Is it fair to say that the gods or our higher power is lazy? Or just incapable?

[kingblaze84]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

 

[kingblaze84]

Evil isn't rewarded it's just the easier path so many walk it.

Evil isn't rewarded throughout history? As if the British Empire and others didn't get fantastically rich off oppression and stealing from other people? The Spanish Empire made a total fortune after obliterating the Native Americans, and this seems to happen over and over again throughout history.

On earth it appears rewarded, but spiritually they are empty vessels with no worth.

Soul will pay the ultimate price. Go to hell when you sell.

I sincerely hope you're right....

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Evil isn't rewarded it's just the easier path so many walk it.

Evil isn't rewarded throughout history? As if the British Empire and others didn't get fantastically rich off oppression and stealing from other people? The Spanish Empire made a total fortune after obliterating the Native Americans, and this seems to happen over and over again throughout history.

On earth it appears rewarded, but spiritually they are empty vessels with no worth.

Spiritually I agree with you, I couldn't go to sleep at night doing the things Columbus and the other nutjobs of history did.

What's funny about what you said though is that so many people, especially Christians, find a LOT of worth in Columbus. Even in liberal NYC, Columbus has a bunch of places and even some statues named after him. And Earth tends to reward evil behavior, from Genghis Khan to Andrew Jackson, so I wonder sometimes if the spiritual path is even that impactful. The deep spirituality of the Native Americans and the Tasmanians didn't protect them......no gods protected them from those with no real soul or sense of humanity.

I still consider myself to be somewhat spiritual, but I can't help but notice these things.

It is not meant to protect you from evils, in that you are veiled in a godly bubble that no bad thing can penetrate. The protection is spiritual/mental. Like buddha or jesus, ever unwavering. Unshakable against the evil's of man.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

I don't understand why you don't see parasites as having been given life as equally as anything that has been given life. A deformity is just a body, tho humans are so wrapped up in image a deformity is the most rudest blow from god but god might say, it's just a body, is not what it contains infinitely more important?

 

[kingblaze84]

LOL oh lord......I'll be back

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

LOL oh lord......I'll be back

Ok I'm prepping to smoke a bowl so just a forewarning my comprehension level is gonna hit the deck.

 

[kingblaze84]

LOL oh lord......I'll be back

Ok I'm prepping to smoke a bowl so just a forewarning my comprehension level is gonna hit the deck.

LMAO.......I'm puffing on my vaporizer soon, so this should be interesting.

 

[kingblaze84]

Evil isn't rewarded it's just the easier path so many walk it.

Evil isn't rewarded throughout history? As if the British Empire and others didn't get fantastically rich off oppression and stealing from other people? The Spanish Empire made a total fortune after obliterating the Native Americans, and this seems to happen over and over again throughout history.

On earth it appears rewarded, but spiritually they are empty vessels with no worth.

Spiritually I agree with you, I couldn't go to sleep at night doing the things Columbus and the other nutjobs of history did.

What's funny about what you said though is that so many people, especially Christians, find a LOT of worth in Columbus. Even in liberal NYC, Columbus has a bunch of places and even some statues named after him. And Earth tends to reward evil behavior, from Genghis Khan to Andrew Jackson, so I wonder sometimes if the spiritual path is even that impactful. The deep spirituality of the Native Americans and the Tasmanians didn't protect them......no gods protected them from those with no real soul or sense of humanity.

I still consider myself to be somewhat spiritual, but I can't help but notice these things.

It is not meant to protect you from evils, in that you are veiled in a godly bubble that no bad thing can penetrate. The protection is spiritual/mental. Like buddha or jesus, ever unwavering. Unshakable against the evil's of man.

I certainly respect the premise of this post. I'm sure the Tasmanians and the natives were very brave in the face of pressure, greed and at times lust. But unfortunately, they did break in the end, the natives committed mass suicides when they realized Columbus and his soldiers were winning, and the Tasmanians lost so much hope in the world that they stopped having kids and according to British sociologists, grew very sad at how their way of life was changed.

I definitely hope they're in a better place now, but to a large degree, their hope faded. Native Americans have the highest alcoholic rates up until this day.

 

[kingblaze84]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

I don't understand why you don't see parasites as having been given life as equally as anything that has been given life. A deformity is just a body, tho humans are so wrapped up in image a deformity is the most rudest blow from god but god might say, it's just a body, is not what it contains infinitely more important?

A body is just a body? Come on madam. If there is a god looking down on us somewhere, it should know just how important our body is. A HUUUUGE part of who we are is based on our appearance, not completely of course but if you got the Elephant Man disease tomorrow for example, wouldn't your personality change drastically?

I'm sure any god that made us (assuming that god is still alive or cares) would understand just how important our physical bodies are. And wait, parasites hold the same value as human life now? Aren't people supposed to be special? If not, then I guess every human on Earth is going to hell, we kill thousands of things every year......otherwise, parasites cause a ton of agony out there in the world and for some STRANGE reason, the universe creates MILLIONS of parasites a year, maybe more. And of course, kids suffer the most from these things, which is what bothers me the most.

 

[sunlord]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

yeah but the child does not know what's best, serious genetic deformities are rare the vast majority of people don't die from strange parasites and believe it or not death is a good thing and trails and tribulations make people stronger. the world is in a sinful fallen state and man is evil so most of our issue don't come from nature but from ourselves on a deeper level mankind with the guidance of Satan literally corrupted the reality god created

therefore a just god has to allow some suffering

 

[sunlord]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

I don't understand why you don't see parasites as having been given life as equally as anything that has been given life. A deformity is just a body, tho humans are so wrapped up in image a deformity is the most rudest blow from god but god might say, it's just a body, is not what it contains infinitely more important?

A body is just a body? Come on madam. If there is a god looking down on us somewhere, it should know just how important our body is. A HUUUUGE part of who we are is based on our appearance, not completely of course but if you got the Elephant Man disease tomorrow for example, wouldn't your personality change drastically?

I'm sure any god that made us (assuming that god is still alive or cares) would understand just how important our physical bodies are. And wait, parasites hold the same value as human life now? Aren't people supposed to be special? If not, then I guess every human on Earth is going to hell, we kill thousands of things every year......otherwise, parasites cause a ton of agony out there in the world and for some STRANGE reason, the universe creates MILLIONS of parasites a year, maybe more. And of course, kids suffer the most from these things, which is what bothers me the most.

One of the principle messages of the bible is that your body it not as important as it seem to you.

 

[kingblaze84]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

yeah but the child does not know what's best, serious genetic deformities are rare the vast majority of people don't die from strange parasites and believe it or not death is a good thing and trails and tribulations make people stronger. the world is in a sinful fallen state and man is evil so most of our issue don't come from nature but from ourselves on a deeper level mankind with the guidance of Satan literally corrupted the reality god created

therefore a just god has to allow some suffering

For overpopulation checks and balances, I agree death in some ways is a good thing. But the suffering is pretty massive worldwide if you really think about it, I agree most don't die from parasites or deformities, but a huge amount of people do.

Many people are evil for sure, but why allow the innocent children to suffer? A just god TO ME would not let so many children suffer out here, a truly just god would at least do something to reduce the massive agony so many children and adults have out there, why should millions of parasites and diseases be created every year? If people are really that bad, then what does that say about our creator? Wouldn't that make god just as evil, if humans are that bad?

Like I said before, it seems evil gets rewarded in this world, and we didn't make this world.....

 

[kingblaze84]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

I don't understand why you don't see parasites as having been given life as equally as anything that has been given life. A deformity is just a body, tho humans are so wrapped up in image a deformity is the most rudest blow from god but god might say, it's just a body, is not what it contains infinitely more important?

A body is just a body? Come on madam. If there is a god looking down on us somewhere, it should know just how important our body is. A HUUUUGE part of who we are is based on our appearance, not completely of course but if you got the Elephant Man disease tomorrow for example, wouldn't your personality change drastically?

I'm sure any god that made us (assuming that god is still alive or cares) would understand just how important our physical bodies are. And wait, parasites hold the same value as human life now? Aren't people supposed to be special? If not, then I guess every human on Earth is going to hell, we kill thousands of things every year......otherwise, parasites cause a ton of agony out there in the world and for some STRANGE reason, the universe creates MILLIONS of parasites a year, maybe more. And of course, kids suffer the most from these things, which is what bothers me the most.

One of the principle messages of the bible is that your body it not as important as it seem to you.

But our body is all we have in this world. Take away our brain, and what do we have? Take away our heart, and we're no longer alive. Take away our legs, and we can't walk and life gets really difficult, a bunch of places out there aren't wheelchair accessible.

So I don't understand that premise, without our body, what do we have?

 

[sunlord]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

yeah but the child does not know what's best, serious genetic deformities are rare the vast majority of people don't die from strange parasites and believe it or not death is a good thing and trails and tribulations make people stronger. the world is in a sinful fallen state and man is evil so most of our issue don't come from nature but from ourselves on a deeper level mankind with the guidance of Satan literally corrupted the reality god created

therefore a just god has to allow some suffering

For overpopulation checks and balances, I agree death in some ways is a good thing. But the suffering is pretty massive worldwide if you really think about it, I agree most don't die from parasites or deformities, but a huge amount of people do.

Many people are evil for sure, but why allow the innocent children to suffer? A just god TO ME would not let so many children suffer out here, a truly just god would at least do something to reduce the massive agony so many children and adults have out there, why should millions of parasites and diseases be created every year? If people are really that bad, then what does that say about our creator? Wouldn't that make god just as evil, if humans are that bad?

Like I said before, it seems evil gets rewarded in this world, and we didn't make this world.....

No it's not massive especially in this time, we live soft and easy lives compared to how people in the past lived, there are over 3 billion people on earth and almost no one dies from parasites and many of those who do only die BECAUSE people in wealthy positions or positions of power HAVE NOT given them the proper medicine or clean water. we ALLOW our fellow man to suffer needlessly and then some of us blame god for it.

innocent children suffer at the hands of evil men because those men make the choice to do bad things or choose not to do the right thing. You are wrong because in a sense we did make this world, one of the messages of Genesis is that the world was once perfect but we corrupted it and so now we have suffering.... that's a metaphysical message.

 

[sunlord]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

I don't understand why you don't see parasites as having been given life as equally as anything that has been given life. A deformity is just a body, tho humans are so wrapped up in image a deformity is the most rudest blow from god but god might say, it's just a body, is not what it contains infinitely more important?

A body is just a body? Come on madam. If there is a god looking down on us somewhere, it should know just how important our body is. A HUUUUGE part of who we are is based on our appearance, not completely of course but if you got the Elephant Man disease tomorrow for example, wouldn't your personality change drastically?

I'm sure any god that made us (assuming that god is still alive or cares) would understand just how important our physical bodies are. And wait, parasites hold the same value as human life now? Aren't people supposed to be special? If not, then I guess every human on Earth is going to hell, we kill thousands of things every year......otherwise, parasites cause a ton of agony out there in the world and for some STRANGE reason, the universe creates MILLIONS of parasites a year, maybe more. And of course, kids suffer the most from these things, which is what bothers me the most.

One of the principle messages of the bible is that your body it not as important as it seem to you.

But our body is all we have in this world. Take away our brain, and what do we have? Take away our heart, and we're no longer alive. Take away our legs, and we can't walk and life gets really difficult, a bunch of places out there aren't wheelchair accessible.

So I don't understand that premise, without our body, what do we have?

NO IT'S NOT. we have our minds and spirit

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I just realized that's probably @zombie

 

[kingblaze84]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

yeah but the child does not know what's best, serious genetic deformities are rare the vast majority of people don't die from strange parasites and believe it or not death is a good thing and trails and tribulations make people stronger. the world is in a sinful fallen state and man is evil so most of our issue don't come from nature but from ourselves on a deeper level mankind with the guidance of Satan literally corrupted the reality god created

therefore a just god has to allow some suffering

For overpopulation checks and balances, I agree death in some ways is a good thing. But the suffering is pretty massive worldwide if you really think about it, I agree most don't die from parasites or deformities, but a huge amount of people do.

Many people are evil for sure, but why allow the innocent children to suffer? A just god TO ME would not let so many children suffer out here, a truly just god would at least do something to reduce the massive agony so many children and adults have out there, why should millions of parasites and diseases be created every year? If people are really that bad, then what does that say about our creator? Wouldn't that make god just as evil, if humans are that bad?

Like I said before, it seems evil gets rewarded in this world, and we didn't make this world.....

No it's not massive especially in this time, we live soft and easy lives compared to how people in the past lived, there are over 3 billion people on earth and almost no one dies from parasites and many of those who do only die BECAUSE people in wealthy positions or positions of power HAVE NOT given them the proper medicine or clean water. we ALLOW our fellow man to suffer needlessly and then some of us blame god for it.

innocent children suffer at the hands of evil men because those men make the choice to do bad things or choose not to do the right thing. You are wrong because in a sense we did make this world, one of the messages of Genesis is that the world was once perfect but we corrupted it and so now we have suffering.... that's a metaphysical message.

LOL HAHAHA but we didn't make this world though, Zombie is that you?

How can you say almost no one dies from parasites, do you even watch the news? MANY CHILDREN worldwide die from hostile disease and parasites every day, by the hundreds of thousands and maybe millions a year, often in very painful ways. Plenty of people are trying to help solve these problems, and meanwhile, what is your god doing, aside from making millions of new parasites and disease each day? Innocent children suffer not just from other people, but mother nature itself. It's very bizarre to me and stop saying humans corrupted the world, we didn't create hurricanes or whatever random parasite you want to think of.

 

[kingblaze84]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

I don't understand why you don't see parasites as having been given life as equally as anything that has been given life. A deformity is just a body, tho humans are so wrapped up in image a deformity is the most rudest blow from god but god might say, it's just a body, is not what it contains infinitely more important?

A body is just a body? Come on madam. If there is a god looking down on us somewhere, it should know just how important our body is. A HUUUUGE part of who we are is based on our appearance, not completely of course but if you got the Elephant Man disease tomorrow for example, wouldn't your personality change drastically?

I'm sure any god that made us (assuming that god is still alive or cares) would understand just how important our physical bodies are. And wait, parasites hold the same value as human life now? Aren't people supposed to be special? If not, then I guess every human on Earth is going to hell, we kill thousands of things every year......otherwise, parasites cause a ton of agony out there in the world and for some STRANGE reason, the universe creates MILLIONS of parasites a year, maybe more. And of course, kids suffer the most from these things, which is what bothers me the most.

One of the principle messages of the bible is that your body it not as important as it seem to you.

But our body is all we have in this world. Take away our brain, and what do we have? Take away our heart, and we're no longer alive. Take away our legs, and we can't walk and life gets really difficult, a bunch of places out there aren't wheelchair accessible.

So I don't understand that premise, without our body, what do we have?

NO IT'S NOT. we have our minds and spirit

I'm talking about for HERE ON EARTH. If you're in a coma or brain dead, the mind can only go so far.

 

[kingblaze84]

I just realized that's probably @zombie

I'm almost certain it's him too, the crazy Jamaican guy. God help us.

 

[sunlord]

People want GOD to be what they want him to be and it does not work that way

That's obvious, but children USUALLY expect the best out of their parents. They don't expect parents to set up booby traps all across their path in the form of horrible diseases, parasites, genetic deformities (signs of an imperfect god?), and hurricanes that drown their brothers and sisters, or their pet cat.

Or should we expect parents to do these things?

I don't understand why you don't see parasites as having been given life as equally as anything that has been given life. A deformity is just a body, tho humans are so wrapped up in image a deformity is the most rudest blow from god but god might say, it's just a body, is not what it contains infinitely more important?

A body is just a body? Come on madam. If there is a god looking down on us somewhere, it should know just how important our body is. A HUUUUGE part of who we are is based on our appearance, not completely of course but if you got the Elephant Man disease tomorrow for example, wouldn't your personality change drastically?

I'm sure any god that made us (assuming that god is still alive or cares) would understand just how important our physical bodies are. And wait, parasites hold the same value as human life now? Aren't people supposed to be special? If not, then I guess every human on Earth is going to hell, we kill thousands of things every year......otherwise, parasites cause a ton of agony out there in the world and for some STRANGE reason, the universe creates MILLIONS of parasites a year, maybe more. And of course, kids suffer the most from these things, which is what bothers me the most.

One of the principle messages of the bible is that your body it not as important as it seem to you.

But our body is all we have in this world. Take away our brain, and what do we have? Take away our heart, and we're no longer alive. Take away our legs, and we can't walk and life gets really difficult, a bunch of places out there aren't wheelchair accessible.

So I don't understand that premise, without our body, what do we have?

NO IT'S NOT. we have our minds and spirit

I'm talking about for HERE ON EARTH. If you're in a coma or brain dead, the mind can only go so far.

if you are in a coma or brain dead you don't have any problems because you won't be conscious of anything.