Fair or Foul: Stephen A Smith's Comments About Domestic Violence

[FourEfil]

http://www.thewrap.com/the-views-wh...-surprised-if-you-hit-a-man-he-hits-you-back/

‘The View's’ Whoopi Goldberg on NFL, ESPN Domestic Violence Flap: ‘Don't Be Surprised If You Hit a Man, He Hits You Back’

Goldberg defends the context in which ESPN's Stephen A. Smith made his original remarks, referencing how the wife of Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice mentioned that she hit him first

Whoopi supports Stephan

 

[Meta_Conscious]

The topic was Ray rice being accused of domestic violence based on a video that surfaced from a hotel

And wether or those accusations were appropriate

Domestic violence was very much the topic

but not the narrow definition you tried to apply. Ray Rice is being called a domestic abuser even tho his wife has accepted responsibility along with him in the altercation.

this context is very important when analyzing what Stephen Coon Smith was saying. He was speaking about scenarios similar to the Ray Rice situation where women are initiating physical contact with their significant others.

Ignoring that context is problematic.

 

[1of1]

nigga was gon for a week and came back on the show cooning

What did he say today that you interpreted as qüünery?

 

[blackrain]

You can't be this dense

I know why there is controversy

The point is Stephan could have avoided it by speaking like an adult

WTF? 'Speaking like an adult'? What's that even mean, in this context?

And I've yet to hear a feasible explanation at how any sane, rational person could misconstrue his comments.

His comments weren't wrong per say, it was just the wrong time to say it. When he said the same comments damn near verbatim about Chad Johnson's situation nobody batted an eye really. He brought this up when the main point of all the Ray Rice discussion at that moment was Roger Goodell's lack of consistency with his punishments of NFL players. It had nothing to do with Ray Rice's wife and what she did or didn't do. It was 99.9% about Goodell and Stephen A simply picked the wrong moment to make the point he made. It wasn't hard to get, he just fucked up in how he got it across.

 

[mryounggun]

You can't be this dense

I know why there is controversy

The point is Stephan could have avoided it by speaking like an adult

WTF? 'Speaking like an adult'? What's that even mean, in this context?

And I've yet to hear a feasible explanation at how any sane, rational person could misconstrue his comments.

His comments weren't wrong per say, it was just the wrong time to say it. When he said the same comments damn near verbatim about Chad Johnson's situation nobody batted an eye really. He brought this up when the main point of all the Ray Rice discussion at that moment was Roger Goodell's lack of consistency with his punishments of NFL players. It had nothing to do with Ray Rice's wife and what she did or didn't do. It was 99.9% about Goodell and Stephen A simply picked the wrong moment to make the point he made. It wasn't hard to get, he just fucked up in how he got it across.

I didn't hear a single person mention 'It's the TIMING of the comments that make them problematic.'. No one. People are saying that his comments were problematic. All I can go by is what they actually say.

 

[blackrain]

nigga was gon for a week and came back on the show cooning

What did he say that was cooning? Nigga shitted on Dan Snyder and the state of VA for being racist, gave props to the Spurs for hiring a woman ass. coach, and the only other shit they talked about was LeBron and Martellus Bennett.

 

[mryounggun]

^^^' Stephen A. is cooning' is just the popular thing to say on the IC right now. Don't worry, it'll pass.

 

[Mister B.]

Stephen A. wasn't cooning....at least not here.

But I AM disappointed his journalistic manhood pretty much got neutered, even after he offered up one of his own testes with that unneeded "apology".

 

[blackrain]

You can't be this dense

I know why there is controversy

The point is Stephan could have avoided it by speaking like an adult

WTF? 'Speaking like an adult'? What's that even mean, in this context?

And I've yet to hear a feasible explanation at how any sane, rational person could misconstrue his comments.

His comments weren't wrong per say, it was just the wrong time to say it. When he said the same comments damn near verbatim about Chad Johnson's situation nobody batted an eye really. He brought this up when the main point of all the Ray Rice discussion at that moment was Roger Goodell's lack of consistency with his punishments of NFL players. It had nothing to do with Ray Rice's wife and what she did or didn't do. It was 99.9% about Goodell and Stephen A simply picked the wrong moment to make the point he made. It wasn't hard to get, he just fucked up in how he got it across.

I didn't hear a single person mention 'It's the TIMING of the comments that make them problematic.'. No one. People are saying that his comments were problematic. All I can go by is what they actually say.

But that's part of why they were problematic hence me mentioning he said the exact same shit about a similar situation and nobody called for his job and/or an apology then too. I heard him on Mike & Mike that same morning on my way to work before he did First Take and he literally said the same shit on there he did on First Take. They asked him what he thought about the 2 game suspension and he starts talking about women hitting men and how that gets swept under the rug. Yeah he made a point, but the topic of women hitting men wasn't what was at the forefront that day. It was "How bad did Roger Goodell fuck up" and he turned it into something else. So no he wasn't wrong for what he was saying, he just picked the wrong time to say it again. That's what left his comments to being picked apart like they were.

 

[LUClEN]

You can not provoke domestic violence

You can not provoke a man or woman to be an abuser

Janay's assault charges refute that claim

 

[mryounggun]

You can't be this dense

I know why there is controversy

The point is Stephan could have avoided it by speaking like an adult

WTF? 'Speaking like an adult'? What's that even mean, in this context?

And I've yet to hear a feasible explanation at how any sane, rational person could misconstrue his comments.

His comments weren't wrong per say, it was just the wrong time to say it. When he said the same comments damn near verbatim about Chad Johnson's situation nobody batted an eye really. He brought this up when the main point of all the Ray Rice discussion at that moment was Roger Goodell's lack of consistency with his punishments of NFL players. It had nothing to do with Ray Rice's wife and what she did or didn't do. It was 99.9% about Goodell and Stephen A simply picked the wrong moment to make the point he made. It wasn't hard to get, he just fucked up in how he got it across.

I didn't hear a single person mention 'It's the TIMING of the comments that make them problematic.'. No one. People are saying that his comments were problematic. All I can go by is what they actually say.

But that's part of why they were problematic hence me mentioning he said the exact same shit about a similar situation and nobody called for his job and/or an apology then too. I heard him on Mike & Mike that same morning on my way to work before he did First Take and he literally said the same shit on there he did on First Take. They asked him what he thought about the 2 game suspension and he starts talking about women hitting men and how that gets swept under the rug. Yeah he made a point, but the topic of women hitting men wasn't what was at the forefront that day. It was "How bad did Roger Goodell fuck up" and he turned it into something else. So no he wasn't wrong for what he was saying, he just picked the wrong time to say it again. That's what left his comments to being picked apart like they were.

But you not listening, fam. You said the timing of his comments were problematic. Cool. I disagree, but I can respect that. You have a logical point. But I'M NOT REFERRING TO YOU. I'm talking to anyone who said over any over again that his actual comments were problematic. If people actually feel like it's just the timing, then they should say that like you did. But that's not what I'm hearing. People say his comments were problematic...so someone logically tell me how.

 

[deadeye]

Man they got Stephen A so white washed this morning he cooning so GOTDAMN bad I feel like I'm in the woods. How do you have a white man taking up for native Americans and blacks more than the black man

I chuckled at the beginning of the broadcast when Stephen A said that Dan Snyder "put his foot in his mouth" when he talked about why he was keeping the Redskins name.

Shit was funny because they acted like nothing ever happened and it was business as usual on the show.

Like Stephen A. just came back from vacation or something.

 

[blackrain]

You can not provoke domestic violence

You can not provoke a man or woman to be an abuser

Janay's assault charges refute that claim

You're missing her point. Abuser doesn't equal a one time incident like this one seems to be with Ray Rice. Abuser= long term and a history of incidents.This shit wasn't domestic violence this was 2 dumb asses getting into a fight in public and the person on the losing end just happened to be a woman. So yes you can provoke a person into hitting you, but no you cannot provoke a person into becoming someone who beats people on a consistent basis.

 

[mryounggun]

You can not provoke domestic violence

You can not provoke a man or woman to be an abuser

Janay's assault charges refute that claim

You're missing her point. Abuser doesn't equal a one time incident like this one seems to be with Ray Rice. Abuser= long term and a history of incidents.This shit wasn't domestic violence this was 2 dumb asses getting into a fight in public and the person on the losing end just happened to be a woman. So yes you can provoke a person into hitting you, but no you cannot provoke a person into becoming someone who beats people on a consistent basis.

I'm not missing the point. This is what I mean when I say we gotta actually pay attention to his ENTIRE comment, not just the part part that fits our narrative:

1. He mentioned earlier in the comments in no uncertain terms that those people belong in jail and that there is no reason to do that.

2. The man never said that you can provoke someone into being an 'abuser'.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I don't understand the timing complaint. If you can't address a subject after a situation makes it a topic of conversation, when can you address it? It's not like he waited til someone died and then said a bunch of hurtful but true things about them. That's a timing problem.

 

[D0wn]

Niggas acting like SAS cooning is new...Stephen A was the same nigga who told young black men to stop wearing hoodies.

You can't be this dense

I know why there is controversy

The point is Stephan could have avoided it by speaking like an adult

Hate him, or love him. Stephen A. Is one of the most articulate brothas on t.v. sometimes too articulate, its ESPN, not MSNBC.

Yet according to you, he dosent speak well enough??... He dosent articulate well enough?? What you want him to do, throw in a Victorian accent??

Ya peep how she said, he didnt speak like an adult???

That's the throwing of shade, And belittling, that negroe bed wenches love to pull, on black men. Castrate a brotha, and make him less than a man.

You going to far now. SAS is not all that articulate. Dude mostly just rants and raves. And Haute is right. A lot of Beadle's ammunition against him would have been nullified if he had simply made it clear that he was talking about physical provocation and not just a woman doing something a man doesn't like.

So Stephen A Smith does not speak standard american english?? he's on television speaking ebonics???

Whoppi Goldberg understood exactly what he said and defended him...

Countless other men and women understood what he said and agreed. May be its just you.

You can't be this dense

I know why there is controversy

The point is Stephan could have avoided it by speaking like an adult

WTF? 'Speaking like an adult'? What's that even mean, in this context?

And I've yet to hear a feasible explanation at how any sane, rational person could misconstrue his comments.

His comments weren't wrong per say, it was just the wrong time to say it. When he said the same comments damn near verbatim about Chad Johnson's situation nobody batted an eye really. He brought this up when the main point of all the Ray Rice discussion at that moment was Roger Goodell's lack of consistency with his punishments of NFL players. It had nothing to do with Ray Rice's wife and what she did or didn't do. It was 99.9% about Goodell and Stephen A simply picked the wrong moment to make the point he made. It wasn't hard to get, he just fucked up in how he got it across.

I didn't hear a single person mention 'It's the TIMING of the comments that make them problematic.'. No one. People are saying that his comments were problematic. All I can go by is what they actually say.

But that's part of why they were problematic hence me mentioning he said the exact same shit about a similar situation and nobody called for his job and/or an apology then too. I heard him on Mike & Mike that same morning on my way to work before he did First Take and he literally said the same shit on there he did on First Take. They asked him what he thought about the 2 game suspension and he starts talking about women hitting men and how that gets swept under the rug. Yeah he made a point, but the topic of women hitting men wasn't what was at the forefront that day. It was "How bad did Roger Goodell fuck up" and he turned it into something else. So no he wasn't wrong for what he was saying, he just picked the wrong time to say it again. That's what left his comments to being picked apart like they were.

No SAS, did not pick the wrong time to say anything. the topic of whether Roger Goodell fucked up or not, is based on the Ray Rice DOMESTIC DISPUTE with his now wife.

according to reports she initiated the dispute, by verbally assulting him, and when that didnt work, she spit on him. Thats when he hit her.

He did not go up side her head, out of the blue . If she never initiated the situation, then there would be no dispute to begin with. That was SAS whole point.

It takes two to tangle...

 

[Copper]

You can't be this dense

I know why there is controversy

The point is Stephan could have avoided it by speaking like an adult

Stephan A was speaking like a child?

Smh

 

[Dr. Stitch]

If you can't articulate your thoughts

Then Stfu

I get what Stephen was saying

But it was said poorly and thats why it left room for interpretation

Oh well tough break nigga

No it wasnt, what he stated didnt leave room for misinterpretation.

If you possesed common sense, like i thought you did, then you would of known he articulated himself cleary.

She took his words, and twisted them. She said, he said things he neither stated or implied.

And instead of countering her agenda, which he could of simply done, he folded like laundry.

Its funny how all the men understood exactly what he said. But all the women didnt.

May be he used to much logic, for the average women.... And not enough irrationality and emotion.

And if you possessed basic reading comprehension above am 8th grade level

Not your half assed version of 'common sense'

You'd get it too

Words mean things

So use the right nouns, pronouns, verbs, and adjectives

And you'll never have to say I'm sorry

What he said was clear.Only emotional women caught feelings.

No, whoopi Goldberg stated these sentiments clearly

The only emotion I see is yours and the other men you lack the most basic reading skills

And i take it you didnt hear the other bitches arguing wit her afterwards...whoopi is one of the few females that didnt respond with pure emotion so that wasnt a good example for your claim...

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So Stephen A Smith does not speak standard american english?? he's on television speaking ebonics???

Whoppi Goldberg understood exactly what he said and defended him...

Countless other men and women understood what he said and agreed. May be its just you.

If speaking standard american english is your only criterion for being articulate, then there are a bunch of people who can't express themselves correctly that would still be considered articulate.

The fact of the matter is that both this situation and his stance on black boys and hoods would have come off a lot better if he was able to calmly and reasonably present an argument. But he doesn't do that. He typically just talks really loud and forcefully and expects that to be all it takes to make a good point.

 

[blackrain]

Niggas acting like SAS cooning is new...Stephen A was the same nigga who told young black men to stop wearing hoodies.

You can't be this dense

I know why there is controversy

The point is Stephan could have avoided it by speaking like an adult

Hate him, or love him. Stephen A. Is one of the most articulate brothas on t.v. sometimes too articulate, its ESPN, not MSNBC.

Yet according to you, he dosent speak well enough??... He dosent articulate well enough?? What you want him to do, throw in a Victorian accent??

Ya peep how she said, he didnt speak like an adult???

That's the throwing of shade, And belittling, that negroe bed wenches love to pull, on black men. Castrate a brotha, and make him less than a man.

You going to far now. SAS is not all that articulate. Dude mostly just rants and raves. And Haute is right. A lot of Beadle's ammunition against him would have been nullified if he had simply made it clear that he was talking about physical provocation and not just a woman doing something a man doesn't like.

So Stephen A Smith does not speak standard american english?? he's on television speaking ebonics???

Whoppi Goldberg understood exactly what he said and defended him...

Countless other men and women understood what he said and agreed. May be its just you.

You can't be this dense

I know why there is controversy

The point is Stephan could have avoided it by speaking like an adult

WTF? 'Speaking like an adult'? What's that even mean, in this context?

And I've yet to hear a feasible explanation at how any sane, rational person could misconstrue his comments.

His comments weren't wrong per say, it was just the wrong time to say it. When he said the same comments damn near verbatim about Chad Johnson's situation nobody batted an eye really. He brought this up when the main point of all the Ray Rice discussion at that moment was Roger Goodell's lack of consistency with his punishments of NFL players. It had nothing to do with Ray Rice's wife and what she did or didn't do. It was 99.9% about Goodell and Stephen A simply picked the wrong moment to make the point he made. It wasn't hard to get, he just fucked up in how he got it across.

I didn't hear a single person mention 'It's the TIMING of the comments that make them problematic.'. No one. People are saying that his comments were problematic. All I can go by is what they actually say.

But that's part of why they were problematic hence me mentioning he said the exact same shit about a similar situation and nobody called for his job and/or an apology then too. I heard him on Mike & Mike that same morning on my way to work before he did First Take and he literally said the same shit on there he did on First Take. They asked him what he thought about the 2 game suspension and he starts talking about women hitting men and how that gets swept under the rug. Yeah he made a point, but the topic of women hitting men wasn't what was at the forefront that day. It was "How bad did Roger Goodell fuck up" and he turned it into something else. So no he wasn't wrong for what he was saying, he just picked the wrong time to say it again. That's what left his comments to being picked apart like they were.

No SAS, did not pick the wrong time to say anything. the topic of whether Roger Goodell fucked up or not, is based on the Ray Rice DOMESTIC DISPUTE with his now wife.

according to reports she initiated the dispute, by verbally assulting him, and when that didnt work, she spit on him. Thats when he hit her.

He did not go up side her head, out of the blue . If she never initiated the situation, then there would be no dispute to begin with. That was SAS whole point.

It takes two to tangle...

No it was did Goodell fuck up based on his past suspensions of players for things society doesn't deem as serious as getting into a fight in public with your spouse. That's why people were bringing up Terrell Pryor, Jim Irsay and Josh Gordon. Them three don't have shit to do with domestic disputes, but their names were part of the conversation as well because that day the focus wasn't on "Who hit who first and who should or shouldn't be allowed to hit somebody" it was about Roger Goodell and his inconsistency with how he handles disciplining people in the NFL.