Jay-Z Almost Ended 2 pac's Career: DJ Clark Kent Reveals Jay-Z Recorded A 2Pac Diss

[phukkyou2]

It was literally nothing but space and opportunity for all of these bitter ass NY niggas to strike back. By them electing not to go to war with Pac already tells you what kind of soldiers they were. Jigga warriors can tweak all the variables they want to try to make themselves feel better but history is already set in stone. Jay Z, Nas, Mobb Deep, Biggie all sat an watch as Pac nuked their pride and their home. The fallout of the blast changed NY forever. Now those same radio stations that didnt play Pac now play Future more than NY artists combined in last 5 years. NY radio is a cancer amongst itsself destroying each other and holding back artists with silly feuds started by white boy DJs. Nicki is NY biggest artist and she cant push 400K in a city of 18 million loudmouths. ASAP got black Harlem thinking wearing dresses and fucking drug addict white chicks is living it up. Yall hate yall own local artists like Troy Ave but let cali niggas like Kendrick say he the king of your city. Nas moved to Georgia then Cali. Jay Z moved to Jersey then transformed into euro hov. 50 cent moved to CT. Fat Joe moved to Miami. Serious fucking question who is the face of New York right now? You never had to ask a question like that before death row wars. Niggas like Mase, Mr. Cee are admitted transexual fuckers. Southern artists are now selling out MSG while NY artists can barely get niggas to stay awake at their free shows in the park.

You fuckin dumb, it 96, not 2012, if big ain't respond bc puff told him not to why would anybody with hopes of being big level or higher diss pac? There's a reason y diddy didn't allow that shit , if u was from ny n rappin and u dissed pac , u was not gettin on period. Stupid niggas

Just like Pac pointed out all them niggas was hollering that mafioso kingpin shit in they raps. In 1995-96 they went from hungry poets to Frank white, escobar, iceberg slim, firm and commission, junior mafia wanna be death row MOB niggas. When did mafia bosses and chiefs start taking orders and letting blatant disrespect fly? That's why Pac spun that mafioso shit back on them niggas and called himself THE DON. Aligned himself with a Mob family in suge. He put together his own fearless and still ride or die hitmen with Outlaws. He had DPG family support. Pac established allies in biggie own hood. A million bucks says Ruck (pbuh) already smoked a blunt and had a good visit and laugh about hip hop with Pac in the afterlife this week. Another million says he ain't checkin for biggie. BCC rode hard for Pac Buckshot was Pac lieutenant. They shot first at Pac. Pac played by their rules. The niggas who try to kill pac in 94 told him don't go to war unless his money is right. Pac played by their rules. He organized his finances, resources and ammunition and beat them at they own game. It's no coincidence right after biggie died the Mafioso era went along with him. Nas went from that gay ass pink suit to getting Pac Son tatted on his belly and wearing bandannas. Jay Z put on that kiwi suit and was shaking his camel udders like a video ho in money ain't a thing/sunshine video. Puffy replaced Biggie with mase like literally seconds after he heard about his "best friend" getting killed. I love my nigga Prodigy more than supergangster but Mobb Deep got put into check so bad that Pac set them up to be punching bags for rest of their career. NY loss was colossal. No back tracking, should of could would ofs, ESPN sport science sabermetrics will justify it

He spoke about it right here at the 2:33 mark
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[CJ]

That's the funniest post from tomp in a long time

 

[kingofkingz]

U stupid as nigga!! Jay albums was goin platinum, everybody & they momma was wearing rocawear & throwing up the diamond.. the nigga tour sold out stadiums.. that's how jay brought ny back u dumb cocksucker!!

I grow up throw all that shit stupid muthafucka!! Fuck u mean what I'm talking about? Niggas was callin jay the king of ny

 

[phukkyou2]

U stupid as nigga!! Jay albums was goin platinum, everybody & they momma was wearing rocawear & throwing up the diamond.. the nigga tour sold out stadiums.. that's how jay brought ny back u dumb cocksucker!!

I grow up throw all that shit stupid muthafucka!! Fuck u mean what I'm talking about? Niggas was callin jay the king of ny

More like DMX brought back NY. But really it was a combination of Ruff Ryders, Roc-A-Fella, and Murder Inc. (Ja Rule)

Jay-Z was the showman but X was the star. And Ja Rule was the "pop act" so to say.

I was there too. Don't make it sound like it was all Jay. Alotta Niggaz wasn't even really fuckin' with Jay like that even tho he had some cool shit here n there. Jay took some "getting used to" for a while. He didn't even really come into his own until "The Black Album". That's not to say people weren't warmed up to him by then but he wasn't Jay-Z Jay-Z until Beyonoce' started lacing him up... and ironically he used a 2Pac song to help him get there

 

[kingofkingz]

U right some niggas wasn't fuckin wit jay like that.. i remember niggas sayin he a fraud he ain't really about that shit he rappin about.. but niggas was already warmed up too jay before the black album.. jay put out blueprint & everybody called that shit an instant classic i remember hearing that h to the izzo song & hola hovito everywhere on the radio

Yeah dmx had a major impact in bringing ny back too but that nigga was never the king of ny jay had the crown

Btw I'm from nyc i witnessed niggas from ny throwing up the west coast sign when pac was crushin us. & i the raise of ny when everybody was on jay & rocafella dick

I remember when jay & the rocafella squad when at jazo over that styles p i get high beat & the city was going crazy

 

[supergangster]

I dont care about what ppl say but Pac does not have any album thats better than The Infamous. Me Against The World is better than Hell On Earth but that's it.

Jay z does not got any album thats better than The Infamous or Hell On Earth

Illmatic, IT Was Written, Stillmatic, God's Son, Lost Tapes is also better than any Pac album i'd say Me Against The World is better than any nas album after that.

 

[skpjr78]

U stupid as nigga!! Jay albums was goin platinum, everybody & they momma was wearing rocawear & throwing up the diamond.. the nigga tour sold out stadiums.. that's how jay brought ny back u dumb cocksucker!!

I grow up throw all that shit stupid muthafucka!! Fuck u mean what I'm talking about? Niggas was callin jay the king of ny

dudes in ny were calling him the king of ny. nobody else gave a fuck. and besides what did it mean to be the king of ny in '96-'98. who was ur comp mase and diddy. thats some kingdom. thats like being the king of italy after the collapse of the roman empire.

learn ur history bruh. nobody gave a shit about nyc until dmx and the rough riders bout it back. wu got love but nas wounded, not fataly but wounded never the less, there was absolutely no difference betwen that bullshit from puff and bad boy and that jiggy shit from gay-z and the rock. those dudes were one in the same.

dont believe me go ask the lox. they were around during the war. they were on bad boys and were big and puffys foot soldiers. if anybody was gonna bring it back it would have been them. styles p and jada are amongst the best the east ever produced and sheek definetly had his moments. but how did the lox/bad boy era end? they had to start a street campaign and start a petition to get off the label. the lox didnt really become they lox until they left bad boy and got on with the ruff ryders. and they waged war with buff before and after they left. they didnt want to be affiliated with that gay ass, shiny suit, fuck shit that puff and bad boy was pushing and as i said earlier that bullshit was no different than the crap that jigga and the roc were doing around that time.

so fuck no gay-z didnt bring nyc back. the ruff ryders did. by rescuing the lox and letting them do what they do they highlighted everything that was wrong with the post biggie, bad boy/rocafella, jiggy era. nyc was a wasteland between big and dmx. the wu was the only respectable crew they had and not to many ouside of the east coast was really checking for them. facts homeboy. nothing but facts

 

[phukkyou2]

U right some niggas wasn't fuckin wit jay like that.. i remember niggas sayin he a fraud he ain't really about that shit he rappin about.. but niggas was already warmed up too jay before the black album.. jay put out blueprint & everybody called that shit an instant classic i remember hearing that h to the izzo song & hola hovito everywhere on the radio

Yeah dmx had a major impact in bringing ny back too but that nigga was never the king of ny jay had the crown

Btw I'm from nyc i witnessed niggas from ny throwing up the west coast sign when pac was crushin us. & i the raise of ny when everybody was on jay & rocafella dick

I remember when jay & the rocafella squad when at jazo over that styles p i get high beat & the city was going crazy

Yeah no doubt "The Blueprint" put Jay out there on the forefront. That battle with Nas did wonders for Jay (and Roc-A-Fella for that matter). It catapulted Nas on a new plateau as well

But as far as 98', 99', 2000, early 2001. That was all DMX, shawty could do no wrong even if he only dropped One (near) Classic body of work at that time. Jay just happened to strike gold at the right time. Becuz when "The Blueprint" dropped, X was moreso getting into the Acting thing and wasn't so focused on the music as much as he had been.

You also can't forget that LL was OG Status and helped bring back New York to the forefront as well. LL was on some other shit, he was Hollywood New York. He brought in alotta Eyes & Ears that wouldn't have necessarily checked for Hip Hop Records and Artists. LL was pretty untouchable during those years actually. Same with The Wu-Tang Clan

That's why my face kinda puckers up and my eyes roll when people say Jay was KONY then. It's like people get Selective Memory when they think about that era. Too much else was going on in The East then. You can't forget about Busta Rhymes either.... Hit after hit with that man

 

[kingofkingz]

Strictly for my niggas was better than hell on earth.. niggas used to play that album at the basketball courts when those big ass boom boxes was in

Jay blueprint was better than hell on earth

7 day theory was better than all those nas albums u mentioned!

 

[T. Sanford]

I remember when my sister bought "& Then There Was X" album. She use to play the hell out of that album.

"I'm going to live forever, I'm never gon die/only thing I fear that I'm never gon fly'"

 

[supergangster]

Strictly for my niggas was better than hell on earth.. niggas used to play that album at the basketball courts when those big ass boom boxes was in

Jay blueprint was better than hell on earth

7 day theory was better than all those nas albums u mentioned!

you a groupie cant take shit serious from u

 

[bck145]

Strictly for my niggas was better than hell on earth.. niggas used to play that album at the basketball courts when those big ass boom boxes was in

Jay blueprint was better than hell on earth

7 day theory was better than all those nas albums u mentioned!

you a groupie cant take shit serious from u

pot calling the kettle black

 

[kingofkingz]

Dmx had a helpin hand in bringing ny back.. but when he focused on movies & being a junkie everybody was thirsty for some jay material or something outta rocafella.. facts homeboy

Ruff ryders couldn't even keep they commercial appeal when volume 3 dropped

 

[texasdaking88]

I love how these threads go..lol

 

[skpjr78]

Dmx had a helpin hand in bringing ny back.. but when he focused on movies & being a junkie everybody was thirsty for some jay material or something outta rocafella.. facts homeboy

Ruff ryders couldn't even keep they commercial appeal when volume 3 dropped

commercial appeal is exactly what killed the east coast. at least big had talent but once he did nyc tried to live off commercial appeal and real dudes couldnt respect that corny shit. corny shit led nyc to push lames like ja rule and mase. real dudes against the country were laughing at that fake ass, synthethic ass commercial bullshit. we was down here bumping ugk, project pat ans scarface during that era. no they will never have the commercial appeal or commercial success that gay ass mase and diddy had but their shit is timeless andd still respected. ja rule's weak ass commercial appeal lasted for less than 5 years b4 nyc got tired of that fake ass bullshit. it was on of their own, 50, who officially destroyed his ass.

miss me with that commercial appeal bullshit. commercial appeal is why vanilla ice is still one of the biggest selling rap artist of all time. commercial appeal is what put gay-z, puff and nas in shiny suits. as i said earlier commercial appeal, gimmicks and a lack of talent is what called nyc n the 1st place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtk8j9gAxCA

 

[murdap]

The biggest highlights of jay z career is losing to Nas and getting dissed by Pac. The biggest achievements he got on his resume is signing Nas and being Beyonce Baby daddy.

" And shout to all my boss bitches wifing niggas " - Drake

 

[Louis Devinear]

killing him on wax ≠ stopping his industry momentum

Folk

you stated this, but who is hearing this record??

When you got a nigga doing 5 million in 2 months off 2 videos..and I'm not even counting how he's all on your TV screen and radio..Who is really checking for an unknown nigga that's making a diss record that most have never heard of??

Niggas down south hadn't even heard of Jay-Z in 96 to be real about the whole situation..

and only Queens niggas heard of 50 Cent when he dropped "Your life's on the line"...

Only South Bronx niggas heard of KRS when he dropped the Bridge is Over...

etc etc

there is the culture and there is the industry...

A lot of people are rap fans morseo hip-hop fans @Brother_Five so the culture is not taken as serious

Big brother Cain, you was around at that time...folk you should know that if a nigga wasn't on 2pac's platform..or in some type of light, a diss record aim'd at him was falling on deaf ears...

The only, only person at that time that could have made a little noise would have been Biggie himself or Mobb Deep, Nas etc..those who were 'known', none of them D lister ass rappers would have made any noise..

.

Lol Cube could've went at Pac(not saying they had beef or he would have) and shut him down. Cube had more fans and was selling as well. Big could've went at Pac but Puff shut that down. Nas like you said could've went at dude as well but they handled their business. Wutang as well but they squashed their little beef too.

Pac had the Deathrow machine behind him. Niggas moreso feared Suge than Pac. We're not going to act like rapper's wasn't selling when Pac popped on the scene. Him going to jail and going at cops made him (in)famous. That made niggas care about his music more. To say he was a lyrical killer on the mic was

Oh and 95% of the niggas on this board never listened to a Pac album before MATW so I don't respect their opinions.

@Knock_Twice

And the Deathrow machine had nothing to do with niggas going at Pac..They were a record company just like any record company that was out folk, Them nigga just had the biggest rapper at the time that was tearing through shit..

All these ppl Pac went at and you mean to tell me NOT one was man enough to make a song about this nigga?? and yall saying oh they could've did this and that now??

Hit em up came out june 1996, that dude was dead three months later. It wasn't like you could go run to studio and have an album out in an hour and get it around the world, shit took time and a real studio, not sitting at home on a computer, to make a song.

On top of that ppl did make songs and more would have come out, had he not went and got himself shot and killed. Then ppl pulled their songs from albums out of respect.

In this pac tale y'all keep telling you act as if it was years and years of being on ppls necks. He came out of jail and was just making songs and subliminals then the interviews in vibe got things bubbling, then hit em up came out, he really started going in heavy, and then he died. Trust me those fall albums from east coast artists would have been going at that dude crazy. When have you known nyc to go run and cower from a nigga?

Nas and them stepped to him at the awards, so what you mean ppl was scared and shook? You guys don't have the full story, you had three months of pac going ham, then you have death. And his actions were leading that way one way or another. There is no "if he lived" cause he couldn't have. Not with his reckless behavior at that time.

To paint him as some wild cowbot that had the whole rap world shook is disingenuous. It's sad tis is the pac that is most remembered, because it was self destructive and foolish and led to two of the biggest rappers getting gunned down, yet ppl worship that dumb shit as if he was doing good things.

The best pac was pre deathrow, me against the world, imo when he was taking it to them white folks politically, talkibg about uplifting communities and showing love for all black ppl. That's the shit that had him being a hip hop bob marley and that's the shit that touched ppl.

Gtfoh with giving high praise to the paranoid gangsta pac for "shutting everyone down." Also its unfair that ppl count the disses on makaveli album as wins when he was already dead at its release. How can you respond to a dead nigga? But that solidified "oh shit he killing them" in a lot of ppls minds.

Like I said I love pac, I love biggie, I love hiphop. I accept the good with the bad, but y'all can't rewrite the history.

your info is faulty

Well here some #facts for you

Your boy pac was raped in jail

He was being extorted by everyone

Suge was stealing so much money from him that even birdman would say "got damn"

And his dumbass got shot the fuck up by orlando anderson...yeah, some random nigga killed this dude that had "everyone shook"

Rip

P.s. jay and nas and puff still living

Now you tell me who won, I see them they run

Lolol

if u from the streets u should know its always the real niggas that end up dead or in jail..

meanwhile the bitch niggas are left to roam the streets..

jus sayin..

If you a "real nigga" then you know jail is for suckers

 

[hiphop12345]

So just to be clear, yall really believe pac would have been able to kill jay z on wax....in real life??

What would he say about Jay? Only thing he would say was that Jay didn't blow up?

 

[bck145]

So just to be clear, yall really believe pac would have been able to kill jay z on wax....in real life??

What would he say about Jay? Only thing he would say was that Jay didn't blow up?

the greatest diss is 2 words...and it's at the beginning of ether that was taken from pac

 

[no2fuks]

I'm from nyc, pac did not get played on hot 97, if you talking about any song other than the Tapachula b biggie msg freestyle , or posthumous pac like end of time are the onlyyyy tracks by pac that were played (if u say anything else your lying) and jay was biggie man for real. You know the whole commission brooklyns finest I love the dough thing. So to say jay would have just been another artist is foolish

Exactly..... Dudes acting like if big and pac didn't die then Jay would be somewhere bagging groceries or flipping burgers

A lot of these dudes was ten or younger, so they minds weren't developed fully. They made everything into comic book tales so when pac died the superhero myth became fact and biggie became enemy.

They say no one else mattered, because in their 10 year old brains, that was true. If biggie had died first, they'd be saying exact opposite shit.

If jay had died after reasonable doubt, but pac still lived up until today, ppl would be saying "if jay had lived he'd have taken the crown from pac because...."

Same way they do about big L taking it from jay had he lived.

Yea the allure of the "what if" is always crazier then the actual fact which normally is something real simple and not so complex....if big and pac had lived Jay still would have blew... You can say he might not have been the biggest rapper half a billionaire still the most popular 20 years later guy and that's up for debate but to say he only blew becuz those 2 passed is way off....Jay wasn't sum lil cease or tony yayo for 50 or something just signed to under big happy to get a look him dame and biggs was working on they own look and they own situation which they were gonna do no matter what..... And the hits were gonna be hits no matter what