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Itsallright
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rip.dilla;5980660 said:Itsallright;5980636 said:Magna carta is establishing new rules that will limit the king power.
The king here is corporate music world. New rules are internet. They limit the power of corporate companies that usually play the link between artists and fans/consumers.
The internet has been more of a curse than blessing to the music industry (business wise) in the form of piracy. For all the innovation of this album with Samsung, its still gonna leak online.
JayZ is as "corporate" as they come. So like @tompetrez3 said is he liberator or tyrant?
If it was not for Internet, many young artist would not be able to share their music.
Jay z has a corporate business but is an independent artist.
What's happening now is what happened to Tapes back in the late 90s except that labels are not more in the picture. You just need to get a buzz on internet and get a platform to sell your music from.
Just look at mac miller and macklemore or whatever his name is.
Labels are not necessary any more. You just need a buzz and good timing, you need to learn how to market your brand.
Itsallright;5980666 said:If it was not for Internet, many young artist would not be able to share their music.
Jay z has a corporate business but is an independent artist.
What's happening now is what happened to Tapes back in the late 90s except that labels are not more in the picture. You just need to get a buzz on internet and get a platform to sell your music from.
Just look at mac miller and macklemore or whatever his name is.
Labels are not necessary any more. You just need a buzz and good timing, you need to learn how to market your brand.
You've made valid points more especially buzz for new artistes ..
Fact of the matter though is of all the niggas here praising and hailng Jigga, only about 20% will actually cop that album. The rest will freely download
Afterall what's the point of copping when you got it saved on a hard drive?
Baw$3$mok3.JR
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tompetrez3;5980081 said:BlackGerald;5980014 said:tompetrez3;5979956 said:Where do these leaked lyrics tie into the Magna Carta concept? Do you Jigga warriors even know what the Magna Carta is? The album title sounds like some shit Bono just taught him because is using the Magna Carta term way out of contex in order to sound deep. What in the fuck does oceans and 1988 drug references have to do with a religious pursuit of liberty and justice for the people?
bitch do you even know what the magna carta is?
The Magna Carta is a proclamation to limit power to kings and queens in England. Jay z said on the commercial that he trying to control the Internet and have rules for it like a King. Which one is it? liberator or tyrant. The shit don't tie in conceptually at all. Jay z just taking dumb ass niggas like you on a ride thinking he is some kind of scholar when he dont know what the fuck he talking about himself
Nigga Jay is a rapper, we're expecting music. What the fuck Ya obsessive ass babbling about.
Maximilyan
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Niggas hate Jay so much they will be blinded by obvious intentions in favor of some elaborate plot.
He calls it magna carta because he aims to limit the powers of the record labels, distributors etc. Who are the kings and queens of the music biz.
Jay is not good at evoking deep emotions. However his concepts and the ideas are profound, he just often struggles to execute. That has always been his weakness as an emcee.
That being said, judging by what we've seen so far im confident that everyone who isnt a ramoant hater will enjoy this album.
He calls it magna carta because he aims to limit the powers of the record labels, distributors etc. Who are the kings and queens of the music biz.
Jay is not good at evoking deep emotions. However his concepts and the ideas are profound, he just often struggles to execute. That has always been his weakness as an emcee.
That being said, judging by what we've seen so far im confident that everyone who isnt a ramoant hater will enjoy this album.
Itsallright
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rip.dilla;5980680 said:Itsallright;5980666 said:If it was not for Internet, many young artist would not be able to share their music.
Jay z has a corporate business but is an independent artist.
What's happening now is what happened to Tapes back in the late 90s except that labels are not more in the picture. You just need to get a buzz on internet and get a platform to sell your music from.
Just look at mac miller and macklemore or whatever his name is.
Labels are not necessary any more. You just need a buzz and good timing, you need to learn how to market your brand.
You've made valid points more especially buzz for new artistes ..
Fact of the matter though is of all the niggas here praising and hailng Jigga, only about 20% will actually cop that album. The rest will freely download
Afterall what's the point of copping when you got it saved on a hard drive?
You are right and that's the reason why CDs will become like Vynils soon. Futur marketing in the music business will essentially rely on new technology such as cloud computing and electronic data.
nillerthekid
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Maximilyan;5980770 said:He calls it magna carta because he aims to limit the powers of the record labels, distributors etc. Who are the kings and queens of the music biz.
by giving all the power to another big corporation? how will anything change, it's just gonna be another "evil" running the industry then
Maximilyan
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What power? We dont know the ins and outs of the deal. But did they (samsung) have any creative influence, did they impose any time constraints on the album release dates?
There are many things a conventional lable will do to affect, control, and restrict artists. It would seem that this is not the case in this deal.
In life and im business its difficult to do everything yourself. An issue only arises when you're rely on someone/thing that is exploiting you or limitting the value of your product.
Niccas on here crucifying Jay for trying something new. What they should be doing is praising him.
There are many things a conventional lable will do to affect, control, and restrict artists. It would seem that this is not the case in this deal.
In life and im business its difficult to do everything yourself. An issue only arises when you're rely on someone/thing that is exploiting you or limitting the value of your product.
Niccas on here crucifying Jay for trying something new. What they should be doing is praising him.
ericb4prez
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hov can technically make it look like he cutting out the record labels but he himself owns a label what about real indie artist who need a distribution deal, you think itunes isnt taking a cut to put a nigga album out digitally there is no cutting out the middle man
Maximilyan;5980814 said:Niccas on here crucifying Jay for trying something new. What they should be doing is praising him.
All praises to JAYHOVA . .
nillerthekid
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Maximilyan;5980814 said:What power? We dont know the ins and outs of the deal. But did they (samsung) have any creative influence, did they impose any time constraints on the album release dates?
There are many things a conventional lable will do to affect, control, and restrict artists. It would seem that this is not the case in this deal.
In life and im business its difficult to do everything yourself. An issue only arises when you're rely on someone/thing that is exploiting you or limitting the value of your product.
Niccas on here crucifying Jay for trying something new. What they should be doing is praising him.
so you think Samsung gave him a 20m deal simply because they like his music? I'm just not seeing that big a difference between a conventional label backing a album release, and a electronic giant doing the same.
You're right, we don't know the ins and outs, but believing they have no control at all over the product they are backing is simply naive
Maximilyan
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I clearly said "it would seem".
Neither of us know what whats. We can only guess. My point is that im sure most artists would like a little more freedom for their art.
This may provide that. When you're navigating uncharted waters, its trial and error. You're already declaring this pointless based on your limitted knowledge, whereas I am simply saying its a good thing hes trying something new. Not that its definitely tje answer.
Neither of us know what whats. We can only guess. My point is that im sure most artists would like a little more freedom for their art.
This may provide that. When you're navigating uncharted waters, its trial and error. You're already declaring this pointless based on your limitted knowledge, whereas I am simply saying its a good thing hes trying something new. Not that its definitely tje answer.
nillerthekid
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Maximilyan;5980899 said:I clearly said "it would seem".
Neither of us know what whats. We can only guess. My point is that im sure most artists would like a little more freedom for their art.
This may provide that. When you're navigating uncharted waters, its trial and error. You're already declaring this pointless based on your limitted knowledge, whereas I am simply saying its a good thing hes trying something new. Not that its definitely tje answer.
I didn't say it was pointless, only that I'm having a tough time seeing the difference. It's still released through a big company, who most likely have a lot to say regarding things such as release date, and probably somewhat on the content. At least to the same extent a regular label would have on a guy as big as Jay.
My whole point being: What new is it Jay is doing exactly? He's still releasing an album through a major corporation, just like he always has.
The Lonious Monk
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Itsallright;5980636 said:Magna carta is establishing new rules that will limit the king power.
The king here is corporate music world. New rules are internet. They limit the power of corporate companies that usually play the link between artists and fans/consumers.
What new rules? People have been releasing music and albums through the internet for over a decade now. Hell, isn't that how Justin Bieber first got on. Sure Jay doing something like that might legitimize the movement more, but he's not establishing anything. Jay stays doing shit other people have already done and having people call him an innovator.
Maximilyan
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Lol. Im done argueing the business aspect.
Million sold before the album drops and people still want to hate.
Time for me to stop argueing with fools. At least about the business aspect. Ill only be debating the music from now.
Million sold before the album drops and people still want to hate.
Time for me to stop argueing with fools. At least about the business aspect. Ill only be debating the music from now.
Some of yall r pathetic Lol
'Magna Carta, b/c the king...and the rules...and, and, and the tyrant.' Giiit tha fuk outta here.
Yes I'm sure Jay had the 'overthrow the new rules' angle in mind, but at the end of the day it's martketing. Its wordplay on his name. Its not to be taken literal. He will not literally lead a people from opression thru music...sigh
People dont realize how much they expose themself when talkin about Jay-Z: If you expect THAT much from a man, a rapper, and put that much weight on him, you're lame. A dickrider. A herb...
'Magna Carta, b/c the king...and the rules...and, and, and the tyrant.' Giiit tha fuk outta here.
Yes I'm sure Jay had the 'overthrow the new rules' angle in mind, but at the end of the day it's martketing. Its wordplay on his name. Its not to be taken literal. He will not literally lead a people from opression thru music...sigh
People dont realize how much they expose themself when talkin about Jay-Z: If you expect THAT much from a man, a rapper, and put that much weight on him, you're lame. A dickrider. A herb...
nillerthekid
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Maximilyan;5980995 said:Lol. Im done argueing the business aspect.
Million sold before the album drops and people still want to hate.
Time for me to stop argueing with fools. At least about the business aspect. Ill only be debating the music from now.
but can you really separate the two?
It's not hating. Jay-Z got himself a 20m deal? Cool, good for him. But people are acting like this is some sort of game changer, thats gonna completely change the way music is being released, and I'm juts not seeing how this will affect the end result in any way. At the end of the day the artist still gonna have someone they gotta answer to.
Lebong James
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jay is just tricking his fans into thinking he'll drop something worth while...again
