Jay-Z Almost Ended 2 pac's Career: DJ Clark Kent Reveals Jay-Z Recorded A 2Pac Diss

[DR. JEK]

So just to be clear, yall really believe pac would have been able to kill jay z on wax....in real life??

Ummmmm, yeah!

Jay dont have the best battle rap history.....i mean he killed Biggie who was better than Jay as a rapper at that time!!!

Lol @ a random dj at a random ass time wit his bias ass talbout Jay had a hard diss lined up. You was in Jay z's camp at the time!!!! You gottta be bias!!! Woulda coulda shoulda

Jay and New York rappers lost and that's all there is too it

Nigga came out wit super ugly the next day after Ether but couldn't drop a pac diss for a whole two months till Pac happen to die? Pshhh

 

[skpjr78]

For anybody that really wants to know what the vibe was like in New York, I posted Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape in another thread. You'd have to listen to the entire tape to have anything intelligent to say.

If you haven't heard Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape you can't really comment on the climate of Hip Hop in 1996. Niggaz in New York were copping mix tapes. CDs and tapes weren't really selling.
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...-96-addressing-the-pac-west-coast-beef#latest

new York was no longer the heart of hip hop in 96

and that mixtape is trash

Wtf are you talking about bruh? New York ain't lose its stranglehold on hip hop till the mid 2000's

the west coast dominated hip hop in the 90s. from oakland to la the heart of hip hop was definitely in cali throughout the decade. and when the west started to slowly decline the south began its ascent and we took over. after that the whole idea of costal dominance began to fade. the culture had become so ubiquitous that no coast could truly claim the crown. from oakland, to houston, to detroit to pittsburgh every city had a well established scene with at least 1 well respected artist. the culture is too big and generates too much money for any 1 coast to claim supremacy. and with the internet anybody from anywhere can put their music out and have it go global. its not like it was in the early 90s when you only 2 choices. hip hop is everywhere and no coast can make a true claim to the throne now b/c the throne is global

This is what I mean by looking at the whole picture and being objective. The West was on top til the mid 90's but NY was still strong and producing more legends and more classics than any other city. Then from 1997 to about 06 NY was producing the numbers and classics.

The West just recovered in 2013, with 1999 and 50 giving the Game life being the exceptions.

nyc was trash between big and dmx. '97 was the midst of the dark ages for nyc unless you liked that puffy, mase, jigga, shiny suit bullshit. it wasnt until dmx dropped that anything out of nyc was even worth listening to. outside of 50's run who else had a nationwide run of L free success?

are you nuts? Bad Boy dominated 1997. Did you not see the reception the Badboy reunion just got at the B.E.T awards.

The dark ages:

Nov 97- Feb 98

Smh, clowns.

nyc was trash between big and dmx. '97 was the midst of the dark ages for nyc unless you liked that puffy, mase, jigga, shiny suit bullshit. it wasnt until dmx dropped that anything out of nyc was even worth listening to. outside of 50's run who else had a nationwide run of L free success?

gets ur facts right dumbass. big died in march of 97 and even though x dropped in 98 he had to cut through all the nyc trash that was in the way to get his shine on. the death of nyc started in 95 and dmx didnt take over until late 98 into 99. thats a 4 year run of COMPLETE AND TOTAL TRASH!!!

the only ppl who disagree with this are people who liked that gay ass jiggy shit. the type of ppl who will tell you with a straight face that mase was dope. the same mase thats getting his fag ass roasted as we speak in a separate thread right down the block. only fuck boys like you vouched for that jiggy bullshit. real n!gg@s laughed and moved on to real artist nd real music. ur fag ass opinion cant be taken seriously.

 

[optimistic]

Til this day Jay-Z still gets flack becuz of 2pac. I known alotta people over the years (growing up anyways) who didn't even get into Mobb Deep, Jay-Z, and Biggie until later on. I'm not just talking about my peers either

Pac weakened the East Coast. If you don't know that then you weren't there and you shouldn't be giving your opinion. Everything wasn't all good for those guys like history nowadays would like you to believe.

Shit really was that serious

I was there. No he didn't, Pac didn't hurt shit

^^^You living fantasies, nigga I reject your deposit

Of course you do nigga you're delusional

 

[skpjr78]

Til this day Jay-Z still gets flack becuz of 2pac. I known alotta people over the years (growing up anyways) who didn't even get into Mobb Deep, Jay-Z, and Biggie until later on. I'm not just talking about my peers either

Pac weakened the East Coast. If you don't know that then you weren't there and you shouldn't be giving your opinion. Everything wasn't all good for those guys like history nowadays would like you to believe.

Shit really was that serious

I was there. No he didn't, Pac didn't hurt shit

^^^You living fantasies, nigga I reject your deposit

Of course you do nigga you're delusional

lol at pac not hurting shit and me being delusional. the only ones that are delusional are the ones trying to rewrite history and every nyc rapper since the war false claiming la blood sets. lol at ur best rappers becoming la style gang members after snoop kicked over the buildings.

 

[DR. JEK]

here is a proof of Pac not be the one he claim to be. Pac dissed Prodigy but when Pac saw Prodigy in person he didn't do anything?

It dont look like Pee was eager to do anything to pac either but now that the nigga dead Pee can say "i was finna shoot son" for a few book sales. Wtf

 

[hiphop12345]

For anybody that really wants to know what the vibe was like in New York, I posted Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape in another thread. You'd have to listen to the entire tape to have anything intelligent to say.

If you haven't heard Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape you can't really comment on the climate of Hip Hop in 1996. Niggaz in New York were copping mix tapes. CDs and tapes weren't really selling.
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...-96-addressing-the-pac-west-coast-beef#latest

new York was no longer the heart of hip hop in 96

and that mixtape is trash

Wtf are you talking about bruh? New York ain't lose its stranglehold on hip hop till the mid 2000's

the west coast dominated hip hop in the 90s. from oakland to la the heart of hip hop was definitely in cali throughout the decade. and when the west started to slowly decline the south began its ascent and we took over. after that the whole idea of costal dominance began to fade. the culture had become so ubiquitous that no coast could truly claim the crown. from oakland, to houston, to detroit to pittsburgh every city had a well established scene with at least 1 well respected artist. the culture is too big and generates too much money for any 1 coast to claim supremacy. and with the internet anybody from anywhere can put their music out and have it go global. its not like it was in the early 90s when you only 2 choices. hip hop is everywhere and no coast can make a true claim to the throne now b/c the throne is global

This is what I mean by looking at the whole picture and being objective. The West was on top til the mid 90's but NY was still strong and producing more legends and more classics than any other city. Then from 1997 to about 06 NY was producing the numbers and classics.

The West just recovered in 2013, with 1999 and 50 giving the Game life being the exceptions.

nyc was trash between big and dmx. '97 was the midst of the dark ages for nyc unless you liked that puffy, mase, jigga, shiny suit bullshit. it wasnt until dmx dropped that anything out of nyc was even worth listening to. outside of 50's run who else had a nationwide run of L free success?

are you nuts? Bad Boy dominated 1997. Did you not see the reception the Badboy reunion just got at the B.E.T awards.

The dark ages:

Nov 97- Feb 98

Smh, clowns.

nyc was trash between big and dmx. '97 was the midst of the dark ages for nyc unless you liked that puffy, mase, jigga, shiny suit bullshit. it wasnt until dmx dropped that anything out of nyc was even worth listening to. outside of 50's run who else had a nationwide run of L free success?

gets ur facts right dumbass. big died in march of 97 and even though x dropped in 98 he had to cut through all the nyc trash that was in the way to get his shine on. the death of nyc started in 95 and dmx didnt take over until late 98 into 99. thats a 4 year run of COMPLETE AND TOTAL TRASH!!!

the only ppl who disagree with this are people who liked that gay ass jiggy shit. the type of ppl who will tell you with a straight face that mase was dope. the same mase thats getting his fag ass roasted as we speak in a separate thread right down the block. only fuck boys like you vouched for that jiggy bullshit. real n!gg@s laughed and moved on to real artist nd real music. ur fag ass opinion cant be taken seriously.

You're so stupid and out the loop. Big died in March 97 but he had chart topping singles all throughout 97. Big was getting play like he was alive.

I pointed out who stupid you are that now you're pushing back the year to 95. Ok, I don't have a problem making up look stupid again.

1996 Nas dropped IWW which was the biggest selling album from a solo artist not named snoop and All eyes on me just a few months prior. How is NY Hip Hop dead in 95-til 98 when it had it's must successful solo album in years, lets not forget the Fugees who sold even more than Nas?

 

[supergangster]

here is a proof of Pac not be the one he claim to be. Pac dissed Prodigy but when Pac saw Prodigy in person he didn't do anything?

Nigga

It dont look like Pee was eager to do anything to pac either but now that the nigga dead Pee can say "i was finna shoot son" for a few book sales. Wtf

Yep P said he almost shot Pac its written in his book have not read the book but my mother told me bout it

 

[a_list]

i dont get how folks say NY wasnt on in the early/mid 90's or till after Pac died when

Wu tang came out in 93

Liquid Swords GZA - 95

nly Built 4 Cuban Linx Raekwon - 95

The Score The Fugees - 96

The Infamous - 95

Big came out in 93

Nas who most folks on here say the Goat was being looked at since 91 and dropped in 94

A Tribe Called Quest dropped an album around 93/94

thats just to name a lil

Dont forget 97

EPMD Back In Business

Busta-When Disaster Strikes

Wyclef-Carnival

CNN-The War Report

Camp Lo-Uptown Saturday Night

Jay-Z-Vol 1

Wu-Forever

B.I.G-Lad

Rakim-18th Letter

To name a few.....

 

[gemini86]

to even think jay couldve ended pacs career is assanine

 

[T. Sanford]

to even think jay couldve ended pacs career is assanine

The Jay love is strong in the reason

 

[gemini86]

And fuck it to be real, jay hasn't even had big impacts in hiphop like big, PAC, 50, eminem, Wayne. The nigga just rides the wave and hype of other artist. For example ruff Ryders, Wayne Ross drake and etc...

 

[Mr 202]

Jay wasnt seeing pac at all. Idk think certain beef pac had would of lasted longer . jay would of not be who he is today if pac n big were here .

First off this is not fact, there's no way for you to prove that it's true, I mean it's complete nonsense and a baseless opinion. You don't get to where Jay is today by been lucky, do you know how many rappers we have out there and Jay is standing alone all by himself.X, buster,Treach etc all had smash hits that sold across the globe but look at where they at today, The ones we consider smart Raekwon, ghost face, Nas etc they not anywhere near Jay status if we wanna be honest,the man worked extra hard, dropped a solid album every year from 96/2003,was signed to his own label,you can tell every move he makes is calculated and well thought out, never allowed dumb niggas in his circle for the sake of keeping it real, stayed away from baby mama drama, Jay is smart and he has so many great qualities that big or pac been alive won't be enough for him to not be successful.only person that could have stopped Jay is God and death.... He wasn't Big 96 but the ones that were big then knew he was gonn be a problem......... There's a reason Big hung with him tight, he saw something in Jay y'all cannot see

 

[Mr 202]

Revisionist history like a muthafucka SMMFH. First off Jay-Z was NOT a big artist in 96, he was lower tier at that point. He could have dropped a diss and it would have fallen on deaf ears behind the Chino XL, Lil Kim, Mobb Deep, Ryan G, and other wack ass disses (shoot me Jayhova Witnesses, yall prolly wasn't even old enough to know what was going on at the time Pac was HUGE). Jay couldn't even kill NaS' career on wax so FOH about him killing Pac's career.

Pac was big, but he wasn't that big, their were rap acts like the Fugees who Pac went at who were extremely bigger than Pac was. Pac was bigger in his death than he was alive.

This mentality is what killed hip hop. If by being more well known and accepted by a larger cross audience is what you mean by the fugees being bigger than pac you are right. But to imply that in any way, shape or form that fugees individually or collectively were better than pac ur crazy.

I respect what the fugees bought to game and i know you cant really compare the 2 but with that said you are out of ur mind if you think they were seeing pac.

Thats like comparing kenny g to john Coltrane. Kenny has his lane but its beyond ridiculous to claim that he is better b/c he has a larger cross over following. Chasing pop crossover success is what took us from pac to souljah boy. Fohwtbs

Who said anything about the Fugees being better? I said the Fugees were bigger Hip-Hop stars within a mainstream paradigm at that time, in which they were. What killed Hip-hop is that beef shit (which pac was heavily apart of), commercialization, and its obsession with materialism (niggas today are still rapping about that same shit they rapped about in 98). And if you want to talk about music, Pac may have released classic songs, but classic all around albums? Never.

In '96 Hip-Hop publications were already saying Hip-Hop was dying due to its new found obsession with materialism that was being projected in the mainstream within the culture, where many at the time felt the Fugees and the Roots was saving the culture (even though classic hip-hop was still being released).

Go search through some of the old Hip-Hop magazines that were released at the time, and get the true opinion of how shit actually was.

I understand what you trying to say, but it does not apply in this situation. Tupac and fugees both made music for the culture and communities they from, not crossover success

Exactly, and thats my point! All I'm trying to say is that even though Pac was big at the time, their were Hip-Hop acts that were even bigger than him such as the Fugees.

Is fugees not a Gruop that consists of wyclef,praz and Lauren??? And they were bigger than pac? What are you smoking????? Pac was a movement,he was an extra ordinary individual,cut from the same cloth as Michael Jackson and Bob Marley..... I'm a Biggie fan and I strongly believe Biggie is goat but that nigga pac came from a different planet with a crazy cult following, again he's MJ,Bob Marley status

 

[grYmes]

Lol, this thread has gone way outta control... Niggas arguing about shit that will never happen and most of em were still doing 100 meter laps in nut sack juice when it went down. Just stop.

 

[gemini86]

2pac is literally the GOAT. lock this thread

 

[DOPEdweebz]

Internet revisionism is the worst. Yall end up overrating what is great now over what was great before with no perspective whatsoever. These new nigga revisionist being saying shit like this and how Lebron was better than Jordan. Kys.

 

[gemini86]

Internet revisionism is the worst. Yall end up overrating what is great now over what was great before with no perspective whatsoever. These new nigga revisionist being saying shit like this and how Lebron was better than Jordan. Kys.

lebron isnt better than jordan but niggas dont want to give him props. they act like the nigga is kerry kittles. nobody wants to let people be great either. that shit is wack

 

[_God_]

It was literally nothing but space and opportunity for all of these bitter ass NY niggas to strike back. By them electing not to go to war with Pac already tells you what kind of soldiers they were. Jigga warriors can tweak all the variables they want to try to make themselves feel better but history is already set in stone. Jay Z, Nas, Mobb Deep, Biggie all sat an watch as Pac nuked their pride and their home. The fallout of the blast changed NY forever. Now those same radio stations that didnt play Pac now play Future more than NY artists combined in last 5 years. NY radio is a cancer amongst itsself destroying each other and holding back artists with silly feuds started by white boy DJs. Nicki is NY biggest artist and she cant push 400K in a city of 18 million loudmouths. ASAP got black Harlem thinking wearing dresses and fucking drug addict white chicks is living it up. Yall hate yall own local artists like Troy Ave but let cali niggas like Kendrick say he the king of your city. Nas moved to Georgia then Cali. Jay Z moved to Jersey then transformed into euro hov. 50 cent moved to CT. Fat Joe moved to Miami. Serious fucking question who is the face of New York right now? You never had to ask a question like that before death row wars. Niggas like Mase, Mr. Cee are admitted transexual fuckers. Southern artists are now selling out MSG while NY artists can barely get niggas to stay awake at their free shows in the park.

You fuckin dumb, it 96, not 2012, if big ain't respond bc puff told him not to why would anybody with hopes of being big level or higher diss pac? There's a reason y diddy didn't allow that shit , if u was from ny n rappin and u dissed pac , u was not gettin on period. Stupid niggas

Just like Pac pointed out all them niggas was hollering that mafioso kingpin shit in they raps. In 1995-96 they went from hungry poets to Frank white, escobar, iceberg slim, firm and commission, junior mafia wanna be death row MOB niggas. When did mafia bosses and chiefs start taking orders and letting blatant disrespect fly? That's why Pac spun that mafioso shit back on them niggas and called himself THE DON. Aligned himself with a Mob family in suge. He put together his own fearless and still ride or die hitmen with Outlaws. He had DPG family support. Pac established allies in biggie own hood. A million bucks says Ruck (pbuh) already smoked a blunt and had a good visit and laugh about hip hop with Pac in the afterlife this week. Another million says he ain't checkin for biggie. BCC rode hard for Pac Buckshot was Pac lieutenant. They shot first at Pac. Pac played by their rules. The niggas who try to kill pac in 94 told him don't go to war unless his money is right. Pac played by their rules. He organized his finances, resources and ammunition and beat them at they own game. It's no coincidence right after biggie died the Mafioso era went along with him. Nas went from that gay ass pink suit to getting Pac Son tatted on his belly and wearing bandannas. Jay Z put on that kiwi suit and was shaking his camel udders like a video ho in money ain't a thing/sunshine video. Puffy replaced Biggie with mase like literally seconds after he heard about his "best friend" getting killed. I love my nigga Prodigy more than supergangster but Mobb Deep got put into check so bad that Pac set them up to be punching bags for rest of their career. NY loss was colossal. No back tracking, should of could would ofs, ESPN sport science sabermetrics will justify it

Listen you don't win by dying, in anything , big knew the repercussions cuz big was a street nigga , pac was an actor, why are there so many stories of who pac was off the mic? Bc wat he did on the mic was an act. Niggas in New York knew pac was an actor fam he played himself n got killed first, no points for that.

How u so real but Haitian jack extorting u and setting u up for prison bids and he not dead?

 

[_God_]

Pac destroyed ny that's a fact... jay, dmx, mobb deep, nas, wu tang & murda inc & ruff ryders brought it back

No it was jus a good line to start your verse with , niggas feelings and what's actually goin on are two different things

 

[gemini86]

It was literally nothing but space and opportunity for all of these bitter ass NY niggas to strike back. By them electing not to go to war with Pac already tells you what kind of soldiers they were. Jigga warriors can tweak all the variables they want to try to make themselves feel better but history is already set in stone. Jay Z, Nas, Mobb Deep, Biggie all sat an watch as Pac nuked their pride and their home. The fallout of the blast changed NY forever. Now those same radio stations that didnt play Pac now play Future more than NY artists combined in last 5 years. NY radio is a cancer amongst itsself destroying each other and holding back artists with silly feuds started by white boy DJs. Nicki is NY biggest artist and she cant push 400K in a city of 18 million loudmouths. ASAP got black Harlem thinking wearing dresses and fucking drug addict white chicks is living it up. Yall hate yall own local artists like Troy Ave but let cali niggas like Kendrick say he the king of your city. Nas moved to Georgia then Cali. Jay Z moved to Jersey then transformed into euro hov. 50 cent moved to CT. Fat Joe moved to Miami. Serious fucking question who is the face of New York right now? You never had to ask a question like that before death row wars. Niggas like Mase, Mr. Cee are admitted transexual fuckers. Southern artists are now selling out MSG while NY artists can barely get niggas to stay awake at their free shows in the park.

You fuckin dumb, it 96, not 2012, if big ain't respond bc puff told him not to why would anybody with hopes of being big level or higher diss pac? There's a reason y diddy didn't allow that shit , if u was from ny n rappin and u dissed pac , u was not gettin on period. Stupid niggas

Just like Pac pointed out all them niggas was hollering that mafioso kingpin shit in they raps. In 1995-96 they went from hungry poets to Frank white, escobar, iceberg slim, firm and commission, junior mafia wanna be death row MOB niggas. When did mafia bosses and chiefs start taking orders and letting blatant disrespect fly? That's why Pac spun that mafioso shit back on them niggas and called himself THE DON. Aligned himself with a Mob family in suge. He put together his own fearless and still ride or die hitmen with Outlaws. He had DPG family support. Pac established allies in biggie own hood. A million bucks says Ruck (pbuh) already smoked a blunt and had a good visit and laugh about hip hop with Pac in the afterlife this week. Another million says he ain't checkin for biggie. BCC rode hard for Pac Buckshot was Pac lieutenant. They shot first at Pac. Pac played by their rules. The niggas who try to kill pac in 94 told him don't go to war unless his money is right. Pac played by their rules. He organized his finances, resources and ammunition and beat them at they own game. It's no coincidence right after biggie died the Mafioso era went along with him. Nas went from that gay ass pink suit to getting Pac Son tatted on his belly and wearing bandannas. Jay Z put on that kiwi suit and was shaking his camel udders like a video ho in money ain't a thing/sunshine video. Puffy replaced Biggie with mase like literally seconds after he heard about his "best friend" getting killed. I love my nigga Prodigy more than supergangster but Mobb Deep got put into check so bad that Pac set them up to be punching bags for rest of their career. NY loss was colossal. No back tracking, should of could would ofs, ESPN sport science sabermetrics will justify it

Listen you don't win by dying, in anything , big knew the repercussions cuz big was a street nigga , pac was an actor, why are there so many stories of who pac was off the mic? Bc wat he did on the mic was an act. Niggas in New York knew pac was an actor fam he played himself n got killed first, no points for that.

How u so real but Haitian jack extorting u and setting u up for prison bids and he not dead?

yo shut the fuck up. u looking like a troll