Is it fair to say that the gods or our higher power is lazy? Or just incapable?

[LUClEN]

They could just not care.

Or maybe they are not as good as we claim and they do this for nefarious purposes.

 

[kingblaze84]

No finite mind can comprehend things infinite....

Which means religion is useless. My point exactly. People be preaching and talking about God and the bible, but how would they know anymore than anyone else?

religion vs spirituality.....

And ultimately religion is necessary.....

Humans are mostly sheepish....

And need to be led, or mislead....

Are you part of a religion? Because if religion is truly necessary as you say, then how come non-religious societies are often some of the most disciplined and have some of the highest standards of living? Meanwhile, many religious societies are often some of the most chaotic. Venezuela and Brazil come to mind, and I can name a bunch more of chaotic, religious societies. Compare that to non-religious nations with low crime rates such as Japan or Norway, among others.

I do not go to church, so I guess I'm not part of a religion....

I also think that's a faulty comparison....

Economics and corruptions are the key factors in Brazil and Venezuela.....

Religion only really poses a problem with political exploitations....

The church provides necessary services in a society.....

Well I do agree that religious groups are known to do charity works and other things, as many non-religious groups do too. But my basic point is that if religion is so necessary, then why is it that religious societies often seem to be much more chaotic and more filled with tension compared to many other non-religious nations?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...lar-societies-fare-better-religious-societies

I don't hate churches though, they can do a lot of good, but historically, a lot of bad too.

 

[kingblaze84]

@luke1733

Yeah, who knows. Maybe our higher power or higher powers are something along those lines, creepy for me to wrap my mind around that but considering how powerful and EXPANSIVE bacteria is in the world, anything is possible. I personally think there probably is a bacteria god LOL.....

Isn't it kind of weird that humans make up about 7 billion in population, but bacteria makes up literally more then a trillion trillion? And these are living things, fixing or setting up nitrogen in the soil, acting as parasites or breaking down cells or bodies. We humans think we're special and we are, but we're far more outnumbered by bacteria. And some bacteria are known to live for like hundreds of years.

So it makes me wonder what the hell the universe was doing putting us in a planet SURROUNDED by such things. We live in a weird fucking world.

 

[kingblaze84]

They could just not care.

Or maybe they are not as good as we claim and they do this for nefarious purposes.

Yes, scary thought but definitely a possibility. I have heard some say "God is good" and others chant back "all the time". I know people say that when good times are happening, but I never understood that "all the time" part.

 

[808HiLife808]

excerpt from a book im reading..

"Monotheists have to practise intellectual gymnastics to explain how an all-knowing, all-powerful and perfectly good God allows so much suffering in the world.

One well-known explanation is that this is God’s way of allowing for human free will.

Freedom of will allows humans to choose evil. Many indeed choose evil and, according to the standard monotheist account, this choice must bring divine punishment in its wake.

If God knew in advance that a particular person would use her free will to choose evil, and that as a result she would be punished for this by eternal tortures in hell, why did God create her?

For dualists, it’s easy to explain evil. Bad things happen even to good people because the world is not governed single-handedly by a good God."

 

[kingblaze84]

excerpt from a book im reading..

"Monotheists have to practise intellectual gymnastics to explain how an all-knowing, all-powerful and perfectly good God allows so much suffering in the world.

One well-known explanation is that this is God’s way of allowing for human free will.

Freedom of will allows humans to choose evil. Many indeed choose evil and, according to the standard monotheist account, this choice must bring divine punishment in its wake.

If God knew in advance that a particular person would use her free will to choose evil, and that as a result she would be punished for this by eternal tortures in hell, why did God create her?

For dualists, it’s easy to explain evil. Bad things happen even to good people because the world is not governed single-handedly by a good God."

Makes a lot of sense, what book is that?

I remember believing in one god a very long time ago and ALWAYS playing mental gymnastics in my head lol.....

Like how a single good god could watch the world in the shape it's in now and yet do nothing. I don't see ANY sense in believing in a single, good god anymore. Not sure how anyone can believe in such a god, unless one can accept it ALSO being a very lazy or perhaps heartless god. Then it wouldn't be so good.

 

[808HiLife808]

excerpt from a book im reading..

"Monotheists have to practise intellectual gymnastics to explain how an all-knowing, all-powerful and perfectly good God allows so much suffering in the world.

One well-known explanation is that this is God’s way of allowing for human free will.

Freedom of will allows humans to choose evil. Many indeed choose evil and, according to the standard monotheist account, this choice must bring divine punishment in its wake.

If God knew in advance that a particular person would use her free will to choose evil, and that as a result she would be punished for this by eternal tortures in hell, why did God create her?

For dualists, it’s easy to explain evil. Bad things happen even to good people because the world is not governed single-handedly by a good God."

Makes a lot of sense, what book is that?

I remember believing in one god a very long time ago and ALWAYS playing mental gymnastics in my head lol.....

Like how a single good god could watch the world in the shape it's in now and yet do nothing. I don't see ANY sense in believing in a single, good god anymore. Not sure how anyone can believe in such a god, unless one can accept it ALSO being a very lazy or perhaps heartless god. Then it wouldn't be so good.

not necessarily about religion, but homo sapien as a whole i guess. good read though, especially for those that think objectively

 

[kingblaze84]

excerpt from a book im reading..

"Monotheists have to practise intellectual gymnastics to explain how an all-knowing, all-powerful and perfectly good God allows so much suffering in the world.

One well-known explanation is that this is God’s way of allowing for human free will.

Freedom of will allows humans to choose evil. Many indeed choose evil and, according to the standard monotheist account, this choice must bring divine punishment in its wake.

If God knew in advance that a particular person would use her free will to choose evil, and that as a result she would be punished for this by eternal tortures in hell, why did God create her?

For dualists, it’s easy to explain evil. Bad things happen even to good people because the world is not governed single-handedly by a good God."

Makes a lot of sense, what book is that?

I remember believing in one god a very long time ago and ALWAYS playing mental gymnastics in my head lol.....

Like how a single good god could watch the world in the shape it's in now and yet do nothing. I don't see ANY sense in believing in a single, good god anymore. Not sure how anyone can believe in such a god, unless one can accept it ALSO being a very lazy or perhaps heartless god. Then it wouldn't be so good.

not necessarily about religion, but homo sapien as a whole i guess. good read though, especially for those that think objectively

Sounds wild interesting, I'm a history fanatic so I should cop that.

The human experience is so different for so many around the world, I wonder what the book says about human history and our desire to create so many different religions and belief systems in general. Back in ancient times, people almost universally believed in multiple gods, but times have changed.

 

[808HiLife808]

excerpt from a book im reading..

"Monotheists have to practise intellectual gymnastics to explain how an all-knowing, all-powerful and perfectly good God allows so much suffering in the world.

One well-known explanation is that this is God’s way of allowing for human free will.

Freedom of will allows humans to choose evil. Many indeed choose evil and, according to the standard monotheist account, this choice must bring divine punishment in its wake.

If God knew in advance that a particular person would use her free will to choose evil, and that as a result she would be punished for this by eternal tortures in hell, why did God create her?

For dualists, it’s easy to explain evil. Bad things happen even to good people because the world is not governed single-handedly by a good God."

Makes a lot of sense, what book is that?

I remember believing in one god a very long time ago and ALWAYS playing mental gymnastics in my head lol.....

Like how a single good god could watch the world in the shape it's in now and yet do nothing. I don't see ANY sense in believing in a single, good god anymore. Not sure how anyone can believe in such a god, unless one can accept it ALSO being a very lazy or perhaps heartless god. Then it wouldn't be so good.

not necessarily about religion, but homo sapien as a whole i guess. good read though, especially for those that think objectively

Sounds wild interesting, I'm a history fanatic so I should cop that.

The human experience is so different for so many around the world, I wonder what the book says about human history and our desire to create so many different religions and belief systems in general. Back in ancient times, people almost universally believed in multiple gods, but times have changed.

definitely worth the read

 

[kingblaze84]

excerpt from a book im reading..

"Monotheists have to practise intellectual gymnastics to explain how an all-knowing, all-powerful and perfectly good God allows so much suffering in the world.

One well-known explanation is that this is God’s way of allowing for human free will.

Freedom of will allows humans to choose evil. Many indeed choose evil and, according to the standard monotheist account, this choice must bring divine punishment in its wake.

If God knew in advance that a particular person would use her free will to choose evil, and that as a result she would be punished for this by eternal tortures in hell, why did God create her?

For dualists, it’s easy to explain evil. Bad things happen even to good people because the world is not governed single-handedly by a good God."

Makes a lot of sense, what book is that?

I remember believing in one god a very long time ago and ALWAYS playing mental gymnastics in my head lol.....

Like how a single good god could watch the world in the shape it's in now and yet do nothing. I don't see ANY sense in believing in a single, good god anymore. Not sure how anyone can believe in such a god, unless one can accept it ALSO being a very lazy or perhaps heartless god. Then it wouldn't be so good.

not necessarily about religion, but homo sapien as a whole i guess. good read though, especially for those that think objectively

Sounds wild interesting, I'm a history fanatic so I should cop that.

The human experience is so different for so many around the world, I wonder what the book says about human history and our desire to create so many different religions and belief systems in general. Back in ancient times, people almost universally believed in multiple gods, but times have changed.

definitely worth the read

The reviews are incredible online.....I'm gonna order it this weekend, props. I'll post my thoughts on it hopefully not too long from now.

 

[kingblaze84]

I thought about this thread after watching this video....it's about a 13 year old stuck in a baby's body, literally. Not sure if the teenager knows what's going on but damn.

Assuming there is an afterlife in the form of a heaven, would this kid remain in its current shape? Or would he be more developed like a normal kid? This kid could also be a result of incest, but if not, then what a weird thing for nature to create. Strange as fuck.

 

[VIBE]

Is it fair to say that the gods or our higher power is lazy? Or just incapable?

I'd say they were/are selective.

There's many instances in the Bible where we explicitly read that 'God' has intervened/communicated w his creation. Few examples; Garden of Eden, Mount Sinai, Egypt etc..

He was so involved, in every aspect.

After their time, it seems to have stopped.

Where is 'God' now? Why isn't he helping America, the Christian Nation, defeat our enemies? He helped Moses. There's a list of things he's done in the Bible that he's never done today. It's only done through symbolism, now, in your favor, so it's easy to explain.

You'll get your stories today here and there, but never in the obvious fashion it was explained in the Bible. Only happens to certain people. Selective Gods.

 

[kingblaze84]

Is it fair to say that the gods or our higher power is lazy? Or just incapable?

I'd say they were/are selective.

There's many instances in the Bible where we explicitly read that 'God' has intervened/communicated w his creation. Few examples; Garden of Eden, Mount Sinai, Egypt etc..

He was so involved, in every aspect.

After their time, it seems to have stopped.

Where is 'God' now? Why isn't he helping America, the Christian Nation, defeat our enemies? He helped Moses. There's a list of things he's done in the Bible that he's never done today. It's only done through symbolism, now, in your favor, so it's easy to explain.

You'll get your stories today here and there, but never in the obvious fashion it was explained in the Bible. Only happens to certain people. Selective Gods.

So in other words, the gods have favorites? People they choose to bless for whatever reason, and others they just aren't that interested in? I've thought about that a lot in my lifetime, cuz it definitely seems like some are very, very blessed, and others just seem to have the worst of luck.

Probably true.

 

[kingblaze84]

@808HiLife808

The book came in last night. It's a lot bigger then I thought lol, but I've read a good amount of pages so far, very incredible.

I can tell this could be a life changing book, I'm only afraid that it's gonna horrify me, humans didn't get this far by being nice, that's for sure.

 

[VIBE]

Is it fair to say that the gods or our higher power is lazy? Or just incapable?

I'd say they were/are selective.

There's many instances in the Bible where we explicitly read that 'God' has intervened/communicated w his creation. Few examples; Garden of Eden, Mount Sinai, Egypt etc..

He was so involved, in every aspect.

After their time, it seems to have stopped.

Where is 'God' now? Why isn't he helping America, the Christian Nation, defeat our enemies? He helped Moses. There's a list of things he's done in the Bible that he's never done today. It's only done through symbolism, now, in your favor, so it's easy to explain.

You'll get your stories today here and there, but never in the obvious fashion it was explained in the Bible. Only happens to certain people. Selective Gods.

So in other words, the gods have favorites? People they choose to bless for whatever reason, and others they just aren't that interested in? I've thought about that a lot in my lifetime, cuz it definitely seems like some are very, very blessed, and others just seem to have the worst of luck.

Probably true.

The Bible is pretty obvious w it's favoritism.

 

[kingblaze84]

Is it fair to say that the gods or our higher power is lazy? Or just incapable?

I'd say they were/are selective.

There's many instances in the Bible where we explicitly read that 'God' has intervened/communicated w his creation. Few examples; Garden of Eden, Mount Sinai, Egypt etc..

He was so involved, in every aspect.

After their time, it seems to have stopped.

Where is 'God' now? Why isn't he helping America, the Christian Nation, defeat our enemies? He helped Moses. There's a list of things he's done in the Bible that he's never done today. It's only done through symbolism, now, in your favor, so it's easy to explain.

You'll get your stories today here and there, but never in the obvious fashion it was explained in the Bible. Only happens to certain people. Selective Gods.

So in other words, the gods have favorites? People they choose to bless for whatever reason, and others they just aren't that interested in? I've thought about that a lot in my lifetime, cuz it definitely seems like some are very, very blessed, and others just seem to have the worst of luck.

Probably true.

The Bible is pretty obvious w it's favoritism.

Yeah, the Jews are "the chosen ones" there, but even in the Bible (which is mostly fiction), the Jews often criticized and dissed their own god because so many had bad luck.

In my opinion, that reasoning is part of the reason why humanity created so many different gods. When one god failed or disappointed people, people often would turn to another (or none), as many of the ancient Jews did. Where these "gods" came from, who knows.

 

[kingblaze84]

The big hurricane in Texas kind of reminds me of this thread too. Many of us here are in agreement that it's very possible that any higher power out there might be unaware as to what's going on in this world, something I honestly hope is true. I would think it very strange that any god out there is letting this happen on purpose, but who knows, maybe population control is on its mind. Or worse.

On the other hand, I'm leaning towards believing that any higher power out there is just too busy to care about what's happening on Earth, busy doing what, who fucking knows. If it does care, then it has to be incapable. What parent would sit by as a bunch of their children drown? I tried to get my mom's thoughts on the hurricane and this topic, since she's a Christian, and she changed the subject as soon as she could lol......

 

[Coded Universe]

Study the Occult, you will gather a clearer understanding

 

[kingblaze84]

Study the Occult, you will gather a clearer understanding

Hmmm, not a bad idea. I know quite a bit about Haitian voodoo, but I've never studied the occult that deeply.

 

[kingblaze84]

@808HiLife808

I just finished reading the book Sapiens.....I gotta say, after reading it, I lost a lot of respect for humanity. Of course, humanity has accomplished a lot, but at the terrible sacrifice, torture and misery of billions of other living things on Earth. Including other humans, but especially farm animals. The chapters in which he describes the human farming system was pretty shocking to me. Humans in general treat other living things very badly.

The author seems to be an atheist, which is very understandable, considering the world we live in. On that note, based on human history, if there are any gods out there, maybe they feel humans don't deserve intervention or help. After reading the book, I can understand why any gods out there may have abandoned us.

Then again, what does that say about the forces that created humanity? If we are indeed made in "god's" image as some religions say, then god must be one scary motherfucker. Great book, that last chapter was deep. One of the top 5 best books I've ever read.