Jay-Z Almost Ended 2 pac's Career: DJ Clark Kent Reveals Jay-Z Recorded A 2Pac Diss

[Billy_Poncho]

The IC never misses an opportunity to slob Pac

 

[CapitalB]

killing him on wax ≠ stopping his industry momentum

Folk

you stated this, but who is hearing this record??

When you got a nigga doing 5 million in 2 months off 2 videos..and I'm not even counting how he's all on your TV screen and radio..Who is really checking for an unknown nigga that's making a diss record that most have never heard of??

Niggas down south hadn't even heard of Jay-Z in 96 to be real about the whole situation..

and only Queens niggas heard of 50 Cent when he dropped "Your life's on the line"...

Only South Bronx niggas heard of KRS when he dropped the Bridge is Over...

etc etc

there is the culture and there is the industry...

A lot of people are rap fans morseo hip-hop fans @Brother_Five so the culture is not taken as serious

Big brother Cain, you was around at that time...folk you should know that if a nigga wasn't on 2pac's platform..or in some type of light, a diss record aim'd at him was falling on deaf ears...

The only, only person at that time that could have made a little noise would have been Biggie himself or Mobb Deep, Nas etc..those who were 'known', none of them D lister ass rappers would have made any noise..

.

Lol Cube could've went at Pac(not saying they had beef or he would have) and shut him down. Cube had more fans and was selling as well. Big could've went at Pac but Puff shut that down. Nas like you said could've went at dude as well but they handled their business. Wutang as well but they squashed their little beef too.

Pac had the Deathrow machine behind him. Niggas moreso feared Suge than Pac. We're not going to act like rapper's wasn't selling when Pac popped on the scene. Him going to jail and going at cops made him (in)famous. That made niggas care about his music more. To say he was a lyrical killer on the mic was

Oh and 95% of the niggas on this board never listened to a Pac album before MATW so I don't respect their opinions.

@Knock_Twice

And the Deathrow machine had nothing to do with niggas going at Pac..They were a record company just like any record company that was out folk, Them nigga just had the biggest rapper at the time that was tearing through shit..

All these ppl Pac went at and you mean to tell me NOT one was man enough to make a song about this nigga?? and yall saying oh they could've did this and that now??

Hit em up came out june 1996, that dude was dead three months later. It wasn't like you could go run to studio and have an album out in an hour and get it around the world, shit took time and a real studio, not sitting at home on a computer, to make a song.

On top of that ppl did make songs and more would have come out, had he not went and got himself shot and killed. Then ppl pulled their songs from albums out of respect.

In this pac tale y'all keep telling you act as if it was years and years of being on ppls necks. He came out of jail and was just making songs and subliminals then the interviews in vibe got things bubbling, then hit em up came out, he really started going in heavy, and then he died. Trust me those fall albums from east coast artists would have been going at that dude crazy. When have you known nyc to go run and cower from a nigga?

Nas and them stepped to him at the awards, so what you mean ppl was scared and shook? You guys don't have the full story, you had three months of pac going ham, then you have death. And his actions were leading that way one way or another. There is no "if he lived" cause he couldn't have. Not with his reckless behavior at that time.

To paint him as some wild cowbot that had the whole rap world shook is disingenuous. It's sad tis is the pac that is most remembered, because it was self destructive and foolish and led to two of the biggest rappers getting gunned down, yet ppl worship that dumb shit as if he was doing good things.

The best pac was pre deathrow, me against the world, imo when he was taking it to them white folks politically, talkibg about uplifting communities and showing love for all black ppl. That's the shit that had him being a hip hop bob marley and that's the shit that touched ppl.

Gtfoh with giving high praise to the paranoid gangsta pac for "shutting everyone down." Also its unfair that ppl count the disses on makaveli album as wins when he was already dead at its release. How can you respond to a dead nigga? But that solidified "oh shit he killing them" in a lot of ppls minds.

Like I said I love pac, I love biggie, I love hiphop. I accept the good with the bad, but y'all can't rewrite the history.

your info is faulty

Well here some #facts for you

Your boy pac was raped in jail

He was being extorted by everyone

Suge was stealing so much money from him that even birdman would say "got damn"

And his dumbass got shot the fuck up by orlando anderson...yeah, some random nigga killed this dude that had "everyone shook"

Rip

P.s. jay and nas and puff still living

Now you tell me who won, I see them they run

Lolol

if u from the streets u should know its always the real niggas that end up dead or in jail..

meanwhile the bitch niggas are left to roam the streets..

jus sayin..

If you a "real nigga" then you know jail is for suckers

"when the heard loses its way u kill the bull that led them astray.."

real NIGGAS been getting popped and killed by the systems for generations..

if that wasn't the case King would still be here.. Brother Malcolm.. Pac.. so on and so forth..

all the way down to the street level..

its the snitches and bitches who live long for the most part..

now lemme guess..

u from the suburbs too huh?? lol

 

[kingofkingz]

The system isn't designed for niggas in our favor but that's another topic

Commercial success was a gift & a curse for the ny rap scene..

It's sad how the situation ended 2 gifted lives... the world & hip hop will never get another tupac shakur or biggie smalls

 

[T. Sanford]

I been saying that Diddy killed NY hip hop for awhile

 

[CapitalB]

whats crazy is i used to get clowned growin up cause i loved the whole badboy movement.. use to bump missy and all that shit..

i was 13/14 arouns the height of the beef..

and my cousins use to play hit'em up whenever we was in the car together..

i jus wasnt feelin pac like that outside a few songs..

nigga was always angry i use to say.. I wanted to dance. hahahaa

but nah.. Jay aint stand a fuckin chance..

u could tell the way Pac would get at him he was fuckin irrelevant. lol

 

[hiphop12345]

So just to be clear, yall really believe pac would have been able to kill jay z on wax....in real life??

What would he say about Jay? Only thing he would say was that Jay didn't blow up?

the greatest diss is 2 words...and it's at the beginning of ether that was taken from pac

That's it?

What would Pac say about Jay? Talk about looks maybe? Jay had more ammo towards pac than vice versa.

 

[hiphop12345]

Jay couldnt end Nas when he was at the height of his career with a diss song (Takeover) on his best album ( Blueprint). Pac had the whole east coast shook if Pac never died the east coast wouldnt have blown up like that. Only east coast artists eating when pac was alive was Biggie, wu-tang, mobb deep and nas other than that pac had a strangle hold on all east coast music.

You people are delusional.

 

[bck145]

So just to be clear, yall really believe pac would have been able to kill jay z on wax....in real life??

What would he say about Jay? Only thing he would say was that Jay didn't blow up?

the greatest diss is 2 words...and it's at the beginning of ether that was taken from pac

That's it?

What would Pac say about Jay? Talk about looks maybe? Jay had more ammo towards pac than vice versa.

I don't know, ask tupac what he would of said...he ripped everyone he went at regardless of "ammo" or not

 

[5 Grand]

For anybody that really wants to know what the vibe was like in New York, I posted Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape in another thread. You'd have to listen to the entire tape to have anything intelligent to say.

If you haven't heard Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape you can't really comment on the climate of Hip Hop in 1996. Niggaz in New York were copping mix tapes. CDs and tapes weren't really selling.
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...-96-addressing-the-pac-west-coast-beef#latest

 

[hiphop12345]

So just to be clear, yall really believe pac would have been able to kill jay z on wax....in real life??

What would he say about Jay? Only thing he would say was that Jay didn't blow up?

the greatest diss is 2 words...and it's at the beginning of ether that was taken from pac

That's it?

What would Pac say about Jay? Talk about looks maybe? Jay had more ammo towards pac than vice versa.

I don't know, ask tupac what he would of said...he ripped everyone he went at regardless of "ammo" or not

Jay was covered. Mobb deep was short and P have sickle cell(which isn't funny to me), Big was fat, laid back, and the faith issue. Jay was what? Independent, a hustler, connected, had paper outside of rap(though exaggerated).

Now Pac: Clapped up, beat up, was a underling doing suspect dances, had suspect photos, Janet thought he had AIDS, tried to be down with New York Hustlers, couldn't rhyme as well as Jay, needed to link up with Suge to protect him from the NY hustlers he tried to be down with, etc.

Be objective people and move past nostalgia.

 

[supergangster]

here is a proof of Pac not be the one he claim to be. Pac dissed Prodigy but when Pac saw Prodigy in person he didn't do anything?

That picture was before 2Pac was even on Death Row. It looks like he's wearing an Above The Rim shirt and that movie came out in 1994, and what do you know Above The Rim just happened to be filmed in New York. I doubt Pac even knew who Prodigy was at that point as The Infamous hadn't even come out yet and the only album they'd released was Juvenile Hell.

thats after Prodigy drop a gem on em

 

[TheRealness91]

Who cares they both made good music at the end of the day. Lol this shit is old news.

 

[Louis Devinear]

killing him on wax ≠ stopping his industry momentum

Folk

you stated this, but who is hearing this record??

When you got a nigga doing 5 million in 2 months off 2 videos..and I'm not even counting how he's all on your TV screen and radio..Who is really checking for an unknown nigga that's making a diss record that most have never heard of??

Niggas down south hadn't even heard of Jay-Z in 96 to be real about the whole situation..

and only Queens niggas heard of 50 Cent when he dropped "Your life's on the line"...

Only South Bronx niggas heard of KRS when he dropped the Bridge is Over...

etc etc

there is the culture and there is the industry...

A lot of people are rap fans morseo hip-hop fans @Brother_Five so the culture is not taken as serious

Big brother Cain, you was around at that time...folk you should know that if a nigga wasn't on 2pac's platform..or in some type of light, a diss record aim'd at him was falling on deaf ears...

The only, only person at that time that could have made a little noise would have been Biggie himself or Mobb Deep, Nas etc..those who were 'known', none of them D lister ass rappers would have made any noise..

.

Lol Cube could've went at Pac(not saying they had beef or he would have) and shut him down. Cube had more fans and was selling as well. Big could've went at Pac but Puff shut that down. Nas like you said could've went at dude as well but they handled their business. Wutang as well but they squashed their little beef too.

Pac had the Deathrow machine behind him. Niggas moreso feared Suge than Pac. We're not going to act like rapper's wasn't selling when Pac popped on the scene. Him going to jail and going at cops made him (in)famous. That made niggas care about his music more. To say he was a lyrical killer on the mic was

Oh and 95% of the niggas on this board never listened to a Pac album before MATW so I don't respect their opinions.

@Knock_Twice

And the Deathrow machine had nothing to do with niggas going at Pac..They were a record company just like any record company that was out folk, Them nigga just had the biggest rapper at the time that was tearing through shit..

All these ppl Pac went at and you mean to tell me NOT one was man enough to make a song about this nigga?? and yall saying oh they could've did this and that now??

Hit em up came out june 1996, that dude was dead three months later. It wasn't like you could go run to studio and have an album out in an hour and get it around the world, shit took time and a real studio, not sitting at home on a computer, to make a song.

On top of that ppl did make songs and more would have come out, had he not went and got himself shot and killed. Then ppl pulled their songs from albums out of respect.

In this pac tale y'all keep telling you act as if it was years and years of being on ppls necks. He came out of jail and was just making songs and subliminals then the interviews in vibe got things bubbling, then hit em up came out, he really started going in heavy, and then he died. Trust me those fall albums from east coast artists would have been going at that dude crazy. When have you known nyc to go run and cower from a nigga?

Nas and them stepped to him at the awards, so what you mean ppl was scared and shook? You guys don't have the full story, you had three months of pac going ham, then you have death. And his actions were leading that way one way or another. There is no "if he lived" cause he couldn't have. Not with his reckless behavior at that time.

To paint him as some wild cowbot that had the whole rap world shook is disingenuous. It's sad tis is the pac that is most remembered, because it was self destructive and foolish and led to two of the biggest rappers getting gunned down, yet ppl worship that dumb shit as if he was doing good things.

The best pac was pre deathrow, me against the world, imo when he was taking it to them white folks politically, talkibg about uplifting communities and showing love for all black ppl. That's the shit that had him being a hip hop bob marley and that's the shit that touched ppl.

Gtfoh with giving high praise to the paranoid gangsta pac for "shutting everyone down." Also its unfair that ppl count the disses on makaveli album as wins when he was already dead at its release. How can you respond to a dead nigga? But that solidified "oh shit he killing them" in a lot of ppls minds.

Like I said I love pac, I love biggie, I love hiphop. I accept the good with the bad, but y'all can't rewrite the history.

your info is faulty

Well here some #facts for you

Your boy pac was raped in jail

He was being extorted by everyone

Suge was stealing so much money from him that even birdman would say "got damn"

And his dumbass got shot the fuck up by orlando anderson...yeah, some random nigga killed this dude that had "everyone shook"

Rip

P.s. jay and nas and puff still living

Now you tell me who won, I see them they run

Lolol

if u from the streets u should know its always the real niggas that end up dead or in jail..

meanwhile the bitch niggas are left to roam the streets..

jus sayin..

If you a "real nigga" then you know jail is for suckers

"when the heard loses its way u kill the bull that led them astray.."

real NIGGAS been getting popped and killed by the systems for generations..

if that wasn't the case King would still be here.. Brother Malcolm.. Pac.. so on and so forth..

all the way down to the street level..

its the snitches and bitches who live long for the most part..

now lemme guess..

u from the suburbs too huh?? lol

But none of the people you mentioned died or did life in prison. And if you were to ask them they would of said the same shit.

Jail is for suckas

And to answer your question. Nah ain't no suburb in me. I'm from East New York, Brooklyn.

 

[dalyricalbandit]

NY was good money with Music back in 96

 

[bck145]

So just to be clear, yall really believe pac would have been able to kill jay z on wax....in real life??

What would he say about Jay? Only thing he would say was that Jay didn't blow up?

the greatest diss is 2 words...and it's at the beginning of ether that was taken from pac

That's it?

What would Pac say about Jay? Talk about looks maybe? Jay had more ammo towards pac than vice versa.

I don't know, ask tupac what he would of said...he ripped everyone he went at regardless of "ammo" or not

Jay was covered. Mobb deep was shot and P have sickle cell(which isn't funny to me), Big was fat, laid back, and the faith issue. Jay was what? Independent, a hustler, connected, had paper outside of rap(though exaggerated).

Now Pac: Clapped up, beat up, was a underling doing suspect dances, had suspect photos, Janet thought he had AIDS, tried to be down with New York Hustlers, couldn't rhyme as well as Jay, needed to link up with Suge to protect him from the NY hustlers he tried to be down with, etc.

Be objective people and move past nostalgia.

well considering pac still dissed him multiple times and he didn't blow up until after pac's death....I'm pretty sure pac could of kept going on him if need be

 

[bck145]

For anybody that really wants to know what the vibe was like in New York, I posted Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape in another thread. You'd have to listen to the entire tape to have anything intelligent to say.

If you haven't heard Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape you can't really comment on the climate of Hip Hop in 1996. Niggaz in New York were copping mix tapes. CDs and tapes weren't really selling.
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...-96-addressing-the-pac-west-coast-beef#latest

new York was no longer the heart of hip hop in 96

and that mixtape is trash

 

[Louis Devinear]

For anybody that really wants to know what the vibe was like in New York, I posted Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape in another thread. You'd have to listen to the entire tape to have anything intelligent to say.

If you haven't heard Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape you can't really comment on the climate of Hip Hop in 1996. Niggaz in New York were copping mix tapes. CDs and tapes weren't really selling.
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...-96-addressing-the-pac-west-coast-beef#latest

new York was no longer the heart of hip hop in 96

and that mixtape is trash

Wtf are you talking about bruh? New York ain't lose its stranglehold on hip hop till the mid 2000's

 

[bck145]

For anybody that really wants to know what the vibe was like in New York, I posted Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape in another thread. You'd have to listen to the entire tape to have anything intelligent to say.

If you haven't heard Doo Wop's Summer Jam 96 mixtape you can't really comment on the climate of Hip Hop in 1996. Niggaz in New York were copping mix tapes. CDs and tapes weren't really selling.
http://community.allhiphop.com/disc...-96-addressing-the-pac-west-coast-beef#latest

new York was no longer the heart of hip hop in 96

and that mixtape is trash

Wtf are you talking about bruh? New York ain't lose its stranglehold on hip hop till the mid 2000's

no no no...I broke this down awhile ago...new York lost its strong hold early 90's and didn't get it back til late 90's

after pac's death when ppl stopped clowning on new York rappers

 

[phukkyou2]

So just to be clear, yall really believe pac would have been able to kill jay z on wax....in real life??

What would he say about Jay? Only thing he would say was that Jay didn't blow up?

the greatest diss is 2 words...and it's at the beginning of ether that was taken from pac

That's it?

What would Pac say about Jay? Talk about looks maybe? Jay had more ammo towards pac than vice versa.

I don't know, ask tupac what he would of said...he ripped everyone he went at regardless of "ammo" or not

Jay was covered. Mobb deep was shot and P have sickle cell(which isn't funny to me), Big was fat, laid back, and the faith issue. Jay was what? Independent, a hustler, connected, had paper outside of rap(though exaggerated).

Now Pac: Clapped up, beat up, was a underling doing suspect dances, had suspect photos, Janet thought he had AIDS, tried to be down with New York Hustlers, couldn't rhyme as well as Jay, needed to link up with Suge to protect him from the NY hustlers he tried to be down with, etc.

Be objective people and move past nostalgia.

Jay: been in the game for almost 10 years by then and still hadn't blown up, dropped a fluke of an album that no one cared for, came out first with "pretty boy rap" then went to das efx wannabe then switched to Italian mafia rapper, and rolled with a bunch of ny's elite and still couldn't make it past the new york area

Pac: Too much to brag about

If you want to be objective then be objective. Just not selectively objective

 

[phukkyou2]

killing him on wax ≠ stopping his industry momentum

Folk

you stated this, but who is hearing this record??

When you got a nigga doing 5 million in 2 months off 2 videos..and I'm not even counting how he's all on your TV screen and radio..Who is really checking for an unknown nigga that's making a diss record that most have never heard of??

Niggas down south hadn't even heard of Jay-Z in 96 to be real about the whole situation..

and only Queens niggas heard of 50 Cent when he dropped "Your life's on the line"...

Only South Bronx niggas heard of KRS when he dropped the Bridge is Over...

etc etc

there is the culture and there is the industry...

A lot of people are rap fans morseo hip-hop fans @Brother_Five so the culture is not taken as serious

Big brother Cain, you was around at that time...folk you should know that if a nigga wasn't on 2pac's platform..or in some type of light, a diss record aim'd at him was falling on deaf ears...

The only, only person at that time that could have made a little noise would have been Biggie himself or Mobb Deep, Nas etc..those who were 'known', none of them D lister ass rappers would have made any noise..

.

Lol Cube could've went at Pac(not saying they had beef or he would have) and shut him down. Cube had more fans and was selling as well. Big could've went at Pac but Puff shut that down. Nas like you said could've went at dude as well but they handled their business. Wutang as well but they squashed their little beef too.

Pac had the Deathrow machine behind him. Niggas moreso feared Suge than Pac. We're not going to act like rapper's wasn't selling when Pac popped on the scene. Him going to jail and going at cops made him (in)famous. That made niggas care about his music more. To say he was a lyrical killer on the mic was

Oh and 95% of the niggas on this board never listened to a Pac album before MATW so I don't respect their opinions.

@Knock_Twice

And the Deathrow machine had nothing to do with niggas going at Pac..They were a record company just like any record company that was out folk, Them nigga just had the biggest rapper at the time that was tearing through shit..

All these ppl Pac went at and you mean to tell me NOT one was man enough to make a song about this nigga?? and yall saying oh they could've did this and that now??

Hit em up came out june 1996, that dude was dead three months later. It wasn't like you could go run to studio and have an album out in an hour and get it around the world, shit took time and a real studio, not sitting at home on a computer, to make a song.

On top of that ppl did make songs and more would have come out, had he not went and got himself shot and killed. Then ppl pulled their songs from albums out of respect.

In this pac tale y'all keep telling you act as if it was years and years of being on ppls necks. He came out of jail and was just making songs and subliminals then the interviews in vibe got things bubbling, then hit em up came out, he really started going in heavy, and then he died. Trust me those fall albums from east coast artists would have been going at that dude crazy. When have you known nyc to go run and cower from a nigga?

Nas and them stepped to him at the awards, so what you mean ppl was scared and shook? You guys don't have the full story, you had three months of pac going ham, then you have death. And his actions were leading that way one way or another. There is no "if he lived" cause he couldn't have. Not with his reckless behavior at that time.

To paint him as some wild cowbot that had the whole rap world shook is disingenuous. It's sad tis is the pac that is most remembered, because it was self destructive and foolish and led to two of the biggest rappers getting gunned down, yet ppl worship that dumb shit as if he was doing good things.

The best pac was pre deathrow, me against the world, imo when he was taking it to them white folks politically, talkibg about uplifting communities and showing love for all black ppl. That's the shit that had him being a hip hop bob marley and that's the shit that touched ppl.

Gtfoh with giving high praise to the paranoid gangsta pac for "shutting everyone down." Also its unfair that ppl count the disses on makaveli album as wins when he was already dead at its release. How can you respond to a dead nigga? But that solidified "oh shit he killing them" in a lot of ppls minds.

Like I said I love pac, I love biggie, I love hiphop. I accept the good with the bad, but y'all can't rewrite the history.

your info is faulty

Well here some #facts for you

Your boy pac was raped in jail

He was being extorted by everyone

Suge was stealing so much money from him that even birdman would say "got damn"

And his dumbass got shot the fuck up by orlando anderson...yeah, some random nigga killed this dude that had "everyone shook"

Rip

P.s. jay and nas and puff still living

Now you tell me who won, I see them they run

Lolol

if u from the streets u should know its always the real niggas that end up dead or in jail..

meanwhile the bitch niggas are left to roam the streets..

jus sayin..

If you a "real nigga" then you know jail is for suckers

"when the heard loses its way u kill the bull that led them astray.."

real NIGGAS been getting popped and killed by the systems for generations..

if that wasn't the case King would still be here.. Brother Malcolm.. Pac.. so on and so forth..

all the way down to the street level..

its the snitches and bitches who live long for the most part..

now lemme guess..

u from the suburbs too huh?? lol

But none of the people you mentioned died or did life in prison. And if you were to ask them they would of said the same shit.

Jail is for suckas

And to answer your question. Nah ain't no suburb in me. I'm from East New York, Brooklyn.

His point was that gettin locked up wasn't and isn't something One aspires to do (unless you're homeless and you need a Place to stay becuz of weather related reasons).

Alotta Brothaz (and Sistaz) got caught up because The System was out to get us in the first place, not the other way around. Mistaken identity and False imprisonment was pretty common back then and I wouldn't doubt that it still goes on alot today depending on where you live