Jay-Z Almost Ended 2 pac's Career: DJ Clark Kent Reveals Jay-Z Recorded A 2Pac Diss

[bck145]

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For anybody that really wants to know what the vibe was like in New York, I posted Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape in another thread. You'd have to listen to the entire tape to have anything intelligent to say.

If you haven't heard Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape you can't really comment on the climate of Hip Hop in 1996. Niggaz in New York were copping mix tapes. CDs and tapes weren't really selling.
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...-96-addressing-the-pac-west-coast-beef#latest

new York was no longer the heart of hip hop in 96

and that mixtape is trash

Wtf are you talking about bruh? New York ain't lose its stranglehold on hip hop till the mid 2000's

the west coast dominated hip hop in the 90s. from oakland to la the heart of hip hop was definitely in cali throughout the decade. and when the west started to slowly decline the south began its ascent and we took over. after that the whole idea of costal dominance began to fade. the culture had become so ubiquitous that no coast could truly claim the crown. from oakland, to houston, to detroit to pittsburgh every city had a well established scene with at least 1 well respected artist. the culture is too big and generates too much money for any 1 coast to claim supremacy. and with the internet anybody from anywhere can put their music out and have it go global. its not like it was in the early 90s when you only 2 choices. hip hop is everywhere and no coast can make a true claim to the throne now b/c the throne is global

This is what I mean by looking at the whole picture and being objective. The West was on top til the mid 90's but NY was still strong and producing more legends and more classics than any other city. Then from 1997 to about 06 NY was producing the numbers and classics.

The West just recovered in 2013, with 1999 and 50 giving the Game life being the exceptions.

nyc was trash between big and dmx. '97 was the midst of the dark ages for nyc unless you liked that puffy, mase, jigga, shiny suit bullshit. it wasnt until dmx dropped that anything out of nyc was even worth listening to. outside of 50's run who else had a nationwide run of L free success?

are you nuts? Bad Boy dominated 1997. Did you not see the reception the Badboy reunion just got at the B.E.T awards.

The dark ages:

Nov 97- Feb 98

Smh, clowns.

nyc was trash between big and dmx. '97 was the midst of the dark ages for nyc unless you liked that puffy, mase, jigga, shiny suit bullshit. it wasnt until dmx dropped that anything out of nyc was even worth listening to. outside of 50's run who else had a nationwide run of L free success?

gets ur facts right dumbass. big died in march of 97 and even though x dropped in 98 he had to cut through all the nyc trash that was in the way to get his shine on. the death of nyc started in 95 and dmx didnt take over until late 98 into 99. thats a 4 year run of COMPLETE AND TOTAL TRASH!!!

the only ppl who disagree with this are people who liked that gay ass jiggy shit. the type of ppl who will tell you with a straight face that mase was dope. the same mase thats getting his fag ass roasted as we speak in a separate thread right down the block. only fuck boys like you vouched for that jiggy bullshit. real n!gg@s laughed and moved on to real artist nd real music. ur fag ass opinion cant be taken seriously.

You're so stupid and out the loop. Big died in March 97 but he had chart topping singles all throughout 97. Big was getting play like he was alive.

I pointed out who stupid you are that now you're pushing back the year to 95. Ok, I don't have a problem making up look stupid again.

1996 Nas dropped IWW which was the biggest selling album from a solo artist not named snoop and All eyes on me just a few months prior. How is NY Hip Hop dead in 95-til 98 when it had it's must successful solo album in years, lets not forget the Fugees who sold even more than Nas?

Hahaha wow that might be the weakest shit in this thread so far

 

[supergangster]

never seen anyone in ic history thats more bitter than bck145

 

[bck145]

never seen anyone in ic history thats more bitter than bck145

How exactly am I bitter

 

[supergangster]

You suck Tupac cock very well he is good but you 're talking as if he were a god. If I says something a little bad about him , you talk about how skinny I am, that I should work on my life. Are not you ashamed ? You have no ability to deal with your emotions , it is disgraceful in my opinion

 

[bck145]

You suck Tupac cock very well he is good but you 're talking as if he were a god. If I says something a little bad about him , you talk about how skinny I am, that I should work on my life. Are not you ashamed ? You have no ability to deal with your emotions , it is disgraceful in my opinion

Haha yeah ok bud, your in every thread taking face shot from nas and prodigy, you dream about going skiing on them

And I call you out because your fake and just an internet tough guy wearing where's waldo. Clothes...stay in your lane

 

[gemini86]

You suck Tupac cock very well he is good but you 're talking as if he were a god. If I says something a little bad about him , you talk about how skinny I am, that I should work on my life. Are not you ashamed ? You have no ability to deal with your emotions , it is disgraceful in my opinion

Haha yeah ok bud, your in every thread taking face shot from nas and prodigy, you dream about going skiing on them

And I call you out because your fake and just an internet tough guy wearing where's waldo. Clothes...stay in your lane

lol @supergangster is a known troll. hes a joke and is not to be taken seriously. we all on this forum and we try to give our opinions and have debates but hes in joke mode all the time. i think his life aint shit so he has to be a clown on the net for attention. DOnt argue with clowns. theyre just supposed to make u laugh and thats it. hes not adding anything to the debate, forum, or even in life in general. let him be.

but bottom line people cant think that jay couldve ended pacs career in 96 lol

 

[Turfaholic]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

 

[texasdaking88]

The biggest highlights of jay z career is losing to Nas and getting dissed by Pac. The biggest achievements he got on his resume is signing Nas and being Beyonce Baby daddy.

" And shout to all my boss bitches wifing niggas " - Drake

LMAO.. How can anyone think this is true???? Only on the reason...

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

I dont understand that logic it makes zero sense. when has anybody ever stopped someone else from shining?

This aint basketball where only one team wins at a time. Pac and Biggie werent the Bulls. It was room for everybody in the 90s and everybody was selling records.

With that logic DMX wouldn't have blown up if Pac and Big werent alive? Mind you he didnt drop his debut til 98 but he was signed and dropping music way before that.

"Wayne wouldnt have blown up if Juvie was still on Cash Money" FOH!

When its yo time its yo time and aint nobody got shit to do with it.

 

[MR.CJ]

Blah blah blah

 

[_God_]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

 

[Mr 202]

If jay such a real dude how come he aint ride with his day ones and still have roc-a-fella? He shitted on everybody the first chance he got.

#SnakeMove

What a dumb thing to say....... Ride with your day one if they dragging you backwards on the strength of????? Keeping it real?? Stop thinking backwards bro. I guess this is why Jay is where he's at today because he's not thinking like you.. Meanwhile did you grow up with him? Do you know his day ones? Did you hear dead presidents from reasonable doubt? Jays 1st album that came out 96 "cant stop I from drinking Mai tais with tyty" then 13 years later he told you on his biggest single ever "still sipping Mai tais with tyty" and you can't connect the dots? if you really understand lyrics you will understand that he's saying I'm still with my day ones... You heard about Emory Jones? Bee high? Bleak? Etc. they are his day ones and he made sure they are all situated...check Rihanna's album credit even Neyos, you will see "tyty" listed somewhere there. It can't get no realer than that my nigga... Maybe you want him to always Show up in court with B for beans??

 

[Mr 202]

U stupid as nigga!! Jay albums was goin platinum, everybody & they momma was wearing rocawear & throwing up the diamond.. the nigga tour sold out stadiums.. that's how jay brought ny back u dumb cocksucker!!

I grow up throw all that shit stupid muthafucka!! Fuck u mean what I'm talking about? Niggas was callin jay the king of ny

More like DMX brought back NY. But really it was a combination of Ruff Ryders, Roc-A-Fella, and Murder Inc. (Ja Rule)

Jay-Z was the showman but X was the star. And Ja Rule was the "pop act" so to say.

I was there too. Don't make it sound like it was all Jay. Alotta Niggaz wasn't even really fuckin' with Jay like that even tho he had some cool shit here n there. Jay took some "getting used to" for a while. He didn't even really come into his own until "The Black Album". That's not to say people weren't warmed up to him by then but he wasn't Jay-Z Jay-Z until Beyonoce' started lacing him up... and ironically he used a 2Pac song to help him get there

Beyoncé started lacing him up because he was JAYZ.......remove Jayz from Beyoncé and she's just a pop star with hit records, great dance moves many failed relationships and not as solid.check Brittany spears,Rihanna etc. the business woman she is today is JayZ, the Longevity is JayZ the branding etcetera are things Jay taught her.she didn't go the Whitney route or Madonna route because she has somebody in her life named Jayz... There's a reason she's stupidly loyal to him.she helped him too.y'all niggas talk like they on some meek and nicki shit..... Jay sold millions of records in his own record company ,was already popular and a multi millionaire before B.they both perfect for each other they both bring a lot to their table

 

[Mr 202]

The biggest highlights of jay z career is losing to Nas and getting dissed by Pac. The biggest achievements he got on his resume is signing Nas and being Beyonce Baby daddy.

" And shout to all my boss bitches wifing niggas " - Drake

I laugh every time somebody says he lost to Nas... Did he really lose to Nas?? If any man wants to be honest would you rather be the recipient of ether or takeover? I mean I can take been called fat lips camel, gay, old, biggie rhymes stealer,etc but can I really handle my enemy fucking my girl,my daughters mother while we still together?? No man wants that. Plus "yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong,you made it a hot line I made it a hot song and YOU AINT GETTING NO COIN,I know who I paid searchlight publishing. I used your voice and won't pay you... I'm a fan of both rappers but if truth be told Nas ain't been the same in my eyes as a man since take over. Jay took something outta Nas with those lines... Y'all saw biggies reaction in the notorious movie when he heard pac fucked faith and that was a movie y'all know his guys won't make him look that weak.you don't recover from that type of situation,there's no winning in it

 

[Rampage12]

The biggest highlights of jay z career is losing to Nas and getting dissed by Pac. The biggest achievements he got on his resume is signing Nas and being Beyonce Baby daddy.

" And shout to all my boss bitches wifing niggas " - Drake

I laugh every time somebody says he lost to Nas... Did he really lose to Nas?? If any man wants to be honest would you rather be the recipient of ether or takeover? I mean I can take been called fat lips camel, gay, old, biggie rhymes stealer,etc but can I really handle my enemy fucking my girl,my daughters mother while we still together?? No man wants that. Plus "yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong,you made it a hot line I made it a hot song and YOU AINT GETTING NO COIN,I know who I paid searchlight publishing. I used your voice and won't pay you... I'm a fan of both rappers but if truth be told Nas ain't been the same in my eyes as a man since take over. Jay took something outta Nas with those lines... Y'all saw biggies reaction in the notorious movie when he heard pac fucked faith and that was a movie y'all know his guys won't make him look that weak.you don't recover from that type of situation,there's no winning in it

No dog in this fight, but Notorious was a movie, biopics make shit up all the time/embellish shit for artistic achievement. Look at The Doors movie, every other member besides the obviously deceased Jim Morrisson said that movie was a crock of shit.

 

[Turfaholic]

I just wanna say.....

I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life

Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then

False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.

 

[PapaDoc223]

killing him on wax ≠ stopping his industry momentum

Folk

you stated this, but who is hearing this record??

When you got a nigga doing 5 million in 2 months off 2 videos..and I'm not even counting how he's all on your TV screen and radio..Who is really checking for an unknown nigga that's making a diss record that most have never heard of??

Niggas down south hadn't even heard of Jay-Z in 96 to be real about the whole situation..

and only Queens niggas heard of 50 Cent when he dropped "Your life's on the line"...

Only South Bronx niggas heard of KRS when he dropped the Bridge is Over...

etc etc

there is the culture and there is the industry...

A lot of people are rap fans morseo hip-hop fans @Brother_Five so the culture is not taken as serious

Big brother Cain, you was around at that time...folk you should know that if a nigga wasn't on 2pac's platform..or in some type of light, a diss record aim'd at him was falling on deaf ears...

The only, only person at that time that could have made a little noise would have been Biggie himself or Mobb Deep, Nas etc..those who were 'known', none of them D lister ass rappers would have made any noise..

.

Lol Cube could've went at Pac(not saying they had beef or he would have) and shut him down. Cube had more fans and was selling as well. Big could've went at Pac but Puff shut that down. Nas like you said could've went at dude as well but they handled their business. Wutang as well but they squashed their little beef too.

Pac had the Deathrow machine behind him. Niggas moreso feared Suge than Pac. We're not going to act like rapper's wasn't selling when Pac popped on the scene. Him going to jail and going at cops made him (in)famous. That made niggas care about his music more. To say he was a lyrical killer on the mic was

Oh and 95% of the niggas on this board never listened to a Pac album before MATW so I don't respect their opinions.

@Knock_Twice

And the Deathrow machine had nothing to do with niggas going at Pac..They were a record company just like any record company that was out folk, Them nigga just had the biggest rapper at the time that was tearing through shit..

All these ppl Pac went at and you mean to tell me NOT one was man enough to make a song about this nigga?? and yall saying oh they could've did this and that now??

Hit em up came out june 1996, that dude was dead three months later. It wasn't like you could go run to studio and have an album out in an hour and get it around the world, shit took time and a real studio, not sitting at home on a computer, to make a song.

On top of that ppl did make songs and more would have come out, had he not went and got himself shot and killed. Then ppl pulled their songs from albums out of respect.

In this pac tale y'all keep telling you act as if it was years and years of being on ppls necks. He came out of jail and was just making songs and subliminals then the interviews in vibe got things bubbling, then hit em up came out, he really started going in heavy, and then he died. Trust me those fall albums from east coast artists would have been going at that dude crazy. When have you known nyc to go run and cower from a nigga?

Nas and them stepped to him at the awards, so what you mean ppl was scared and shook? You guys don't have the full story, you had three months of pac going ham, then you have death. And his actions were leading that way one way or another. There is no "if he lived" cause he couldn't have. Not with his reckless behavior at that time.

To paint him as some wild cowbot that had the whole rap world shook is disingenuous. It's sad tis is the pac that is most remembered, because it was self destructive and foolish and led to two of the biggest rappers getting gunned down, yet ppl worship that dumb shit as if he was doing good things.

The best pac was pre deathrow, me against the world, imo when he was taking it to them white folks politically, talkibg about uplifting communities and showing love for all black ppl. That's the shit that had him being a hip hop bob marley and that's the shit that touched ppl.

Gtfoh with giving high praise to the paranoid gangsta pac for "shutting everyone down." Also its unfair that ppl count the disses on makaveli album as wins when he was already dead at its release. How can you respond to a dead nigga? But that solidified "oh shit he killing them" in a lot of ppls minds.

Like I said I love pac, I love biggie, I love hiphop. I accept the good with the bad, but y'all can't rewrite the history.

Pretty much Pac brought his death to himself. Had he didnt died in Sept 96 the East Coast and West Coast beef would have gotten worse. 91-94 Pac was the best. I like the militant Pac in Strictly For My N.I.G.G.A.S. my fave Pac album.

 

[Neva_Change]

I'm a fan of both rappers but if truth be told Nas ain't been the same in my eyes as a man since take over. Jay took something outta Nas with those lines... Y'all saw biggies reaction in the notorious movie when he heard pac fucked faith and that was a movie y'all know his guys won't make him look that weak.you don't recover from that type of situation,there's no winning in it

What I always found so funny about Takeover is that is was supposed to finish nas and make his "career come to a end"... but it backfired spectacularly and instead revitalized nas' career. If jay used all that ammo about his baby moms and dissed nas after he released the worst album of his career (nastradamus), and still couldn't bury him..... what makes people think a 96 jay could do serious damage to Pac who was in the prime of his life ? Death Row back then as a whole were too strong and too powerful.

 

[TheRealness91]

Enough of this young nigga revisionist history.

Im older than most on here and even i was only 14 when this went down

Pac was not being stopped. Period.

And definitely not by just 'raps' bc if that was the case' Drop a gem on em' would have done damage. It didn't. At ALL. In b4 'yo low key that track. ..'. Well forget a low key Pac was Madonna famous , and back then, with no internet, when niggas said a song or diss was underground. ...nigga ir was LITERALLY, UNDER GROUND. Basement bodegas and low level boorleggers.

So just like when Meek's homie dissed Drake and actually had bars but no one cared, same thing. If anything was gon happen it HAD to be Biggie.

PLUS Pac literally felt his life was in danger, was literally droppin bodies behind all this (his Bloods vs Puff's crips, im not condoning this).

Jay z was not matching that intensity. He could not see Pac. Stop. And im a current Jay-Z' stan'. Its called objectivity

That was big jake from Campenella park that got killed.

 

[Mr 202]

I'm a fan of both rappers but if truth be told Nas ain't been the same in my eyes as a man since take over. Jay took something outta Nas with those lines... Y'all saw biggies reaction in the notorious movie when he heard pac fucked faith and that was a movie y'all know his guys won't make him look that weak.you don't recover from that type of situation,there's no winning in it

What I always found so funny about Takeover is that is was supposed to finish nas and make his "career come to a end"... but it backfired spectacularly and instead revitalized nas' career. If jay used all that ammo about his baby moms and dissed nas after he released the worst album of his career (nastradamus), and still couldn't bury him..... what makes people think a 96 jay could do serious damage to Pac who was in the prime of his life ? Death Row back then as a whole were too strong and too powerful.

I never said Jay could have done any type of damage to pac,at that time pac was like LBJ on his way to a dunk, no body can stay in his way if you do you will see yourself on the floor.pac was too famous and powerful,no type of diss record would have damaged pac that's why they used bullets no rapper on the east wanted a part of him,people talk about goat diss records and with due respect to no Vaseline Hit them up had a whole coast shook,hit up had everybody inside their houses peeping from the window...I'm a Jay fan but Jayz could've never done any type of damage to pac.i also feel NY rappers knew pac was on suicide mission with the way he was moving