5th Letter
New member
aneed123;c-9550950 said:
/thread
Shizlansky
New member
aneed123;c-9550950 said:
What that have to do with him being a bad person/leader
What you saying is the equivalent of "what about black on black crime"
Castro did some things good and alot of bad sh*t. Che Guevara was a known racist, but Argentinians have a reputation for not liking black people all over the latin world. Fidel allowed people like Assata to seek refuge in his country. He helped countries like Angola against South Africa. I know most positions of power were reserved for white Cubans though, eventhough alot of them left for Miami after the commies took over. That goes for most latin counties though. Positions of power are filled with white people. A black latin gotta marry a lighter mate to wipe out that blackness and ensure a better future for his or her offspring. It's messed up it gotta be like that. You even got sayings alluding to this marrying up = marrying lighter.
I'm from Curaçao originally and while racism is recognized alot of AA's can't seem to understand that there's a different racial stratification system in the latin world. That one drop rule that applied in the US, didn't apply in other parts of the New World. Because they have this idea that every black person should conform to the slave laws that were imposed on them (which that one drop rule was), they think that blacks or mixed people from the latin world aren't aware of racism. It's that dumb a*s hive mind too many of them have. You're a black man and you're not 'street' or 'acting hard' = you not 'real'. You're black and you're not into hip hop but into rock, alternative, country, EDM etc.? You're not 'real'. You don't dress a certain way? You're not 'real'. You vote Republican instead of democrat (you see where I'm going with this
). We're aware of racism. We just don't whine about it every chance we get.
Matter of fact, African culture has been preserved in most latin countries, while AA have a slave culture. Unlike AA's we can see where ancestors of blacks in the latin world came from. For instance, Dominicans and Cubans have alot Yoruba ancestry. You can see the similarities between santeria and Yoruba. Colombians got Congo ancestry. Unlike anywhere on US soil there were alot of successful slave revolts in the latin world. Blacks fled to places inaccessible to their former masters and black sanctuaries where African culture was preserved flourished.
My grandpa has been to Panama, Costa Rica and Belize years ago. What I heard about it, was the black population there had a more West Indian culture than anything else. Alot of them had English names and spoke patois, but some were mixed with Indians and Spanish as well. I even heard about how some black Arubans moved to Panama generations ago. I plan on visiting that region in the near future. i hear the wildlife and the country in general is beautiful. You know it's all love.
From personal experience I can say most racism a black person will face in the latin world is intra racism. If a person has a problem with your complexion, African features or w/e, it'll be a black person before anyone else...
blackrain;c-9528570 said:
I'm from Curaçao originally and while racism is recognized alot of AA's can't seem to understand that there's a different racial stratification system in the latin world. That one drop rule that applied in the US, didn't apply in other parts of the New World. Because they have this idea that every black person should conform to the slave laws that were imposed on them (which that one drop rule was), they think that blacks or mixed people from the latin world aren't aware of racism. It's that dumb a*s hive mind too many of them have. You're a black man and you're not 'street' or 'acting hard' = you not 'real'. You're black and you're not into hip hop but into rock, alternative, country, EDM etc.? You're not 'real'. You don't dress a certain way? You're not 'real'. You vote Republican instead of democrat (you see where I'm going with this
). We're aware of racism. We just don't whine about it every chance we get.Matter of fact, African culture has been preserved in most latin countries, while AA have a slave culture. Unlike AA's we can see where ancestors of blacks in the latin world came from. For instance, Dominicans and Cubans have alot Yoruba ancestry. You can see the similarities between santeria and Yoruba. Colombians got Congo ancestry. Unlike anywhere on US soil there were alot of successful slave revolts in the latin world. Blacks fled to places inaccessible to their former masters and black sanctuaries where African culture was preserved flourished.
My grandpa has been to Panama, Costa Rica and Belize years ago. What I heard about it, was the black population there had a more West Indian culture than anything else. Alot of them had English names and spoke patois, but some were mixed with Indians and Spanish as well. I even heard about how some black Arubans moved to Panama generations ago. I plan on visiting that region in the near future. i hear the wildlife and the country in general is beautiful. You know it's all love.
From personal experience I can say most racism a black person will face in the latin world is intra racism. If a person has a problem with your complexion, African features or w/e, it'll be a black person before anyone else...
5th Letter
New member
Shizlansky;c-9551065 said:
Him being a bad person and leader is subjective and/or relative. There are some people who loved him and thought that he was great.
Last edited:
here's a perspective: you can actually criticize crackers who did evil shit in America AND a dictator who did evil shit in Cuba at the same time.aneed123;c-9550950 said:
who was the leader of their country more recently: the crackers on the monuments or Castro?aneed123;c-9551183 said:
of course, our presidents leave office. Castro was a dictator for decades. it's a lot easier for me to call one of those two choices a tyrant.aneed123;c-9551224 said:
Shizlansky
New member
aneed123;c-9551183 said:
Lol
So stop judging if your house ain't in order? Sounds just like when white ppl bring up black on black crime
It's a reason why so many damn Cubans defect from there. Hell their baseball players gotta get smuggled out the country
5th Letter
New member
Shizlansky;c-9552861 said:
It means you can't judge someone when the US has done as much if not more fucked up shit. Cubans defect for the same reason why people leave small or 3rd world countries.
Shizlansky
New member
5th Letter;c-9552871 said:
We are talking about a person. Just like we do with others.
Castro was a very bad leader
JokerzWyld
New member
janklow;c-9550824 said:
The better question is why they responded to this specific dictator with those international pressures (assassination attempts, embargoes, etc.) but did nothing about Rafael Trujillo, François Duvalier, Anastasio Somoza, Mobutu, etc.?
The fact is that people focus on Castro's deeds as a means of indicting his politics, which is subjective. He imprisoned his citizens for their politics? So did Richard Nixon. Castro killed thousands of people? LBJ killed millions. Castro denied democracy to citizens? The country you praise has has never had a democracy at all, neither in practice nor on paper, and has undermined countless democracies abroad. It's not about defending Castro, it's about viewing politics, history, and media objectively.
Shizlansky
New member
JokerzWyld;c-9554262 said:
Back on that what about black on black crime shit again I see
Last edited:
Castro's the ONLY dictator the US has responded to with international pressures?JokerzWyld;c-9554262 said:
because the thing is, the first guy on your list is a dictator who people literally say the CIA helped assassinate.
here's the problem with your "it's not about defending Castro, it's about viewing politics, history, and media objectively" theory: i'm sitting here saying "you can criticize Castro AND the US" and you're responding to that by defending Castro? so what gives. viewing history objective means noting Castro was a dictator who executed political rivals. saying "the US did shit too" doesn't actually negate the misdeeds of Castro.JokerzWyld;c-9554262 said:
JokerzWyld
New member
janklow;c-9556140 said:
Firstly, my critique was for the T/S and his ilk, not the interlopers. Secondly, show me the threads condemning Trujillo, Duvalier, etc. In fact, show me the foreign policy against them.
In regard to the coup against Trujillo, the US prior to that, stopped a plotted coup against him. You may sound smart to someone who is dumb, but not to me.
JokerzWyld;c-9558905 said:
@JokerzWyld Look at my post. My stance from jump has been exactly the same the entire time. Castro isn't someone who should be held up as some hero simply because people don't like the US's portrayal of him. I've repeated multiple times that it's possible to condemn both the US and it's history and also the things Castro did to his own people in Cuba as well and to ignore that simply because "I don't like how the US talks about him" is stupid. 2nd I've also mentioned multiple times over the years the atrocities committed by Trujillo and how his policies regarding race affects Dominicans today in how they view themselves and the outside world. It comes up often whenever the topic of latinos and how we view race in regards to the different cultures that exist in latin america gets discussed on the IC.
