Jay-Z Almost Ended 2 pac's Career: DJ Clark Kent Reveals Jay-Z Recorded A 2Pac Diss

[S2J]

And lets adress the thought that Wu Tang or Cube woulda got himl

First, Wu Tang. When has Wu Tang ever engaged in mainstream rap beef. Not street shit, but rap. Ok, so thats one.

2, Who in the Wu? A group song with all the niggas on it? Yea thats likely. So then it goes back to you had to be HEAVY to box vs Pac. So eho was the only individual star on Wu? Meth

So Method Man was gon do enough to 'body' Pac, lyrically and perception wise? Yea ok

Cube. By 1996 Cube already did Friday and Higher Learning in 95. ...and Tresspass and other shit---By 1996 Cube was already a actor 1st and rapper 2nd. Again, thru 1996 lens, not 2016 lens, Cube was already viewed as 'oh, ok, hes not a rapper anymore he doin movies and that lil weird Westside Connection shit' . And , again, this is looking at perception and fame and youthful energy and how things worked in 1995-96. Street cred mattered. Cube handed that over. Cube was retired

AND with Friday so recent and everyone's favorite movie, that wasnt Ice Cube that was CRAIG. Craig wasnt bodying locked up, spitting in cameras, hothead, death row Pac

Biggie was literally the only dude big enough to box. And he didnt want it

 

[Louis Devinear]

If you wasn't there in 96 please don't comment on this topic.

Speaking from a NYC standpoint Jay was not ending pac career. Jay diss would have made a little noise NY wise but that's as far as it went. To be honest NYC niggas and emcees used to ignore that nigga Pac. aside from keep ha head up and I get around, musically that nigga was trash compared to the shit that was popping in 94-96.

To be quite frank, New York City dgaf about pac. I can't speak for the rest of the nation only where I grew up. To me when pac started dissing big and everyone else, to me, it felt like that empowered other cities and regions that didn't like NYC music or people to side with pac and voice their opinion on some shit they hardly know anything about.

Pac did a lot of shit. Made a lot of enemies. Dissed a lot of niggas on records and died early. A lot of niggas didn't get the chance to respond, some didn't even bother. Not cause they was shook, some of y'all might not believe this but, people in NYC dgaf about pac.

That nigga took that bishop and birdie role and ran with it. Nigga pac knew the business, knew controversy sold. And that's what he did he sold controversy.

 

[Antwuan89]

And I love big L but yes hammer is better , he brought his whole hood on tour and paid them, literally

Big L is way better than MC Hammer.

 

[S2J]

killing him on wax ≠ stopping his industry momentum

Folk

you stated this, but who is hearing this record??

When you got a nigga doing 5 million in 2 months off 2 videos..and I'm not even counting how he's all on your TV screen and radio..Who is really checking for an unknown nigga that's making a diss record that most have never heard of??

Niggas down south hadn't even heard of Jay-Z in 96 to be real about the whole situation..

and only Queens niggas heard of 50 Cent when he dropped "Your life's on the line"...

Only South Bronx niggas heard of KRS when he dropped the Bridge is Over...

etc etc

there is the culture and there is the industry...

A lot of people are rap fans morseo hip-hop fans @Brother_Five so the culture is not taken as serious

Big brother Cain, you was around at that time...folk you should know that if a nigga wasn't on 2pac's platform..or in some type of light, a diss record aim'd at him was falling on deaf ears...

The only, only person at that time that could have made a little noise would have been Biggie himself or Mobb Deep, Nas etc..those who were 'known', none of them D lister ass rappers would have made any noise..

.

Lol Cube could've went at Pac(not saying they had beef or he would have) and shut him down. Cube had more fans and was selling as well. Big could've went at Pac but Puff shut that down. Nas like you said could've went at dude as well but they handled their business. Wutang as well but they squashed their little beef too.

Pac had the Deathrow machine behind him. Niggas moreso feared Suge than Pac. We're not going to act like rapper's wasn't selling when Pac popped on the scene. Him going to jail and going at cops made him (in)famous. That made niggas care about his music more. To say he was a lyrical killer on the mic was

Oh and 95% of the niggas on this board never listened to a Pac album before MATW so I don't respect their opinions.

@Knock_Twice

Im just catchin wind of this thread and there's 500 new, but damn this nigga @cain the worst rap OG ever . You stripped to little nigga status on music

What Pac detractors dont realize ---mostly bc they werent old enough, i have no idea this nigga's excuse- -- is it was UNHEARD OF for a top rapper, THE top rapper, to be so AGGRESSIVE on the mic

So In 2016 its so easy, and comical, to say 'Man Hit Em up was just a bunch of yellin'. Its comical. But at-that-time that was lyrical murder. Rightfully so. I was old enough to remember that, and you wasnt, hip hop wasnt, nobody was that sophisticated or bougie to be on some 'oh thats cool, but watch how i lay down these bars and REEEAALLLY get him'.

Get the fuk outta here

Drop a Gem is a perfect example bc in hindsight yea,it was dope, and in whatever bubble yall wanna opeeate from it "killed Pac", but my nigga most mfers never even HEARD that song at the time . That was a blip on the radar

So stop loking at 1996 shit thru 2016 lens. Due to Pacs energry he was untouchable rapwise.

Theres a reason Big's only direct undebateable, acknowledged shot at Pac was 'get it, 2....Pacs "

Bc of that tenacity and relentleness and fame no one wanted to or could fuck with that guy directly.

Stop reading at the bold only line niggas remember from Hit em Up is the opening bar and to say otherwise you're lying your monkey ass off ...Lol go home you're drunk.

You biased man, just admit it!

Just like if you listen to Bridge is Over in 2016 you cant capture fully how potent it was then, you cant sit here as an adult, knowing that he ended up gettin killed behind all this, and say NOW that it was light. You really lose all credibility with that

 

[lethal5]

killing him on wax ≠ stopping his industry momentum

Folk

you stated this, but who is hearing this record??

When you got a nigga doing 5 million in 2 months off 2 videos..and I'm not even counting how he's all on your TV screen and radio..Who is really checking for an unknown nigga that's making a diss record that most have never heard of??

Niggas down south hadn't even heard of Jay-Z in 96 to be real about the whole situation..

and only Queens niggas heard of 50 Cent when he dropped "Your life's on the line"...

Only South Bronx niggas heard of KRS when he dropped the Bridge is Over...

etc etc

there is the culture and there is the industry...

A lot of people are rap fans morseo hip-hop fans @Brother_Five so the culture is not taken as serious

Big brother Cain, you was around at that time...folk you should know that if a nigga wasn't on 2pac's platform..or in some type of light, a diss record aim'd at him was falling on deaf ears...

The only, only person at that time that could have made a little noise would have been Biggie himself or Mobb Deep, Nas etc..those who were 'known', none of them D lister ass rappers would have made any noise..

.

Lol Cube could've went at Pac(not saying they had beef or he would have) and shut him down. Cube had more fans and was selling as well. Big could've went at Pac but Puff shut that down. Nas like you said could've went at dude as well but they handled their business. Wutang as well but they squashed their little beef too.

Pac had the Deathrow machine behind him. Niggas moreso feared Suge than Pac. We're not going to act like rapper's wasn't selling when Pac popped on the scene. Him going to jail and going at cops made him (in)famous. That made niggas care about his music more. To say he was a lyrical killer on the mic was

Oh and 95% of the niggas on this board never listened to a Pac album before MATW so I don't respect their opinions.

@Knock_Twice

Im just catchin wind of this thread and there's 500 new, but damn this nigga @cain the worst rap OG ever . You stripped to little nigga status on music

What Pac detractors dont realize ---mostly bc they werent old enough, i have no idea this nigga's excuse- -- is it was UNHEARD OF for a top rapper, THE top rapper, to be so AGGRESSIVE on the mic

So In 2016 its so easy, and comical, to say 'Man Hit Em up was just a bunch of yellin'. Its comical. But at-that-time that was lyrical murder. Rightfully so. I was old enough to remember that, and you wasnt, hip hop wasnt, nobody was that sophisticated or bougie to be on some 'oh thats cool, but watch how i lay down these bars and REEEAALLLY get him'.

Get the fuk outta here

Drop a Gem is a perfect example bc in hindsight yea,it was dope, and in whatever bubble yall wanna opeeate from it "killed Pac", but my nigga most mfers never even HEARD that song at the time . That was a blip on the radar

So stop loking at 1996 shit thru 2016 lens. Due to Pacs energry he was untouchable rapwise.

Theres a reason Big's only direct undebateable, acknowledged shot at Pac was 'get it, 2....Pacs "

Bc of that tenacity and relentleness and fame no one wanted to or could fuck with that guy directly.

Stop reading at the bold only line niggas remember from Hit em Up is the opening bar and to say otherwise you're lying your monkey ass off ...Lol go home you're drunk.

That what I always say...

Whats Hit em up? A decent pac verse, then some subpar verses from Outlaw members who I couldnt name to save my life.

 

[nex gin]

killing him on wax ≠ stopping his industry momentum

Folk

you stated this, but who is hearing this record??

When you got a nigga doing 5 million in 2 months off 2 videos..and I'm not even counting how he's all on your TV screen and radio..Who is really checking for an unknown nigga that's making a diss record that most have never heard of??

Niggas down south hadn't even heard of Jay-Z in 96 to be real about the whole situation..

and only Queens niggas heard of 50 Cent when he dropped "Your life's on the line"...

Only South Bronx niggas heard of KRS when he dropped the Bridge is Over...

etc etc

there is the culture and there is the industry...

A lot of people are rap fans morseo hip-hop fans @Brother_Five so the culture is not taken as serious

Big brother Cain, you was around at that time...folk you should know that if a nigga wasn't on 2pac's platform..or in some type of light, a diss record aim'd at him was falling on deaf ears...

The only, only person at that time that could have made a little noise would have been Biggie himself or Mobb Deep, Nas etc..those who were 'known', none of them D lister ass rappers would have made any noise..

.

Lol Cube could've went at Pac(not saying they had beef or he would have) and shut him down. Cube had more fans and was selling as well. Big could've went at Pac but Puff shut that down. Nas like you said could've went at dude as well but they handled their business. Wutang as well but they squashed their little beef too.

Pac had the Deathrow machine behind him. Niggas moreso feared Suge than Pac. We're not going to act like rapper's wasn't selling when Pac popped on the scene. Him going to jail and going at cops made him (in)famous. That made niggas care about his music more. To say he was a lyrical killer on the mic was

Oh and 95% of the niggas on this board never listened to a Pac album before MATW so I don't respect their opinions.

@Knock_Twice

Im just catchin wind of this thread and there's 500 new, but damn this nigga @cain the worst rap OG ever . You stripped to little nigga status on music

What Pac detractors dont realize ---mostly bc they werent old enough, i have no idea this nigga's excuse- -- is it was UNHEARD OF for a top rapper, THE top rapper, to be so AGGRESSIVE on the mic

So In 2016 its so easy, and comical, to say 'Man Hit Em up was just a bunch of yellin'. Its comical. But at-that-time that was lyrical murder. Rightfully so. I was old enough to remember that, and you wasnt, hip hop wasnt, nobody was that sophisticated or bougie to be on some 'oh thats cool, but watch how i lay down these bars and REEEAALLLY get him'.

Get the fuk outta here

Drop a Gem is a perfect example bc in hindsight yea,it was dope, and in whatever bubble yall wanna opeeate from it "killed Pac", but my nigga most mfers never even HEARD that song at the time . That was a blip on the radar

So stop loking at 1996 shit thru 2016 lens. Due to Pacs energry he was untouchable rapwise.

Theres a reason Big's only direct undebateable, acknowledged shot at Pac was 'get it, 2....Pacs "

Bc of that tenacity and relentleness and fame no one wanted to or could fuck with that guy directly.

Stop reading at the bold only line niggas remember from Hit em Up is the opening bar and to say otherwise you're lying your monkey ass off ...Lol go home you're drunk.

Basically

 

[S2J]

killing him on wax ≠ stopping his industry momentum

Folk

you stated this, but who is hearing this record??

When you got a nigga doing 5 million in 2 months off 2 videos..and I'm not even counting how he's all on your TV screen and radio..Who is really checking for an unknown nigga that's making a diss record that most have never heard of??

Niggas down south hadn't even heard of Jay-Z in 96 to be real about the whole situation..

and only Queens niggas heard of 50 Cent when he dropped "Your life's on the line"...

Only South Bronx niggas heard of KRS when he dropped the Bridge is Over...

etc etc

there is the culture and there is the industry...

A lot of people are rap fans morseo hip-hop fans @Brother_Five so the culture is not taken as serious

Big brother Cain, you was around at that time...folk you should know that if a nigga wasn't on 2pac's platform..or in some type of light, a diss record aim'd at him was falling on deaf ears...

The only, only person at that time that could have made a little noise would have been Biggie himself or Mobb Deep, Nas etc..those who were 'known', none of them D lister ass rappers would have made any noise..

.

Lol Cube could've went at Pac(not saying they had beef or he would have) and shut him down. Cube had more fans and was selling as well. Big could've went at Pac but Puff shut that down. Nas like you said could've went at dude as well but they handled their business. Wutang as well but they squashed their little beef too.

Pac had the Deathrow machine behind him. Niggas moreso feared Suge than Pac. We're not going to act like rapper's wasn't selling when Pac popped on the scene. Him going to jail and going at cops made him (in)famous. That made niggas care about his music more. To say he was a lyrical killer on the mic was

Oh and 95% of the niggas on this board never listened to a Pac album before MATW so I don't respect their opinions.

@Knock_Twice

Im just catchin wind of this thread and there's 500 new, but damn this nigga @cain the worst rap OG ever . You stripped to little nigga status on music

What Pac detractors dont realize ---mostly bc they werent old enough, i have no idea this nigga's excuse- -- is it was UNHEARD OF for a top rapper, THE top rapper, to be so AGGRESSIVE on the mic

So In 2016 its so easy, and comical, to say 'Man Hit Em up was just a bunch of yellin'. Its comical. But at-that-time that was lyrical murder. Rightfully so. I was old enough to remember that, and you wasnt, hip hop wasnt, nobody was that sophisticated or bougie to be on some 'oh thats cool, but watch how i lay down these bars and REEEAALLLY get him'.

Get the fuk outta here

Drop a Gem is a perfect example bc in hindsight yea,it was dope, and in whatever bubble yall wanna opeeate from it "killed Pac", but my nigga most mfers never even HEARD that song at the time . That was a blip on the radar

So stop loking at 1996 shit thru 2016 lens. Due to Pacs energry he was untouchable rapwise.

Theres a reason Big's only direct undebateable, acknowledged shot at Pac was 'get it, 2....Pacs "

Bc of that tenacity and relentleness and fame no one wanted to or could fuck with that guy directly.

Stop reading at the bold only line niggas remember from Hit em Up is the opening bar and to say otherwise you're lying your monkey ass off ...Lol go home you're drunk.

You biased man, just admit it!

Just like if you listen to Bridge is Over in 2016 you cant capture fully how potent it was then, you cant sit here as an adult, knowing that he ended up gettin killed behind all this, and say NOW that it was light. You really lose all credibility with that

That's where you're wrong I like Pac music. I just see bullshit and call it out. Just the thread title is bullshit Jay wasn't killing nobodies career just like Pac wasn't.

Ahhhh cmon lol Jay of course not but Pac? Cmon. We aint looked at Prodigy seriously since lmao Xzibit was cool makin his lil money gettin praise on his debut song then they took aim at him outta nowhere and undercut his whole shit.

'Kill a career' is semantics but how bout we say destroy or hurt a brand. Drake is hurting Meek Milks brand. So my goodness what do you think Pac did.

If another rapper's songs and disses is hurting your bottom line and dictating where you can travel and making it hard for people to focus on your music, thats about as close to 'killing your career' as possible. Might wanna make you get that man touched

 

[a_list]

Yo, grown'ass men believing in this superhero shyt is sad, b....lol...