Lebron calls Phil Jackson racist for calling his entourage "his posse"

[AP21]

ya'll need to start changing the titles of these click bait threads

 

[blackrain]

I guess since Phil is white he can only describe NBA entourages as "a multitude of African American gentlemen"

Anything else will be seen as racial.

Or by calling them who they are which are his friends and business partners which Maverick Carter made clear he wouldn't have had an issue with.

But is that how people really talk? Remember, Phil was giving his impression on how he felt Riley was responding to the situation. Under the circumstances of the incident was Riley more likely to say "I don't care if he's with his homeboys/posse/clique/crew/insert word here, he needs to be on the bus" or "I don't care if he's with his friends and business partners, he needs to be on the bus." Be real.

Given that Phil used the exact same word in his book I'm going with the odds it was Phil Jackson giving his own interpretation

 

[blackrain]

Being that it's very well known who LeBron's people are it's pretty safe to say Phil Jackson knows who they are and that they're his actual business partners and not just some people tagging along for the ride...and it's also safe to say that Pat Riley knew that LeBron asked for them to stay overnight so they could have dinner and not just go out and party...and clearly by the fact that the team did end up staying for the dinner, which that day the put pics all up on social media because I remember them showing the pics on tv during the Cowboys game that year, Riley knew who was there and what the team was staying for...so if Phil Jackson is paraphrasing then he was being purposely misleading with his statement and making it seem like he was alluding to a random stop and not what it was actually for, which another report has already confirmed he knew the instance Riley told him about was a team dinner. There's no real angle to look at this from where Phil Jackson isn't being disrespectful.

See we're starting to blend too many different arguments here. I agree that Phil was being disrespectful especially if he knew who the people with LeBron were or that Riley knew who was with LeBron (I'm taking your word for both because I don't know).

The think that's being debated is whether or not it was a racial issue. LeBron tied race to the word posse. My point is that I don't see any reason that race had to be brought in at all especially with regards to a word that doesn't have any racial connotations attached. Why is this a race thing and not just a "Phil disrespecting a player he's been beefing with" thing?

Because as many have pointed out, even other NBA people like Stan Van Gundy said just the other day, typically that word isn't used for white players and their friends. I brought up the example of Johnny Manziel. How many times has the people he's running with doing all the dumb shit he's done the past 2-3 years been referred to as a posse vs his friends? The tone in which Phil Jackson used it, given the NBA is a league with majority black players, it's going to automatically seem as if there's a racial undertone to it.

No, it's not often used for white players and their friends. Guess what, it's not often used for black players and their friends either. You hear crew and entourage more often than not. And when white people want to throw a black lean to it, they say something like "homeboys." It's a relatively archaic term. You have to go back a ways to find a time when it was used more commonly, and people have already posted examples of the word being used in reference to white people when it was used more commonly. So that argument doesn't seem to hold much weight.

And those words can also be negative if used in a certain context which is what the initial point of contention was with what Phil Jackson said...it's like the fact that LeBron and Maverick Carter specifically said they weren't calling him racist is being ignored. It was dismissive of their actual role they play

Was this after Lebron already made it racial by saying it was bcuz they are black?

Obviously they talked it over and backpeddled when Lebron tried to take it somewhere it didnt have to go.

How you gonna ask a question then give an answer that only fits what you want it to? As to which came first Maverick Carter's tweet about it or LeBron saying what he said at the Cavs practice I don't know which came first. Regardless neither back peddled off the implication t that the comment had a racial undertone to it and as others in the sports world have openly said typically that word in that context is used for young black athletes and their friends and not usually white ones. That doesn't make it racist...you can be racially insensitive and or say something with a certain tone to it without it being full out that. There's nuances to it. It's not black and white. There's a grey area that exist

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Again, ya'll dudes are all over the place. Everyone here acknowledges that Lebron said they weren't calling Phil racist. That was other people after the fact. However, Lebron injected race into this incident by saying that Phil used a particular word because he and his people are black. If you say someone was motivated by race to do something disparaging, you're saying that person committed an act of racism. You don't have to actually say the word "racist."

I agree that Phil's remark was disrespectful. I'm just saying I don't see where race should have come in at all. You guys in different ways each time are basically saying repeatedly that "it could have had racial undertones so it must have had racial undertones." If the word itself has no real racial connotation and nothing else Phil said referenced race, why does race even need to come into the discussion. Why couldn't it just have been a case of one man not showing the respect due to other men?

Because he wouldn't refer to a non-black athlete as having a posse who gathers cars and women for him.

And you're basing this statement on...

I guess since Phil is white he can only describe NBA entourages as "a multitude of African American gentlemen"

Anything else will be seen as racial.

Or by calling them who they are which are his friends and business partners which Maverick Carter made clear he wouldn't have had an issue with.

But is that how people really talk? Remember, Phil was giving his impression on how he felt Riley was responding to the situation. Under the circumstances of the incident was Riley more likely to say "I don't care if he's with his homeboys/posse/clique/crew/insert word here, he needs to be on the bus" or "I don't care if he's with his friends and business partners, he needs to be on the bus." Be real.

Given that Phil used the exact same word in his book I'm going with the odds it was Phil Jackson giving his own interpretation

Umm yeah, I said "Phil was giving his impression on how he felt Riley was responding to the situation." In other words, we both agree Phil was the one doing the wording, but he wasn't making a direct statement to the interviewer, he was stating what he believed Pat Riley said in response to the incident.

 

[TheGOAT]

ya'll need to start changing the titles of these click bait threads

@AP21

Again, ya'll dudes are all over the place. Everyone here acknowledges that Lebron said they weren't calling Phil racist. That was other people after the fact. However, Lebron injected race into this incident by saying that Phil used a particular word because he and his people are black. If you say someone was motivated by race to do something disparaging, you're saying that person committed an act of racism. You don't have to actually say the word "racist."

 

[AP21]

but he didnt say "i think phil jackson is racist"

was it implied? possibly? but the thread gives the impression that Phil Jackson is on record saying something blatantly racist

 

[Ether44mag]

Posse aint racist at all Lebron just mad he got called out ...but I'm down with Lebron tho, fuck a Owner Fuck a Coach, he the one bringin the rings after all he done in the league he should be able to take some decisions

 

[playboy buddy rose]

truth told the word posse can be traced to the wild west days..... when you had an outlaw on the run and a reward was put out.. gunmen would form posse's to capture the bounty .

 

[Copper]

If he can forgive Dan Gilbert then this ain't shit

 

[soul rattler]

Dan Gilbert is paying dearly for his racist letter. He spent years being frugal and not spending salary on good players.

Lebron comes back, and now EVERYBODY will get paid. JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, EVERYBODY. Nobody is taking less to win in Cleveland like they did in Miami and I am 100% sure that if Dan ever steps out of his lane as a franchise owner, Lebron will leave again.

 

[blackrain]

Dan Gilbert is paying dearly for his racist letter. He spent years being frugal and not spending salary on good players.

Lebron comes back, and now EVERYBODY will get paid. JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, EVERYBODY. Nobody is taking less to win in Cleveland like they did in Miami and I am 100% sure that if Dan ever steps out of his lane as a franchise owner, Lebron will leave again.

LeBron is pretty much using Gilbert as his personal bank to player/GM his way to titles...

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

Reach....when you too short to reach the top shelf at a grocery store

 

[5th Letter]

I could see how LeBron would be offended the context made it offensive.

 

[soul rattler]

Dan Gilbert is paying dearly for his racist letter. He spent years being frugal and not spending salary on good players.

Lebron comes back, and now EVERYBODY will get paid. JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, EVERYBODY. Nobody is taking less to win in Cleveland like they did in Miami and I am 100% sure that if Dan ever steps out of his lane as a franchise owner, Lebron will leave again.

LeBron is pretty much using Gilbert as his personal bank to player/GM his way to titles...

Which is why no one can be mad at him. He's playing with the hand he dealt himself. If they don't like it, blame Dan Gilbert for being a classless racist imbecile.

 

[Shizlansky]

Lebron a sensitive bitch. What about what Dan Gilbert said about him when he left for miami?

That nigga bending over backwards for LBJ

He making that white man pay all his friends money they shouldn't command in the open market.

 

[Hendrix_NoJimmy]

Fck lebron

 

[aneed123]

Phil was being disrespectful period. Best believe if he was describing pat Riley's business people he wouldn't have said posse.

 

[T. Sanford]

I'm from Tennessee & I can see it being addressed in a racial term. He could've said colleague, associates

 

[aneed123]

Posse isn't a racist term. Bron being sensitive

pos·se

ˈpäsē/

noun

US historical

a body of men, typically armed, summoned by a sheriff to enforce the law.

BRITISH historical

the body of men in a county whom the sheriff could summon to enforce the law.

noun: posse comitatus; plural noun: posse comitatus

informal

a group of people who have a common characteristic, occupation, or purpose.

"he pompously led around a posse of medical students"

A lot of words aren't racist inherently. The word "ape" isn't racist alone. But, it certainly is when you call Michelle Obama one. The word "thug" just means violent criminal, but the people calling Richard Sherman one knew what the hell they were saying. That muthafucka knew what he was saying and would never think of calling a group of white businessmen a posse.

Exactly. People either are really stupid or like playing stupid just to argue. Phil was talking shit disrespectfully with racial undertones then copping passive aggressive pleas like crackers do. But since he coached Jordan niggas acting like he being wronged

 

[aneed123]

Phils point plain and simple was Lebron feels like he should get special privileges.

Phil has coached MJ, Kobe, Shaq, & Rodman but sees what Lebron is doing as outside the norm.

This happens when u are called King James since junior high

So why the fuck he ain't say it how u posted? He wanna say posse and be condescending.