when it's needed. My son's dad and I had a convo about this very same thing... after I showed him all the bills and how much it cost to raise his child... he shut up real quick.
Think about it daycare won't let your child attend if it's only partially paid.... what do you tell the director ? My kids dad will pay the rest in a week??? Or what about school lunches .... sorry you can't eat cause your parent hasn't paid their support yet this month??? You only get half of your school supplies until your mom pays her support????
Most states already have child support deposited to a debit card... so it's not like it can't be tracked. But the courts would never be able to do it. State agencies don't even take cases to court for visitation issues.... do you really think they are going to worry about how each dollar is spent? If you can prove your child is not being taken care of... just do the right thing and get custody of your child.
Exactly, money talks a language we all understand. I think the premise of this thread was a way to make the shit fair for all involved. I'm sure if you showed him that information and he found out her was over paying, you would have gotten a different response; given the same information and it turning out he has been under paying you would have gotten yet another unique response. It's good you to document that sort of thing. Ones claims are nothing without documentation. I think on the average case if you give someone the most information you can to prove what's going on is fair and just, everyone involved will fall in line. It's when people don't know crucial information and feel like that they are being taken advantage of, that people will panic and rebell.
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Fundz O' Plenty
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Djunior;1646356 said:You see that because I said it? Where?
Because I have.
I know it aint cool bein on papers cause I'm on em even tho I aint supposed to be. How do you think that would make a nigga feel? Because you know the state move when they want and aint fixed my shit. It's cool the money goes straight to my daughters savings account.
I don't wish bein in the system on nobody. If you don't need to be on child support to support your child you shouldn't be on it. Period.
But it's people who need and have to be.
I'm glad I got who I got pregnant.
lol..... hell you been nigga?
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thehonorable
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mssouthernthang;1646333 said:In theory it seems nice but the problem is when the money will actually reach the card compared to when it's needed. My son's dad and I had a convo about this very same thing... after I showed him all the bills and how much it cost to raise his child... he shut up real quick.
Think about it daycare won't let your child attend if it's only partially paid.... what do you tell the director ? My kids dad will pay the rest in a week??? Or what about school lunches .... sorry you can't eat cause your parent hasn't paid their support yet this month??? You only get half of your school supplies until your mom pays her support????
Most states already have child support deposited to a debit card... so it's not like it can't be tracked. But the courts would never be able to do it. State agencies don't even take cases to court for visitation issues.... do you really think they are going to worry about how each dollar is spent? If you can prove your child is not being taken care of... just do the right thing and get custody of your child.
How is the delivery different from current methods at all?
And are you calling the dept of agriculture liars when it comes to common costs of a child?
What is this partially paid business? There is a standard in place while this should be settled... I see no real problem with time. If your childs well being aint enough to get things settled then jail time out to seriouslly put you in gear.
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thehonorable
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mssouthernthang;1646333 said:In theory it seems nice but the problem is when the money will actually reach the card compared to when it's needed. My son's dad and I had a convo about this very same thing... after I showed him all the bills and how much it cost to raise his child... he shut up real quick.
Think about it daycare won't let your child attend if it's only partially paid.... what do you tell the director ? My kids dad will pay the rest in a week??? Or what about school lunches .... sorry you can't eat cause your parent hasn't paid their support yet this month??? You only get half of your school supplies until your mom pays her support????
Most states already have child support deposited to a debit card... so it's not like it can't be tracked. But the courts would never be able to do it. State agencies don't even take cases to court for visitation issues.... do you really think they are going to worry about how each dollar is spent? If you can prove your child is not being taken care of... just do the right thing and get custody of your child.
How is the delivery different from current methods at all?
And are you calling the dept of agriculture liars when it comes to common costs of a child?
What is this partially paid business? There is a standard in place while this should be settled... I see no real problem with time. If your childs well being aint enough to get things settled then jail time out to seriouslly put you in gear.
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Fundz O' Plenty;1646426 said:lol..... hell you been nigga?
New Dept. and these niggas nosy as hell. Plus everything based on metrics so I gotta put up some stupid numbers. Don't wanna be the lowest nigga on the totem pole when they start lookin at niggas funny.
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MsSouthern
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thehonorable;1646429 said:How is the delivery different from current methods at all?
And are you calling the dept of agriculture liars when it comes to common costs of a child?
What is this partially paid business? There is a standard in place while this should be settled... I see no real problem with time. If your childs well being aint enough to get things settled then jail time out to seriouslly put you in gear.
It is the average cost...... so you can't pin a certain amount on all children.... some are more ... some are less. Do you know how much it costs to put a 1 yr old in a decent daycare ? I'll give you a hint... it's more than or extremely close to what most folks pay for rent.
And I brought up partialy paid because things like daycare cost and lunches, and school supplies should be both parents duty to pay for. My point is that if you are making the custodial parent show what the money is spent on .... then it should come when the bills are due. Not when the other parent or the system decides to deposit it onto a card.
Just curious.... to everyone that has such issues with child support ..... how many kids do you have? And how many of those kids actually live with you?
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thehonorable
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Again, the only thing changing is a direct payment system. As it currently stands it pry gives a bit more than the current system gives. The flat rate is giving the benefit of the doubt, plus it would expedite the process of getting the cases in and out.
Its a standard that the government came up with, so they dont know what they are talking about in their costs concerning a child...you know, with the social scientists they employ.
Whats rent... My rent is upwards of 3 stacks a month... is that daycare costs? Or is it clsoer to 800 or 900... which equals out to about 450 a parent...which falls in line to the amount that is set.
What is so wrong with having this stuff set up? It seems like you people dont really want it for no reason but its different.
ANd so the fuck what I dont have any kids. I aint never kill anyone, does that mean I dont know what murder means. Get the fuck outta here with that.
Its a standard that the government came up with, so they dont know what they are talking about in their costs concerning a child...you know, with the social scientists they employ.
Whats rent... My rent is upwards of 3 stacks a month... is that daycare costs? Or is it clsoer to 800 or 900... which equals out to about 450 a parent...which falls in line to the amount that is set.
What is so wrong with having this stuff set up? It seems like you people dont really want it for no reason but its different.
ANd so the fuck what I dont have any kids. I aint never kill anyone, does that mean I dont know what murder means. Get the fuck outta here with that.
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fiat_money
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Couldn't the custodial parent just buy things at inflated prices or in increased amounts and reflect them on receipts to receive extra money?
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thehonorable
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fiat_money;1646586 said:Couldn't the custodial parent just buy things at inflated prices or in increased amounts and reflect them on receipts to receive extra money?
Sure. They could, but risk fraud. Due dilligence by representation should be able to get to the bottom of that thoguh.
And if you aint getting a lawyer concerning your child you deserve what happens either way.
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marie addams
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mssouthernthang;1646521 said:It is the average cost...... so you can't pin a certain amount on all children.... some are more ... some are less. Do you know how much it costs to put a 1 yr old in a decent daycare ? I'll give you a hint... it's more than or extremely close to what most folks pay for rent.
I have a friend with a new baby paying a little over $800 a month for day care. mind you this is a baby..not a child that will require food or any other supplies from the child care provider. A baby who basically sleeps all day. She and her fiance still have to provide milk, diapers, etc.
The debit card thing would be ideal if you were able to pay utilities with it. People seem to conveniently forget the parent the child lives with also has to provide room and board for it lol. Its too many layers to even argue about it. As mentioned by several other posters before me if its a problem then file for custody
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