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Neva_Change;8290251 said:Mr 202;8290162 said:I'm a fan of both rappers but if truth be told Nas ain't been the same in my eyes as a man since take over. Jay took something outta Nas with those lines... Y'all saw biggies reaction in the notorious movie when he heard pac fucked faith and that was a movie y'all know his guys won't make him look that weak.you don't recover from that type of situation,there's no winning in it
What I always found so funny about Takeover is that is was supposed to finish nas and make his "career come to a end"... but it backfired spectacularly and instead revitalized nas' career. If jay used all that ammo about his baby moms and dissed nas after he released the worst album of his career (nastradamus), and still couldn't bury him..... what makes people think a 96 jay could do serious damage to Pac who was in the prime of his life ? Death Row back then as a whole were too strong and too powerful.
Mr 202;8290162 said:murdap;8288758 said:The biggest highlights of jay z career is losing to Nas and getting dissed by Pac. The biggest achievements he got on his resume is signing Nas and being Beyonce Baby daddy.
" And shout to all my boss bitches wifing niggas " - Drake
I laugh every time somebody says he lost to Nas... Did he really lose to Nas?? If any man wants to be honest would you rather be the recipient of ether or takeover? I mean I can take been called fat lips camel, gay, old, biggie rhymes stealer,etc but can I really handle my enemy fucking my girl,my daughters mother while we still together?? No man wants that. Plus "yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong,you made it a hot line I made it a hot song and YOU AINT GETTING NO COIN,I know who I paid searchlight publishing. I used your voice and won't pay you... I'm a fan of both rappers but if truth be told Nas ain't been the same in my eyes as a man since take over. Jay took something outta Nas with those lines... Y'all saw biggies reaction in the notorious movie when he heard pac fucked faith and that was a movie y'all know his guys won't make him look that weak.you don't recover from that type of situation,there's no winning in it
Mr 202;8290280 said:I never said Jay could have done any type of damage to pac,at that time pac was like LBJ on his way to a dunk, no body can stay in his way if you do you will see yourself on the floor.pac was too famous and powerful,no type of diss record would have damaged pac that's why they used bullets no rapper on the east wanted a part of him,people talk about goat diss records and with due respect to no Vaseline Hit them up had a whole coast shook,hit up had everybody inside their houses peeping from the window...I'm a Jay fan but Jayz could've never done any type of damage to pac.i also feel NY rappers knew pac was on suicide mission with the way he was moving
Mr 202;8290280 said:Neva_Change;8290251 said:Mr 202;8290162 said:I'm a fan of both rappers but if truth be told Nas ain't been the same in my eyes as a man since take over. Jay took something outta Nas with those lines... Y'all saw biggies reaction in the notorious movie when he heard pac fucked faith and that was a movie y'all know his guys won't make him look that weak.you don't recover from that type of situation,there's no winning in it
What I always found so funny about Takeover is that is was supposed to finish nas and make his "career come to a end"... but it backfired spectacularly and instead revitalized nas' career. If jay used all that ammo about his baby moms and dissed nas after he released the worst album of his career (nastradamus), and still couldn't bury him..... what makes people think a 96 jay could do serious damage to Pac who was in the prime of his life ? Death Row back then as a whole were too strong and too powerful.
I never said Jay could have done any type of damage to pac,at that time pac was like LBJ on his way to a dunk, no body can stay in his way if you do you will see yourself on the floor.pac was too famous and powerful,no type of diss record would have damaged pac that's why they used bullets no rapper on the east wanted a part of him,people talk about goat diss records and with due respect to no Vaseline Hit them up had a whole coast shook,hit up had everybody inside their houses peeping from the window...I'm a Jay fan but Jayz could've never done any type of damage to pac.i also feel NY rappers knew pac was on suicide mission with the way he was moving
DR. JEK;8290343 said:Mr 202;8290162 said:murdap;8288758 said:The biggest highlights of jay z career is losing to Nas and getting dissed by Pac. The biggest achievements he got on his resume is signing Nas and being Beyonce Baby daddy.
" And shout to all my boss bitches wifing niggas " - Drake
I laugh every time somebody says he lost to Nas... Did he really lose to Nas?? If any man wants to be honest would you rather be the recipient of ether or takeover? I mean I can take been called fat lips camel, gay, old, biggie rhymes stealer,etc but can I really handle my enemy fucking my girl,my daughters mother while we still together?? No man wants that. Plus "yea I sampled your voice you was using it wrong,you made it a hot line I made it a hot song and YOU AINT GETTING NO COIN,I know who I paid searchlight publishing. I used your voice and won't pay you... I'm a fan of both rappers but if truth be told Nas ain't been the same in my eyes as a man since take over. Jay took something outta Nas with those lines... Y'all saw biggies reaction in the notorious movie when he heard pac fucked faith and that was a movie y'all know his guys won't make him look that weak.you don't recover from that type of situation,there's no winning in it
I dont know if its the way you worded it bruh or not but im having trouble with the bolded
First of all, how can you say it took something outta Nas? When it comes to on wax i strongly disagree wit that or else Stillmatic woulda be something worse than Nastradamous, but Stillmatic was the opposite, you got a rejuvenated Wholehearted effort from Nas.
Secondly The fact that you brought up Jay fucking Nas BM means you lumped super ugly wit the takeover because remember Jay just aluded to "did you know what with you know whom" in the takeover ......but lots of fans didn't get that until he came out wit super ugly and by then Jays takeover had already lost. Pac told Big he fucked his wife in his first initial dis within the first few bars, he didn't give a cryptic clue and then wait till bomb first came out see the difference?
And last off, like i said, i have a hard time thinking Nas lost when it was Jay Z on the radio sounding like a 13 year old girl who got grounded by her parents and cant go to the school dance, voice crackin n shit and everything. See Nas stepped up and got better in the mist of that shit and dropped a classic right after the diss. I was always a believer that the Takeover did far more damage to Mobb Deep than Nas because they was the ones that really fell flat on they faces. They dropped a dud with "Crawling" in which maybe you can correlate with the infamy weed plate. You cant say they happen to fall from grace that hard because unlike Nastradamous, They was coming off Murda Musik which was a classic so that shit HAD TO been Jay effecting them
_Lefty;8290394 said:In 1996 I was a Scarface and Geto Boys/Rap-A-Lot fan, When pac was killin shit with all eyes on me, I was totally tuned into the Geto Boys Ressurection Album. I didn't even know there were other Pac albums outside of All Eyes on me until after he died. I've still never listened to AEOM all the way through. Jay made noise with ain't no nigga, but he was just coming out and Pac had the world hanging on everything he did. We knew who Jay was, but pac was like a ghetto will smith in his stardom at that point. He was even bigger than will smith because this was prior to independence day where will took off. Niggas felt pac, bitches loved pac, and I could argue he had love from the most white kids ever before eminem came, which took him to another stratosphere. He was with death row who was the premier record label in the game at the time. There was nothing that a nigga coulda did to stop that train(except the obvious). Pac had the ear of the masses, sometimes, it don't matter how much substance you have, once a nigga got the crowd, it's a wrap.
I remember when Pac died, I remember it like september 11th, it was a fucked up day and one of those "Where were you when you found out" moments in life. Niggas was cryin like they really lost a homie, I remember this chick called me and she was talkin about how much she cried when he died. I didn't really care for dudes music all like that, but I was outside my aunts apartment sittin on the porch when she said it, and I remember having a sinking feeling like I lost a distant cousin or somethin. It was fucked up. They premiered that niggas video on channel 4(nbc) like he was fuckin elvis. By sheer numbers and demographics, eminem should have been a bigger artist than tupac ever was. I'm sure I could make a compelling argument that pac was the biggest hip hop star to ever live.
Jay could have dropped ether and hit em up quality records back to back and I'm pretty sure it would have been like throwing a pebble at a freight train. The hip hop community would have taken notice, but the masses would have overwhelmed them.
Jay and face are my favorite rappers by the way, i'm being totally objective. Pac was unstoppable.
_Lefty;8290394 said:In 1996 I was a Scarface and Geto Boys/Rap-A-Lot fan, When pac was killin shit with all eyes on me, I was totally tuned into the Geto Boys Ressurection Album. I didn't even know there were other Pac albums outside of All Eyes on me until after he died. I've still never listened to AEOM all the way through. Jay made noise with ain't no nigga, but he was just coming out and Pac had the world hanging on everything he did. We knew who Jay was, but pac was like a ghetto will smith in his stardom at that point. He was even bigger than will smith because this was prior to independence day where will took off. Niggas felt pac, bitches loved pac, and I could argue he had love from the most white kids ever before eminem came, which took him to another stratosphere. He was with death row who was the premier record label in the game at the time. There was nothing that a nigga coulda did to stop that train(except the obvious). Pac had the ear of the masses, sometimes, it don't matter how much substance you have, once a nigga got the crowd, it's a wrap.
I remember when Pac died, I remember it like september 11th, it was a fucked up day and one of those "Where were you when you found out" moments in life. Niggas was cryin like they really lost a homie, I remember this chick called me and she was talkin about how much she cried when he died. I didn't really care for dudes music all like that, but I was outside my aunts apartment sittin on the porch when she said it, and I remember having a sinking feeling like I lost a distant cousin or somethin. It was fucked up. They premiered that niggas video on channel 4(nbc) like he was fuckin elvis. By sheer numbers and demographics, eminem should have been a bigger artist than tupac ever was. I'm sure I could make a compelling argument that pac was the biggest hip hop star to ever live.
Jay could have dropped ether and hit em up quality records back to back and I'm pretty sure it would have been like throwing a pebble at a freight train. The hip hop community would have taken notice, but the masses would have overwhelmed them.
Jay and face are my favorite rappers by the way, i'm being totally objective. Pac was unstoppable.
I Self Lord & Master;8290589 said:_Lefty;8290394 said:In 1996 I was a Scarface and Geto Boys/Rap-A-Lot fan, When pac was killin shit with all eyes on me, I was totally tuned into the Geto Boys Ressurection Album. I didn't even know there were other Pac albums outside of All Eyes on me until after he died. I've still never listened to AEOM all the way through. Jay made noise with ain't no nigga, but he was just coming out and Pac had the world hanging on everything he did. We knew who Jay was, but pac was like a ghetto will smith in his stardom at that point. He was even bigger than will smith because this was prior to independence day where will took off. Niggas felt pac, bitches loved pac, and I could argue he had love from the most white kids ever before eminem came, which took him to another stratosphere. He was with death row who was the premier record label in the game at the time. There was nothing that a nigga coulda did to stop that train(except the obvious). Pac had the ear of the masses, sometimes, it don't matter how much substance you have, once a nigga got the crowd, it's a wrap.
I remember when Pac died, I remember it like september 11th, it was a fucked up day and one of those "Where were you when you found out" moments in life. Niggas was cryin like they really lost a homie, I remember this chick called me and she was talkin about how much she cried when he died. I didn't really care for dudes music all like that, but I was outside my aunts apartment sittin on the porch when she said it, and I remember having a sinking feeling like I lost a distant cousin or somethin. It was fucked up. They premiered that niggas video on channel 4(nbc) like he was fuckin elvis. By sheer numbers and demographics, eminem should have been a bigger artist than tupac ever was. I'm sure I could make a compelling argument that pac was the biggest hip hop star to ever live.
Jay could have dropped ether and hit em up quality records back to back and I'm pretty sure it would have been like throwing a pebble at a freight train. The hip hop community would have taken notice, but the masses would have overwhelmed them.
Jay and face are my favorite rappers by the way, i'm being totally objective. Pac was unstoppable.
U took it back wit that one, i forgot that
PAC died nxt thing u know they playin the i aint mad at u vid on NETWORK tv
Dude jus died, n a video of him dying n chilling wit red fox in the afterlife comes out damn near immediately afterwards. Its like wtf is this shit lmao
Like i said, this shit played out like a movie, Ud have to have been there to understand that niggas aint overblown or exaggerating this shit
murdap;8288096 said:90's Music West >>>>>East
00's Music South>>>>>East
Now that i think bout it the only time Ny was buzzing with hip hop was when Pac died and that was only for a few years. East Coast had the shortest reign on top of rap of all the regions except of wack ass Midwest hip hop
themadlionsfan;8290603 said:murdap;8288096 said:90's Music West >>>>>East
00's Music South>>>>>East
Now that i think bout it the only time Ny was buzzing with hip hop was when Pac died and that was only for a few years. East Coast had the shortest reign on top of rap of all the regions except of wack ass Midwest hip hop
This is one of the dumbest posters in the thread.
Turfaholic;8290206 said:_God_;8290097 said:Turfaholic;8289873 said:I just wanna say.....
I didn't know who Jay-Z was til Hardknock Life
Your most likely not in an area important to hip hop then
False we got BET and MTV just like everybody else. Gasp even radio too. I think I can speak for almost everybody on the westcoast when I say Jay-Z was pretty unknown til he went pop with Hardknock Life.