Lebron calls Phil Jackson racist for calling his entourage "his posse"

[blackrain]

Being that it's very well known who LeBron's people are it's pretty safe to say Phil Jackson knows who they are and that they're his actual business partners and not just some people tagging along for the ride...and it's also safe to say that Pat Riley knew that LeBron asked for them to stay overnight so they could have dinner and not just go out and party...and clearly by the fact that the team did end up staying for the dinner, which that day the put pics all up on social media because I remember them showing the pics on tv during the Cowboys game that year, Riley knew who was there and what the team was staying for...so if Phil Jackson is paraphrasing then he was being purposely misleading with his statement and making it seem like he was alluding to a random stop and not what it was actually for, which another report has already confirmed he knew the instance Riley told him about was a team dinner. There's no real angle to look at this from where Phil Jackson isn't being disrespectful.

See we're starting to blend too many different arguments here. I agree that Phil was being disrespectful especially if he knew who the people with LeBron were or that Riley knew who was with LeBron (I'm taking your word for both because I don't know).

The think that's being debated is whether or not it was a racial issue. LeBron tied race to the word posse. My point is that I don't see any reason that race had to be brought in at all especially with regards to a word that doesn't have any racial connotations attached. Why is this a race thing and not just a "Phil disrespecting a player he's been beefing with" thing?

Because as many have pointed out, even other NBA people like Stan Van Gundy said just the other day, typically that word isn't used for white players and their friends. I brought up the example of Johnny Manziel. How many times has the people he's running with doing all the dumb shit he's done the past 2-3 years been referred to as a posse vs his friends? The tone in which Phil Jackson used it, given the NBA is a league with majority black players, it's going to automatically seem as if there's a racial undertone to it.

 

[blackrain]

Cops killing kids in Cleveland with impunity...silence

Phil calls him out for having a posse...responds immediately.

Please ignore his fake outrage.

LeBron is doing what many say they want athletes to do and put his money and time up to help black folks and he put up $40 mill to put essentially a generation of kids into college for the sole purpose of staying in Akron to build up the community. Y'all got to realize different people fight the battle in different ways.

That wasn't my point. I was only speaking of his fake outrage. I'm aware he put up the money which is very admirable.

What makes it fake though? Because he's mad somebody took a personal shot once again, remember this ain't the first time Phil Jackson has said this about LeBron and his friends/business partners, and he called him out on it? Because he stepped up and said the truth which is that young black men who are in the business world are looked at as less than by white folks especially old white guys? What exactly is fake about it?

What are you a Lebron apologist? I explained his "fake" outrage in my first post.

So it's fake because he's not speaking about what you want him to specifically? That makes no sense

Honestly, I don't give a fuck what he does. But let's not ACT like dude didn't dismiss murdered children at the hands of police in his own fuckin city.

So because he didn't come out and say "Fuck the police" and instead said he didn't want to make a statement w/o knowing all the information means his outrage over this is fake? You're just mad he didn't speak out about Tamir Rice, which is a topic for discussion given how he's handled other incidents like Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner, but that doesn't mean him being mad about this is fake outrage. It just means you got a personal issue with LeBron James...and that one incident shouldn't be enough to dismiss all the other work he does for young black kids in Akron, which he's always made clear is where he's actually from and is working to change...

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Being that it's very well known who LeBron's people are it's pretty safe to say Phil Jackson knows who they are and that they're his actual business partners and not just some people tagging along for the ride...and it's also safe to say that Pat Riley knew that LeBron asked for them to stay overnight so they could have dinner and not just go out and party...and clearly by the fact that the team did end up staying for the dinner, which that day the put pics all up on social media because I remember them showing the pics on tv during the Cowboys game that year, Riley knew who was there and what the team was staying for...so if Phil Jackson is paraphrasing then he was being purposely misleading with his statement and making it seem like he was alluding to a random stop and not what it was actually for, which another report has already confirmed he knew the instance Riley told him about was a team dinner. There's no real angle to look at this from where Phil Jackson isn't being disrespectful.

See we're starting to blend too many different arguments here. I agree that Phil was being disrespectful especially if he knew who the people with LeBron were or that Riley knew who was with LeBron (I'm taking your word for both because I don't know).

The think that's being debated is whether or not it was a racial issue. LeBron tied race to the word posse. My point is that I don't see any reason that race had to be brought in at all especially with regards to a word that doesn't have any racial connotations attached. Why is this a race thing and not just a "Phil disrespecting a player he's been beefing with" thing?

Because as many have pointed out, even other NBA people like Stan Van Gundy said just the other day, typically that word isn't used for white players and their friends. I brought up the example of Johnny Manziel. How many times has the people he's running with doing all the dumb shit he's done the past 2-3 years been referred to as a posse vs his friends? The tone in which Phil Jackson used it, given the NBA is a league with majority black players, it's going to automatically seem as if there's a racial undertone to it.

No, it's not often used for white players and their friends. Guess what, it's not often used for black players and their friends either. You hear crew and entourage more often than not. And when white people want to throw a black lean to it, they say something like "homeboys." It's a relatively archaic term. You have to go back a ways to find a time when it was used more commonly, and people have already posted examples of the word being used in reference to white people when it was used more commonly. So that argument doesn't seem to hold much weight.

 

[dwade206]

Cops killing kids in Cleveland with impunity...silence

Phil calls him out for having a posse...responds immediately.

Please ignore his fake outrage.

LeBron is doing what many say they want athletes to do and put his money and time up to help black folks and he put up $40 mill to put essentially a generation of kids into college for the sole purpose of staying in Akron to build up the community. Y'all got to realize different people fight the battle in different ways.

That wasn't my point. I was only speaking of his fake outrage. I'm aware he put up the money which is very admirable.

What makes it fake though? Because he's mad somebody took a personal shot once again, remember this ain't the first time Phil Jackson has said this about LeBron and his friends/business partners, and he called him out on it? Because he stepped up and said the truth which is that young black men who are in the business world are looked at as less than by white folks especially old white guys? What exactly is fake about it?

What are you a Lebron apologist? I explained his "fake" outrage in my first post.

So it's fake because he's not speaking about what you want him to specifically? That makes no sense

Honestly, I don't give a fuck what he does. But let's not ACT like dude didn't dismiss murdered children at the hands of police in his own fuckin city.

So because he didn't come out and say "Fuck the police" and instead said he didn't want to make a statement w/o knowing all the information means his outrage over this is fake? You're just mad he didn't speak out about Tamir Rice, which is a topic for discussion given how he's handled other incidents like Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner, but that doesn't mean him being mad about this is fake outrage. It just means you got a personal issue with LeBron James...and that one incident shouldn't be enough to dismiss all the other work he does for young black kids in Akron, which he's always made clear is where he's actually from and is working to change...

Who said I was mad? You just made that shit up in that emotional titangraph.

 

[TheGOAT]

I guess since Phil is white he can only describe NBA entourages as "a multitude of African American gentlemen"

Anything else will be seen as racial.

 

[soul rattler]

I also want to point out the fact that he wouldn't have said that about LeBron if he had ever gotten the chance to be Lebron's coach.

Even Carmelo Anthony said it was disrespectful and he's Phil's star player.

 

[Copper]

"That's as far as I'm going to go with it," James said, following the Cavaliers' morning shootaround in preparation for tonight's game against Orlando. "I've already talked about it. I don't feel like right now that I'm going to comment right now."

LeBron on Tamir rice

 

[bgoat]

I guess since Phil is white he can only describe NBA entourages as "a multitude of African American gentlemen"

Anything else will be seen as racial.

Lebron's team, business partners/associates would have been fine.

 

[BedStuy]

Lebron a sensitive bitch. What about what Dan Gilbert said about him when he left for miami?

 

[TheGOAT]

I guess since Phil is white he can only describe NBA entourages as "a multitude of African American gentlemen"

Anything else will be seen as racial.

Lebron's team, business partners/associates would have been fine.

Sounds like Lebron feels like his entourage commands more respect than others

#AllEntouragesMatter

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I also want to point out the fact that he wouldn't have said that about LeBron if he had ever gotten the chance to be Lebron's coach.

Even Carmelo Anthony said it was disrespectful and he's Phil's star player.

Ok, but that only hurts your case that it was a racial thing. Again, this seems to be personal beef, nothing more.

 

[blackrain]

I guess since Phil is white he can only describe NBA entourages as "a multitude of African American gentlemen"

Anything else will be seen as racial.

Or by calling them who they are which are his friends and business partners which Maverick Carter made clear he wouldn't have had an issue with.

 

[blackrain]

Cops killing kids in Cleveland with impunity...silence

Phil calls him out for having a posse...responds immediately.

Please ignore his fake outrage.

LeBron is doing what many say they want athletes to do and put his money and time up to help black folks and he put up $40 mill to put essentially a generation of kids into college for the sole purpose of staying in Akron to build up the community. Y'all got to realize different people fight the battle in different ways.

That wasn't my point. I was only speaking of his fake outrage. I'm aware he put up the money which is very admirable.

What makes it fake though? Because he's mad somebody took a personal shot once again, remember this ain't the first time Phil Jackson has said this about LeBron and his friends/business partners, and he called him out on it? Because he stepped up and said the truth which is that young black men who are in the business world are looked at as less than by white folks especially old white guys? What exactly is fake about it?

What are you a Lebron apologist? I explained his "fake" outrage in my first post.

So it's fake because he's not speaking about what you want him to specifically? That makes no sense

Honestly, I don't give a fuck what he does. But let's not ACT like dude didn't dismiss murdered children at the hands of police in his own fuckin city.

So because he didn't come out and say "Fuck the police" and instead said he didn't want to make a statement w/o knowing all the information means his outrage over this is fake? You're just mad he didn't speak out about Tamir Rice, which is a topic for discussion given how he's handled other incidents like Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner, but that doesn't mean him being mad about this is fake outrage. It just means you got a personal issue with LeBron James...and that one incident shouldn't be enough to dismiss all the other work he does for young black kids in Akron, which he's always made clear is where he's actually from and is working to change...

Who said I was mad? You just made that shit up in that emotional titangraph.

Clearly you holding some negative feelings towards the man for not speaking out about Tamir Rice the way you wanted him to

 

[blackrain]

Being that it's very well known who LeBron's people are it's pretty safe to say Phil Jackson knows who they are and that they're his actual business partners and not just some people tagging along for the ride...and it's also safe to say that Pat Riley knew that LeBron asked for them to stay overnight so they could have dinner and not just go out and party...and clearly by the fact that the team did end up staying for the dinner, which that day the put pics all up on social media because I remember them showing the pics on tv during the Cowboys game that year, Riley knew who was there and what the team was staying for...so if Phil Jackson is paraphrasing then he was being purposely misleading with his statement and making it seem like he was alluding to a random stop and not what it was actually for, which another report has already confirmed he knew the instance Riley told him about was a team dinner. There's no real angle to look at this from where Phil Jackson isn't being disrespectful.

See we're starting to blend too many different arguments here. I agree that Phil was being disrespectful especially if he knew who the people with LeBron were or that Riley knew who was with LeBron (I'm taking your word for both because I don't know).

The think that's being debated is whether or not it was a racial issue. LeBron tied race to the word posse. My point is that I don't see any reason that race had to be brought in at all especially with regards to a word that doesn't have any racial connotations attached. Why is this a race thing and not just a "Phil disrespecting a player he's been beefing with" thing?

Because as many have pointed out, even other NBA people like Stan Van Gundy said just the other day, typically that word isn't used for white players and their friends. I brought up the example of Johnny Manziel. How many times has the people he's running with doing all the dumb shit he's done the past 2-3 years been referred to as a posse vs his friends? The tone in which Phil Jackson used it, given the NBA is a league with majority black players, it's going to automatically seem as if there's a racial undertone to it.

No, it's not often used for white players and their friends. Guess what, it's not often used for black players and their friends either. You hear crew and entourage more often than not. And when white people want to throw a black lean to it, they say something like "homeboys." It's a relatively archaic term. You have to go back a ways to find a time when it was used more commonly, and people have already posted examples of the word being used in reference to white people when it was used more commonly. So that argument doesn't seem to hold much weight.

And those words can also be negative if used in a certain context which is what the initial point of contention was with what Phil Jackson said...it's like the fact that LeBron and Maverick Carter specifically said they weren't calling him racist is being ignored. It was dismissive of their actual role they play

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I guess since Phil is white he can only describe NBA entourages as "a multitude of African American gentlemen"

Anything else will be seen as racial.

Or by calling them who they are which are his friends and business partners which Maverick Carter made clear he wouldn't have had an issue with.

But is that how people really talk? Remember, Phil was giving his impression on how he felt Riley was responding to the situation. Under the circumstances of the incident was Riley more likely to say "I don't care if he's with his homeboys/posse/clique/crew/insert word here, he needs to be on the bus" or "I don't care if he's with his friends and business partners, he needs to be on the bus." Be real.

 

[soul rattler]

I also want to point out the fact that he wouldn't have said that about LeBron if he had ever gotten the chance to be Lebron's coach.

Even Carmelo Anthony said it was disrespectful and he's Phil's star player.

Ok, but that only hurts your case that it was a racial thing. Again, this seems to be personal beef, nothing more.

And now for the 20th time, IT WAS NOT A RACIST INSULT.

lol we are not saying Phil is racist. However, he doesn't have to be a racist to make a statement with potential racial undertones. Like I said on the first page, I think it is moreso a matter of how people view active black athletes. No one talks about Kenny Smith, Shaq, Kobe, Jordan, Kareem, Bill Russell, Chuck, etc like this because they are retired. But when you're active in what is generally considered a young man's game, coincidentally dominated by black men, people have this tendency to dismiss you as young, dumb, and ignorant no matter what you do.

And they think they can get away with it because if you speak up for yourself, they'll just say you're being sensitive or pulling the magical "race card".

 

[TheGOAT]

Being that it's very well known who LeBron's people are it's pretty safe to say Phil Jackson knows who they are and that they're his actual business partners and not just some people tagging along for the ride...and it's also safe to say that Pat Riley knew that LeBron asked for them to stay overnight so they could have dinner and not just go out and party...and clearly by the fact that the team did end up staying for the dinner, which that day the put pics all up on social media because I remember them showing the pics on tv during the Cowboys game that year, Riley knew who was there and what the team was staying for...so if Phil Jackson is paraphrasing then he was being purposely misleading with his statement and making it seem like he was alluding to a random stop and not what it was actually for, which another report has already confirmed he knew the instance Riley told him about was a team dinner. There's no real angle to look at this from where Phil Jackson isn't being disrespectful.

See we're starting to blend too many different arguments here. I agree that Phil was being disrespectful especially if he knew who the people with LeBron were or that Riley knew who was with LeBron (I'm taking your word for both because I don't know).

The think that's being debated is whether or not it was a racial issue. LeBron tied race to the word posse. My point is that I don't see any reason that race had to be brought in at all especially with regards to a word that doesn't have any racial connotations attached. Why is this a race thing and not just a "Phil disrespecting a player he's been beefing with" thing?

Because as many have pointed out, even other NBA people like Stan Van Gundy said just the other day, typically that word isn't used for white players and their friends. I brought up the example of Johnny Manziel. How many times has the people he's running with doing all the dumb shit he's done the past 2-3 years been referred to as a posse vs his friends? The tone in which Phil Jackson used it, given the NBA is a league with majority black players, it's going to automatically seem as if there's a racial undertone to it.

No, it's not often used for white players and their friends. Guess what, it's not often used for black players and their friends either. You hear crew and entourage more often than not. And when white people want to throw a black lean to it, they say something like "homeboys." It's a relatively archaic term. You have to go back a ways to find a time when it was used more commonly, and people have already posted examples of the word being used in reference to white people when it was used more commonly. So that argument doesn't seem to hold much weight.

And those words can also be negative if used in a certain context which is what the initial point of contention was with what Phil Jackson said...it's like the fact that LeBron and Maverick Carter specifically said they weren't calling him racist is being ignored. It was dismissive of their actual role they play

Was this after Lebron already made it racial by saying it was bcuz they are black?

Obviously they talked it over and backpeddled when Lebron tried to take it somewhere it didnt have to go.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Again, ya'll dudes are all over the place. Everyone here acknowledges that Lebron said they weren't calling Phil racist. That was other people after the fact. However, Lebron injected race into this incident by saying that Phil used a particular word because he and his people are black. If you say someone was motivated by race to do something disparaging, you're saying that person committed an act of racism. You don't have to actually say the word "racist."

I agree that Phil's remark was disrespectful. I'm just saying I don't see where race should have come in at all. You guys in different ways each time are basically saying repeatedly that "it could have had racial undertones so it must have had racial undertones." If the word itself has no real racial connotation and nothing else Phil said referenced race, why does race even need to come into the discussion. Why couldn't it just have been a case of one man not showing the respect due to other men?

 

[Valentinez A. Kaiser]

Also, aint no one saying Bron is a bad dude. Bron is top 5, arguably top 3 player of all time that is still adding to his legacy and has a legit chance to be in the conversation of being the greatest of all time. Almost everyone will give it to Jordan and rightfully so, but Lebron could have a legit argument to be the best ever if he keeps playing at a high level. Just being able to be in the argument is a accomplishment nobody would have thought was possible 10 years ago. He is that good.

Off the court? He has proven to be a good dude that puts his money where his mouth is.

Also off the court? He has proven to be egotiscal and sensitive as fuck. In this case I think he was being a bit sensitive.

Overall he a GOAT NBA player and a good dude off the court.

Stephen A.......... Is that you????

 

[soul rattler]

Again, ya'll dudes are all over the place. Everyone here acknowledges that Lebron said they weren't calling Phil racist. That was other people after the fact. However, Lebron injected race into this incident by saying that Phil used a particular word because he and his people are black. If you say someone was motivated by race to do something disparaging, you're saying that person committed an act of racism. You don't have to actually say the word "racist."

I agree that Phil's remark was disrespectful. I'm just saying I don't see where race should have come in at all. You guys in different ways each time are basically saying repeatedly that "it could have had racial undertones so it must have had racial undertones." If the word itself has no real racial connotation and nothing else Phil said referenced race, why does race even need to come into the discussion. Why couldn't it just have been a case of one man not showing the respect due to other men?

Because he wouldn't refer to a non-black athlete as having a posse who gathers cars and women for him.