Is it fair to say that the gods or our higher power is lazy? Or just incapable?

[osirus1]

Religion is interesting in such a way that there is an answer for everything and the best part about it is, it does not have to make sense !!! If it does not make sense to you then your faith is not strong enough and you are not truely committed to the religion. I believe a higher power, I believe in God and he is very capable but the price of freedom is some level of chaos.

In Christian dogma one cannot really have God have more control over their life unless they let him in and live in his word. Religion is what is keeping that woman hopeful and accepting of her poor childs situation, where as in other places and times the poor child would have been discarded. Maybe her letting God into her heart , allows him to control her feelings and pain. Yes God could have simply just prevented the lil girl from being born the way that she is. He did not, and we will never understand divine logic.

Sometimes, it is easier just not thinking about it at all, which is why i think some people would rather just be Atheists

 

[808HiLife808]

@808HiLife808

I just finished reading the book Sapiens.....I gotta say, after reading it, I lost a lot of respect for humanity. Of course, humanity has accomplished a lot, but at the terrible sacrifice, torture and misery of billions of other living things on Earth. Including other humans, but especially farm animals. The chapters in which he describes the human farming system was pretty shocking to me. Humans in general treat other living things very badly.

The author seems to be an atheist, which is very understandable, considering the world we live in. On that note, based on human history, if there are any gods out there, maybe they feel humans don't deserve intervention or help. After reading the book, I can understand why any gods out there may have abandoned us.

Then again, what does that say about the forces that created humanity? If we are indeed made in "god's" image as some religions say, then god must be one scary motherfucker. Great book, that last chapter was deep. One of the top 5 best books I've ever read.

yea. when i finished it, it kind of put humanity as a whole in a different light for me. the part on happiness blew my mind. my friend was telling me that the sequel goes further into the future, but i didnt really ask him if it was as good as the first. i may check it out anyway.

 

[808HiLife808]

Religion is interesting in such a way that there is an answer for everything and the best part about it is, it does not have to make sense !!! If it does not make sense to you then your faith is not strong enough and you are not truely committed to the religion. I believe a higher power, I believe in God and he is very capable but the price of freedom is some level of chaos.

In Christian dogma one cannot really have God have more control over their life unless they let him in and live in his word. Religion is what is keeping that woman hopeful and accepting of her poor childs situation, where as in other places and times the poor child would have been discarded. Maybe her letting God into her heart , allows him to control her feelings and pain. Yes God could have simply just prevented the lil girl from being born the way that she is. He did not, and we will never understand divine logic.

Sometimes, it is easier just not thinking about it at all, which is why i think some people would rather just be Atheists

you would just rather blindly follow something with neither rhyme nor reason? the fact that there can be an answer for everything even if it doesnt make sense means that people can contort the answers to however they see fit. if god was all powerful, why do you "need" to accept him? why does the "devil" get credit for the bad things and negativity that happen?

 

[kingblaze84]

@808HiLife808

I just finished reading the book Sapiens.....I gotta say, after reading it, I lost a lot of respect for humanity. Of course, humanity has accomplished a lot, but at the terrible sacrifice, torture and misery of billions of other living things on Earth. Including other humans, but especially farm animals. The chapters in which he describes the human farming system was pretty shocking to me. Humans in general treat other living things very badly.

The author seems to be an atheist, which is very understandable, considering the world we live in. On that note, based on human history, if there are any gods out there, maybe they feel humans don't deserve intervention or help. After reading the book, I can understand why any gods out there may have abandoned us.

Then again, what does that say about the forces that created humanity? If we are indeed made in "god's" image as some religions say, then god must be one scary motherfucker. Great book, that last chapter was deep. One of the top 5 best books I've ever read.

yea. when i finished it, it kind of put humanity as a whole in a different light for me. the part on happiness blew my mind. my friend was telling me that the sequel goes further into the future, but i didnt really ask him if it was as good as the first. i may check it out anyway.

I'm so impressed with the book that I may check out the sequel too, although it's hard to say for sure what humanity's future holds. The part on happiness was interesting, we find ways to amuse ourselves and get fun out of life, but many if not most of us still have some kind of dissatisfaction with something. People as a whole are never fully satisfied, we're always wanting or desiring something, even if we don't really need it. The Buddha was pretty accurate on happiness, IMO.

 

[kingblaze84]

Religion is interesting in such a way that there is an answer for everything and the best part about it is, it does not have to make sense !!! If it does not make sense to you then your faith is not strong enough and you are not truely committed to the religion. I believe a higher power, I believe in God and he is very capable but the price of freedom is some level of chaos.

In Christian dogma one cannot really have God have more control over their life unless they let him in and live in his word. Religion is what is keeping that woman hopeful and accepting of her poor childs situation, where as in other places and times the poor child would have been discarded. Maybe her letting God into her heart , allows him to control her feelings and pain. Yes God could have simply just prevented the lil girl from being born the way that she is. He did not, and we will never understand divine logic.

Sometimes, it is easier just not thinking about it at all, which is why i think some people would rather just be Atheists

I can see where atheists are coming from though, because when I do think about our higher power or higher powers, it raises some disturbing questions, assuming god really is capable. Why so much absence, why surround humans with TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS of harmful bacteria that can paralyze kids at birth and so much worse? Why are animals going through so much misery with humans around, and why the sadistic prey vs predator system?

An atheist has a hard time explaining the seeming design of the world, but an atheist has good points in the serious flaws of what we call a god. The world has a sense of order true, but a sense of natural chaos too. This chaos often has nothing to do with people or freedom, it just happens. Hurricanes and earthquakes are examples, is this capable god you speak of purposely allowing these earthquakes, hurricanes, and bacteria to torture humans and others?

Is it possible this capable god you speak of is somewhat sadistic, maybe enjoying the suffering and pain many humans (and animals) go through? After all, you make it seem as if it's aware of humanity's problems, yet it uses its power to stand by.

 

[osirus1]

Religion is interesting in such a way that there is an answer for everything and the best part about it is, it does not have to make sense !!! If it does not make sense to you then your faith is not strong enough and you are not truely committed to the religion. I believe a higher power, I believe in God and he is very capable but the price of freedom is some level of chaos.

In Christian dogma one cannot really have God have more control over their life unless they let him in and live in his word. Religion is what is keeping that woman hopeful and accepting of her poor childs situation, where as in other places and times the poor child would have been discarded. Maybe her letting God into her heart , allows him to control her feelings and pain. Yes God could have simply just prevented the lil girl from being born the way that she is. He did not, and we will never understand divine logic.

Sometimes, it is easier just not thinking about it at all, which is why i think some people would rather just be Atheists

you would just rather blindly follow something with neither rhyme nor reason? the fact that there can be an answer for everything even if it doesnt make sense means that people can contort the answers to however they see fit. if god was all powerful, why do you "need" to accept him? why does the "devil" get credit for the bad things and negativity that happen?

Faith is strange because it creates the illusion of sight, so one who is faithful does not really believe they are moving blindly. Me personally, no I cannot blindly follow religion completely, that is why I do not consider myself a true Christian, because I question the faith in itself, but i do not question the existence of God.

Religion is designed in such a way that if something comes up that makes you question it, all you have to do is use the logic that some evil force is manipulating your mind. The faith has an answer for all that start to question. Imagine for instance if God came from the sky speaking Arabic and claiming Islam is the true religion, many Christians would believe it is an illusion of the devil, rather than accept that maybe they are wrong.

People find comfort in faith, it answers questions, it provides meaning, and some cannot live without those things. The rest of us can withstand some type of nihilism, and require concrete evidence before truly committing to the idea of something being completely true.

If religion pacifies one to be able to find some type of happiness or peace without taking that away from others, i am all for it.

 

[808HiLife808]

Religion is interesting in such a way that there is an answer for everything and the best part about it is, it does not have to make sense !!! If it does not make sense to you then your faith is not strong enough and you are not truely committed to the religion. I believe a higher power, I believe in God and he is very capable but the price of freedom is some level of chaos.

In Christian dogma one cannot really have God have more control over their life unless they let him in and live in his word. Religion is what is keeping that woman hopeful and accepting of her poor childs situation, where as in other places and times the poor child would have been discarded. Maybe her letting God into her heart , allows him to control her feelings and pain. Yes God could have simply just prevented the lil girl from being born the way that she is. He did not, and we will never understand divine logic.

Sometimes, it is easier just not thinking about it at all, which is why i think some people would rather just be Atheists

you would just rather blindly follow something with neither rhyme nor reason? the fact that there can be an answer for everything even if it doesnt make sense means that people can contort the answers to however they see fit. if god was all powerful, why do you "need" to accept him? why does the "devil" get credit for the bad things and negativity that happen?

Faith is strange because it creates the illusion of sight, so one who is faithful does not really believe they are moving blindly. Me personally, no I cannot blindly follow religion completely, that is why I do not consider myself a true Christian, because I question the faith in itself, but i do not question the existence of God.

Religion is designed in such a way that if something comes up that makes you question it, all you have to do is use the logic that some evil force is manipulating your mind. The faith has an answer for all that start to question. Imagine for instance if God came from the sky speaking Arabic and claiming Islam is the true religion, many Christians would believe it is an illusion of the devil, rather than accept that maybe they are wrong.

People find comfort in faith, it answers questions, it provides meaning, and some cannot live without those things. The rest of us can withstand some type of nihilism, and require concrete evidence before truly committing to the idea of something being completely true.

If religion pacifies one to be able to find some type of happiness or peace without taking that away from others, i am all for it.

shouts out to you for this reply.

i somewhat feel the same way as your last sentence. if it helps you to be a "better person" then im not gonna knock it as long as you dont come trying to convert me. at the same time, those abrahamic religions are guilty of the whole taking away from others...

 

[WYRM]

Blind faith is a hard concept for most in our times, they need evidence, hard scientific evidence mostly. Nothing wrong with that, IMHO there are moral lessons defining good and bad behavior. Religion was the first attempt at psychology and science fixed that, now it's more just philosophy and works for the masses but not for everyone.

 

[kingblaze84]

Blind faith is a hard concept for most in our times, they need evidence, hard scientific evidence mostly. Nothing wrong with that, IMHO there are moral lessons defining good and bad behavior. Religion was the first attempt at psychology and science fixed that, now it's more just philosophy and works for the masses but not for everyone.

I do give religion some credit for some of the laws against bad behavior and what not, though I have big problems with some things the Abrahamic religions support as well. But I am willing to say many, if not most religious people are well behaved (these days) and some do credit their religion for that.

 

[kingblaze84]

A priest in Houston told reporters he has a hard time telling people why his god allowed Hurricane Harvey to harm and drown so many people.

The Bible in more than 30 passages claims that god himself controls the weather, but what's interesting these days is that Joel Olsteen and other Christians seem to be distancing god from the hurricane lol....I guess Christian leaders realize admitting the Bible god created the hurricane isn't exactly good public relations, cuz Joel Olsteen gives praise to his god when good things happen, but when bad things happen, suddenly no one is responsible. Very strange......
https://www.yahoo.com/news/priest-grasps-words-storm-victims-pain-071940787.html

Priest grasps for words as storm victims question their pain

HOUSTON (AP) — The Rev. Mark Goring nears his parish community center and the mounds of trash come into view. Shards of plywood and plaster are stacked atop heaps of black trash bags bulging with soggy filth. Inside, soaked furniture has been pushed aside as workers buzz jigsaws to cut slabs of drywall soaked by more than two feet (60 centimeters) of water that gushed in from the bayou.

It's a mirror of what many who pray alongside this priest are struggling with at home, and he draws them close in a circle, heads bowed and hands clasped. He tells them they worship a god of miracles, that they won't be crushed by their losses, that as mysterious and unwanted as it may be, this trial is a gift that reminds them what exactly they hold true.

Some who have come to Goring in the days since Hurricane Harvey hit ask what kind of god would allow such suffering. It's a question for which he has no answer.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Guess they should start directing people to the book of Job if they want explanations of why god allows certain things.

 

[kingblaze84]

Guess they should start directing people to the book of Job if they want explanations of why god allows certain things.

Yeah, I wonder why so many of these pastors are saying god had nothing to do with this, despite the Bible saying the exact opposite. Maybe they are embarrassed?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Idek what the problem is in admitting god and the devil work hand in hand. That's life, there is choices, how can you know one without the other? How can you discern between something if there is nothing to discern?

 

[kingblaze84]

Assuming there is a devil, yeah that would make sense. The Bible god never killed the devil, so that makes sense from a Biblical standpoint. But most Christians I know say god is good and would never work with the devil lol, at least that's what Christians in my family say. Pastors tend to diss "the devil" every chance they get, maybe they shouldn't.

The devil working with god hand in hand would be fascinating if true, as that would make god just as evil as the devil. The theory of a half evil god or maybe an evil god is something I've heard theologians and others speak about. Anything is possible. The way Hurricane Irma and Harvey are acting, we can't rule it out.

 

[kingblaze84]

Speaking of the devil, a Satanist created an interesting website. He worships Lucifer, and actually argues that if god exists, then it likely is evil haha. Not saying I agree with this, but it's very interesting
http://www.dpjs.co.uk/god.html

 

[rickmogul]

The CEO is not bogged down with little day to day stuff. Look @ the World / Universe as a company. Everybody and everything u ever heard of works here. Humans, aliens, hybrids whatever we've all heard about. But! We all roll up to ONE CEO. Some of us never see or deal with him but u feel his presence and knows he's real.

 

[kingblaze84]

The CEO is not bogged down with little day to day stuff. Look @ the World / Universe as a company. Everybody and everything u ever heard of works here. Humans, aliens, hybrids whatever we've all heard about. But! We all roll up to ONE CEO. Some of us never see or deal with him but u feel his presence and knows he's real.

My brother said something like this to me a few weeks ago, but the theory of there being only one CEO makes almost zero sense in this world, UNLESS that one CEO is very evil, a sadist, and fucked up. Think about it, why create a world with conditions that means your children suffer and are eaten alive every single day? Animals especially, the lifespan of a cow is filled with horrible suffering, and the same goes for some human babies out there who have to live with living parasites eating its organs and insides. This happens thousands of times a day in some places.

To me, it makes more sense that several CEOs with competing agendas are what we really have. What the true agenda of these CEOS is, is the biggest mystery of our time.

 

[kingblaze84]

If there truly is "one god", then someone please explain why this one god seems so comfortable seeing so many of its children eat and torture each other all the time. If anyone is a parent here, would you allow your creation to eat your other creations? Would you let your pet dog eat your pet guinea pig, or your own child? Yet this is the world we live in. This is why I cannot (or refuse to) believe that there is "one" god. How can one god be so callous and cold to its own creations? Makes more sense that competing gods or forces are at work in our universe.


--Number one in this video should not be surprising....

 

[MistyKnight]

Seeing as how retarded humans can be (trump supporters), I wouldn't be surprised if God just threw her hands up and said "fuck it".

Probably stopped caring about the masses long ago and as someone mentioned earlier, has select favorites.

 

[kingblaze84]

Seeing as how retarded humans can be (trump supporters), I wouldn't be surprised if God just threw her hands up and said "fuck it".

Probably stopped caring about the masses long ago and as someone mentioned earlier, has select favorites.

This is almost EXACTLY what I think. Whatever god or higher power is out there has given up on humanity for the most part, and has a chosen few it might look out for.

Life otherwise, makes no sense lol