So you think the last feminist/women's advocate movement was ridiculous, check this one out. lol

[AfrikQueen]

Is it not more likely that these black men simply choose these white women because they don't want to deal with the perceived stressful relationship that comes with dating black women. A perception they would have attained form watching their own black families and friends

america is also a white society but most caribbean immigrants don't date fat white women in america at least not nowhere as much as in the UK so what;s so different about america it's probably the higher population on black women.

Could that same rhetoric not be applied to black women? Because according to this study...
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/soci...ality-reeves?cid=00900015020149101US0001-0410

When black women marry, they marry someone with less education 58% of the time. Only 11% of black women marry men with more education. Not to mention that 68% of black men of equal education are not marrying black women......

Black women are marrying down, but we are gold diggers, and cause black men all this stress right? Yet, according to the Pew Research center black men who date non-black women exclusively date more women due to the fact that whether a black man is with an Asian, Latina, White female ect the relationships don't last long.

Black caribbean immigrants in Canada are just the same as the ones in the UK.

black women have to establish respect for black men first before any of our issues can be fixed because men love to be honored and respected and we typical love those who respect us and with that love should come protection attention and all the other things all women crave.

You will never gain respect from black women when you place them less on the totem pole, nor will men of other races ever respect you as long as you treat the women from your race the way you do.

 

[zzombie]

Is it not more likely that these black men simply choose these white women because they don't want to deal with the perceived stressful relationship that comes with dating black women. A perception they would have attained form watching their own black families and friends

america is also a white society but most caribbean immigrants don't date fat white women in america at least not nowhere as much as in the UK so what;s so different about america it's probably the higher population on black women.

Could that same rhetoric not be applied to black women? Because according to this study...
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/soci...ality-reeves?cid=00900015020149101US0001-0410

When black women marry, they marry someone with less education 58% of the time. Only 11% of black women marry men with more education. Not to mention that 68% of black men of equal education are not marrying black women......

Black women are marrying down, but we are gold diggers, and cause black men all this stress right? Yet, according to the Pew Research center black men who date non-black women exclusively date more women due to the fact that whether a black man is with an Asian, Latina, White female ect the relationships don't last long.

Black caribbean immigrants in Canada are just the same as the ones in the UK.

I did not ask you about canada, i spoke about america. Canada is similar to the uk in that back people make up a much smaller percentage of the TOTAL population. So therefore if you are a black male in those nations you are surrounded by pink-toes which means the incidence of race mixing will naturally be higher. Now i am not excusing this behavior but don't try to make it seem like it happens just because of brainwashing. Who said anything about black women being gold diggers????

The fact that black women marry men of lower education says alot about the horrible parental skills of black people especially our women. why aren't there enough black men of equal educational attainment out here for these women to marry????

 

[desertrain10]

T/s

This is obviously a ploy to get press, attention...on part of the women involved

Obviously it worked

Funny I guess

@deadeye

Stop @ing me to these things

I do not speak for all feminist, women, nor do the women involved speak for any one but themselves

 

[DarcSkies]

feminists need to start cleaning house

GOddamnit...One of those comments I wish I'd have thought of first. Itw as just right there - for years - and I never thought of it SMMFH

 

[zzombie]

Is it not more likely that these black men simply choose these white women because they don't want to deal with the perceived stressful relationship that comes with dating black women. A perception they would have attained form watching their own black families and friends

america is also a white society but most caribbean immigrants don't date fat white women in america at least not nowhere as much as in the UK so what;s so different about america it's probably the higher population on black women.

Could that same rhetoric not be applied to black women? Because according to this study...
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/soci...ality-reeves?cid=00900015020149101US0001-0410

When black women marry, they marry someone with less education 58% of the time. Only 11% of black women marry men with more education. Not to mention that 68% of black men of equal education are not marrying black women......

Black women are marrying down, but we are gold diggers, and cause black men all this stress right? Yet, according to the Pew Research center black men who date non-black women exclusively date more women due to the fact that whether a black man is with an Asian, Latina, White female ect the relationships don't last long.

Black caribbean immigrants in Canada are just the same as the ones in the UK.

black women have to establish respect for black men first before any of our issues can be fixed because men love to be honored and respected and we typical love those who respect us and with that love should come protection attention and all the other things all women crave.

You will never gain respect from black women when you place them less on the totem pole, nor will men of other races ever respect you as long as you treat the women from your race the way you do.

Most black men when we do get married marry black women and let me tell you a LITTLE SECRET most men don't give a fuck about their women especially white men. White men treated their women like dogs for centuries and gave no fucks about them therefore white women had to invent feminism. Hell why do you think most cuckholds today are white males??? they don't value their wives, and east asian men were and still are just as abusive to their women. As a whole black men don't treat our women any worse than any other culture.

The only reason white males gave a fuck about black men fucking their women was because they felt like it was a violations of their ownership and a corruption of societal order.

 

[AfrikQueen]

I did not ask you about canada, i spoke about america. Canada is similar to the uk in that back people make up a much smaller percentage of the TOTAL population. So therefore if you are a black male in those nations you are surrounded by pink-toes which means the incidence of race mixing will naturally be higher. Now i am not excusing this behavior but don't try to make it seem like it happens just because of brainwashing. Who said anything about black women being gold diggers????

Thats not an excuse, Arabs, Indians and even Africans in these countries live in the same environments as black caribbean immigrants, yet they continue to procreate and marry people from their race, while black caribbean immigrants typically go towards whiteness. So why are Arabs, Indians and even Africans going in the opposite direction of black immigrants?

I remember when Muammar Gaddafi the ex leader of Libya sent a bunch of Libyan students to France to study the sciences, he told them publicly that he was not sending them to France to marry nor procreate with white women, he was sending them their to get an education, and to come back to Libya to help their people.

The problem is you all have adapted to the european concept of individualism.

The fact that black women marry men of lower education says alot about the horrible parental skills of black people especially our women. why aren't there enough black men of equal educational attainment out here for these women to marry????

I previously worked in the education system, and from what I can see... Black males generally fall behind in school around the 6th grade, and never rebound. Black women come from the same gene pools, and environments as black men, the issue more so is related to white male patriarchy.

 

[zzombie]

I did not ask you about canada, i spoke about america. Canada is similar to the uk in that back people make up a much smaller percentage of the TOTAL population. So therefore if you are a black male in those nations you are surrounded by pink-toes which means the incidence of race mixing will naturally be higher. Now i am not excusing this behavior but don't try to make it seem like it happens just because of brainwashing. Who said anything about black women being gold diggers????

Thats not an excuse, Arabs, Indians and even Africans in these countries live in the same environments as black caribbean immigrants, yet they continue to procreate and marry people from their race, while black caribbean immigrants typically go towards whiteness. So why are Arabs, Indians and even Africans going in the opposite direction of black immigrants?

I remember when Muammar Gaddafi the ex leader of Libya sent a bunch of Libyan students to France to study the sciences, he told them publicly that he was not sending them to France to marry nor procreate with white women, he was sending them their to get an education, and to come back to Libya to help their people.

The problem is you all have adapted to the european concept of individualism.

The fact that black women marry men of lower education says alot about the horrible parental skills of black people especially our women. why aren't there enough black men of equal educational attainment out here for these women to marry????

I previously worked in the education system, and from what I can see... Black males generally fall behind in school around the 6th grade, and never rebound. Black women come from the same gene pools, and environments as black men, the issue more so is related to white male patriarchy.

AFRICANS and east indians are naturally going to be more ethnocentric when they leave their home nations and live elsewhere because in the first place they don't speak the language as well and often have a different religion these people and are less familiar with the culture in a western country so they have to stick together. For people coming from the west indies moving into an english speaking nation like the uk and canada is much easier thus their is less ethnocentrism so a higher percentage will marry out.

also west indian men and women are more attractive to whites because dating us will naturally be easier because we provide a certain level of exoticness without being to alien.

I am not down with the blame the white man for everything excuse, black boys fall the fuck off because black parents allow it.

 

[jetlifebih]

Education starts at home but with our single black moms working 2 jobs to keep the lights on and clothes on our back who is teaching our young black men??

Last i checked as a boy I was allowed to pretty much run the streets but most females were not, they were inside reading and writing while we was out playing man hunt

Parents gotta be harder on our boys

 

[blackrain]

i don't see how anyone can say that black men don't recognize black women and the struggles you go through for the race as a whole. The black community in america, with all it's single black mothers is basically ruled by black women and as many of you are quick to brag, you have better educations than us. ironically instead of producing black men who are anti-misogyny the exact opposite seems to be happening.

black women are literally producing men who hate them, some of us love our mothers but hate our sisters, why??? that is the key question. I think there is a difference between being patriarchal and being a misogynist, the black community could do with more truly benevolent patriarchal men and less patriarchal misogynist men.

I've talked to many black men of different generations, even my great grandfather who lived to be over 100 years old before died. They all stated since they were children they have all known black men to shit on black women, even for most it was difficult for them to admit. Black women raising men who hate them is not the problem, as the issue was already present when the black marriage rate was higher than that of the white marriage rate. I think when a gender/race have no protection, people have this innate element not to respect you, and that has largely been the case for black women; no matter how much education they receive, no matter how much they make at their job, its always the case.

However, I think the presidency of Obama, and the inclusion of black music (Hip-hop), as a means of black males in previously all white spaces have projected this element more so than anything.

YEAH THEIR have always been black men who shit on black women that should come as no surprise but the question is why??? is it just brainwashing i doubt it

if even when the marriage rate was higher black women still produced men who hate them then the problem is even worse, because it means that there can be no respectful relationship between black men and women because even when we were each others only option we still produced children who hated themselves and their biological counterparts.

black women have to establish respect for black men first before any of our issues can be fixed because men love to be honored and respected and we typical love those who respect us and with that love should come protection attention and all the other things all women crave.

A weird twist on the real black men shit on black women is because 98% of our interaction with women in general is black women. Our idea of a woman is a black woman. When men make comments about black women majority are speaking about women in general but because majority of us deal with black women that's who those comments get made about.

 

[JokerzWyld]

The worst thing you can do to a feminist is give her everything she asks for, and take away her "female privilege"

 

[xxCivicxx]

I find it odd that a black feminist would disrespect a fellow black woman who she does not know at all just because she thinks it's some kind of slight towards me.

Said black feminist seems strangely fixated on my pic, like she really tried to analyze it for anything she could use against me in an intellectual discussion.

And I find it even more odd that she would bring up my pic considering she's too scared to put one up and reveal who's behind the ignorance

 

[R0mp]

Strong b8 m8.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

According to data released from the 2010 United States Census only 35.8% of Black men are married. So using data that picks at the percentage of black men that are married, and those who are exclusively married to black women, while ignoring the fact the majority of black men never marry, and that the majority of black men with non-black men never marry due to the fact that interracial relationships with black men don't last long according to the Pew Research center makes your argument null and void. You have to apply the number of black men married and non-married (in relationships) with black women to make your point valid. I don't expect black men to support black women, nor to ever stand up for the rights of black women, black men have not done so for 400 years, why would they do so now?

I don't apply white feminist rhetoric in my life. Using Norah Vincent is an example of that, which proves a point I made early of black men wanting to be white men, thinking the problems white men have with white women, are their problems. Black men want black women to remain silent to their experiences, while being their cheerleaders.

Ok, I've tried, but I can't take you seriously. This is the second post in a row that you've directed towards me where the last sentence in your titangraph pretty much discredited everything else you said. You can't say you don't apply white feminist rhetoric and then end your post with the type of bullshit statement that one of them would make. For God's sake, you basically said the same exact shit as the women in the article I posted. They too are making the accusation that men just want women to be silent and cater to them. You keep claiming that's what Black men want. But what Black man has ever said that. Not one dude in here has made such a comment.

T/s

This is obviously a ploy to get press, attention...on part of the women involved

Obviously it worked

Funny I guess

@deadeye

Stop @ing me to these things

I do not speak for all feminist, women, nor do the women involved speak for any one but themselves

What makes it so obvious though? More and more supposedly respected feminists are coming out saying shit like this. At what point do you stop claiming that every incident is some outlier and acknowledge that maybe the movement has been derailed. And I still don't see how you can claim to be something and not condemn the actions that reflect badly on that what you claim to be.

 

[desertrain10]

T/s

This is obviously a ploy to get press, attention...on part of the women involved

Obviously it worked

Funny I guess

@deadeye

Stop @ing me to these things

I do not speak for all feminist, women, nor do the women involved speak for any one but themselves

What makes it so obvious though? More and more supposedly respected feminists are coming out saying shit like this. At what point do you stop claiming that every incident is some outlier and acknowledge that maybe the movement has been derailed. And I still don't see how you can claim to be something and not condemn the actions that reflect badly on that what you claim to be.

You think these women are really expecting to be compensated with money for responding to an unsolicited 'hello'? lol

And who are these respected feminists you speak of?

I've acknowledged that there are extremist within the "movement" on this site, and that i don't necessarily see eye to eye with mainstream feminism....multiple times bruh

That's easy for me

Now that we got that out the way

Let's talk about the calls to cut off funding for planned parenthood; or how the overwhelming majority of blk women murdered were murdered by men many of whom they were intimate with and their deaths unrelated to any other criminal activity; or let's talk about misogyny in hip hop

 

[The Lonious Monk]

T/s

This is obviously a ploy to get press, attention...on part of the women involved

Obviously it worked

Funny I guess

@deadeye

Stop @ing me to these things

I do not speak for all feminist, women, nor do the women involved speak for any one but themselves

What makes it so obvious though? More and more supposedly respected feminists are coming out saying shit like this. At what point do you stop claiming that every incident is some outlier and acknowledge that maybe the movement has been derailed. And I still don't see how you can claim to be something and not condemn the actions that reflect badly on that what you claim to be.

You think these women are really expecting to be compensated with money for responding to an unsolicited 'hello'? lol

And who are these respected feminists you speak of?

I've acknowledged that there are extremist within the "movement" on this site, and that i don't necessarily see eye to eye with mainstream feminism....multiple times bruh

That's easy for me

Now that we got that out the way

Let's talk about the calls to cut off funding for planned parenthood; or how the overwhelming majority of blk women murdered were murdered by men many of whom they were intimate with and their deaths unrelated to any criminal activity; or let's talk about misogyny in hip hop

I don't they expect it to happen. I do think they feel what they are saying is valid.

As for the things you brought up.

Planned Parenthood - lots of social programs have been or are being cut. This is not a 'woman' issue.

Men murdering women - it's bad. I'm not sure what else there is to say about it. The men who do shit like that get punished accordingly. The men who don't do shit like that shouldn't be scapegoated for it.

Misogyny in Hip Hop - depends on the song really. Hip Hop can be violent, misogynistic, homophobic, etc... When put in context, it's not as bad as some people make it out to be. However, there is Hip Hop that is just smut with no redeeming value. Let's not act like only men like it though. Some of the worst most misogynistic songs are also the most popular among women. Why should men be beat up for liking that music if women like it too. Why should men be beat up for making the music if women will happily jump into the videos and play out the lyrics in visual form. I'm not saying it's not bad, but why make it seem like all these issues are the fault of men when women are just as complicit.

 

[deadeye]

Hilarious.

@GodNThaBuild'n .

Do a photoshop of that pic with @HafBayked and @Kat 's faces.

 

[deadeye]

Let's talk about how the overwhelming majority of blk women murdered were murdered by men many of whom they were intimate with and their deaths unrelated to any other criminal activity

Simple solution.

They could have avoided those situations if they didn't choose to be with abusive men.

 

[desertrain10]

T/s

This is obviously a ploy to get press, attention...on part of the women involved

Obviously it worked

Funny I guess

@deadeye

Stop @ing me to these things

I do not speak for all feminist, women, nor do the women involved speak for any one but themselves

What makes it so obvious though? More and more supposedly respected feminists are coming out saying shit like this. At what point do you stop claiming that every incident is some outlier and acknowledge that maybe the movement has been derailed. And I still don't see how you can claim to be something and not condemn the actions that reflect badly on that what you claim to be.

You think these women are really expecting to be compensated with money for responding to an unsolicited 'hello'? lol

And who are these respected feminists you speak of?

I've acknowledged that there are extremist within the "movement" on this site, and that i don't necessarily see eye to eye with mainstream feminism....multiple times bruh

That's easy for me

Now that we got that out the way

Let's talk about the calls to cut off funding for planned parenthood; or how the overwhelming majority of blk women murdered were murdered by men many of whom they were intimate with and their deaths unrelated to any criminal activity; or let's talk about misogyny in hip hop

I don't they expect it to happen. I do think they feel what they are saying is valid.

As for the things you brought up.

Planned Parenthood - lots of social programs have been or are being cut. This is not a 'woman' issue.

Men murdering women - it's bad. I'm not sure what else there is to say about it. The men who do shit like that get punished accordingly. The men who don't do shit like that shouldn't be scapegoated for it.

Misogyny in Hip Hop - depends on the song really. Hip Hop can be violent, misogynistic, homophobic, etc... When put in context, it's not as bad as some people make it out to be. However, there is Hip Hop that is just smut with no redeeming value. Let's not act like only men like it though. Some of the worst most misogynistic songs are also the most popular among women. Why should men be beat up for liking that music if women like it too. Why should men be beat up for making the music if women will happily jump into the videos and play out the lyrics in visual form. I'm not saying it's not bad, but why make it seem like all these issues are the fault of men when women are just as complicit.

I believe the hashtag was obviously a ploy to bring attention to their message ... You asked why....Whether they truly believe in the validity of that message is irrelevant to the point I was making

A lot of social programs are cut, but this push to take away womens reproductive rights is unprecedented imho...the call to cut funding planned parenthood is just an extension of that considering they provide the means for a lot of lower income women to terminate early pregnancies ...not to mention in states like an Alabama there is only 1 or maybe 2 operational abortion clinics...and recently there was a big fight over would employers have to cover female birthcontrol pills that serve other purpose besides preventing pregnancies even though a lot of plans cover viagra

Whether or not the responsible party is punished is besides the point... We should be discussing why so many blk women murdered are not only killed but sexually abused by the men in their lives...unless u feel as though it's an issue not worth discussing

Misogny in mainstream hip hop is rampant .... The fact that this music popular with young woman and men alike should concern us all... And only means they have began to internalize sexism

And never did I ever once place blame at one person or one groups feet...we all share some blame... So miss me with your attempts to make it seem as though I'm just some man basher

 

[desertrain10]

Let's talk about how the overwhelming majority of blk women murdered were murdered by men many of whom they were intimate with and their deaths unrelated to any other criminal activity

Simple solution.

They could have avoided those situations if they didn't choose to be with abusive men.

So there's no discussion to be had about the mindset these men may share

Smh

I can't.... Lol

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I believe the hashtag was obviously a ploy to bring attention to their message ... You asked why....Whether they truly believe in the validity of that message is irrelevant to the point I was making

A lot of social programs are cut, but this push to take away womens reproductive rights is unprecedented imho...the call to cut funding planned parenthood is just an extension of that considering they provide the means for a lot of lower income women to terminate early pregnancies ...not to mention in states like an Alabama there is only 1 or maybe 2 operational abortion clinics...and recently there was a big fight over would employers have to cover female birthcontrol pills that serve other purpose besides preventing pregnancies even though a lot of plans cover viagra

Whether or not the responsible party is punished is besides the point... We should be discussing why so many blk women murdered are not only killed but sexually abused by the men in their lives...unless u feel as though it's an issue not worth discussing

Misogny in mainstream hip hop is rampant .... The fact that this music popular with young woman and men alike should concern us all... And only means they have began to internalize sexism

And never did I ever once place blame at one person or one groups feet...we all share some blame... So miss me with your attempts to make it seem as though I'm just some man basher

We can agree to disagree on the Planned Parenthood stuff. I don't believe women have some kind of fundamental right to kill developing children. So I don't believe that right can be taken away. Is it legal? Yes, but legal rights come and go based on the will of the people. If more people are for abortion than against it, then they should put political pressure on the politicians, and the attack on abortion will cease. I have a feeling though that there are as many people against abortion as for it, and as a result things like this can happen.

I think the topic of why so many women are murdered and sexually abused is a topic worth discussing. I just don't have any input because I don't have a clue of what the answer could be or the solution. I'd guess at least some of those women were after bad boys and found one, but I doubt that is true for the majority of victims.

Ehhh I don't particularly like modern mainstream hip hop, and I'd agree with you that the messages the music send out are dangerous.

I'm not attempting to make you seem like anything. But you and others do seem to throw a lot of the blame for these issues at men's feet and specifically black men. I wouldn't say you're the worst when it comes to that, but you're being disingenuous if you're claiming that you've never done that on here.