African Americans Should Stop Lionizing Castro

[Knock_Twice]

Not trying to change anyone thoughts on their take on Castro

But peep the video, I'm not saying what dude is saying is Gospel, just like the article but it forced me to read.

Especially, the part about Katrina, How blacks can study medicine for free in Cuba, How he helped African nations and etc. How hard he was on drugs the import of drugs into Cuba

Tariq isn't a fan to everybody, but dude was dropping info, don't think they were lies and he did state that Castro did some fuck'd up shit to blacks too. Also made mention of Che remarks towards blacks

Start around the 5:00 mark, he gets into it

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Castro was an inspirational revolutionary.

Generally speaking, AA's love for him in the US is similar to their love for Obama. AAs are slaves to symbolism, so they're far more concerned with what these individuals represent versus the substance of their actions.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

this is why i want to help the youth understand and try to promote no following whats cool or what they think is boss shit.

these be the same niggas buying shit that oppresses them.

we are the only group that always forgives and always forgetsand always being defiant towards each other and not towards the person with their foot on our neck.

i need an artist to draw a painting with two black people......each with a white persons foot on they neck. but the two black people still fight each other and not trying to get up.

 

[JokerzWyld]

This thread is redundant. We already got this opinion of Castro in the last thread. If you feel the need to make these threads then do so, but I ask that the disapproval be consistent. Similar threads should be dedicated to Somoza, Diem, Pinochet, Trujillo, Duvalier, Mobutu, etc.

My stance has been consistent. Don't just pick at the parts of his legacy that agree with your anti US gov't stance to make him out to be a hero because he wasn't. He became exactly what he claimed to be against to maintain his power

Are you willing to to acknowledge the role of US influence on Cuban politics since their revolution against Spain? You excoriate his actions but refuse to acknowledge the 638 assassination attempts that altered the man Castro was and the politics he subscribed to? I honestly view this thread as subjective in regard to Cuban history. Did Castro deny his people? Who knows, but what is known is that the 65 embargo on his country had pushed him deeper into the hands of communism and is just as responsible for what was to come.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

this is why i want to help the youth understand and try to promote no following whats cool or what they think is boss shit.

these be the same niggas buying shit that oppresses them.

we are the only group that always forgives and always forgetsand always being defiant towards each other and not towards the person with their foot on our neck.

i need an artist to draw a painting with two black people......each with a white persons foot on they neck. but the two black people still fight each other and not trying to get up.

You can't win that fight as you're fighting against human nature as a whole. Every human regardless of ethnicity, would act the same way the undesirables in black America act if placed in the same environment. Instead, it's better to focus on the youth that have potential to get out and do something better with their lives and then use your resources to help create another thriving black community similar to that of a black wallstreet.

The ghetto is an experiment, where the environment is filled with toxins. So much poison, that the average person placed in that situation will self destruct. You're essentially asking every person to be great and see through the smoke and mirrors, which isn't logical or shows that you're truly naive to the circumstances they face.

 

[janklow]

I don't support Castro. Tyrants of all kinds are unacceptable but when you have high literacy and your people aren't constantly sick you should get credit for that, considering in this bastion of "freedom" people are denied healthcare and quality education.

what if your literacy and healthcare was impressive BEFORE you came to power as well, and you might be using cooked stats to make them look good now?

Castro shouldn't be lionized because he was a fucking dictator.

 

[janklow]

I don't believe western propaganda. Castro did evil things and had faults but I'll be damned if I hate him cuz the US and white Cubans want me too.

if he did EVIL THINGS, why are you saying "welp, can't hate him because some white people do!" you can hate him for doing evil things!

 

[janklow]

Castro was an inspirational revolutionary.

who proved that you, too, could fight to remove an oppressive dictator, talk a big game about freedom... and then become an oppressive dictator.

 

[blackrain]

This thread is redundant. We already got this opinion of Castro in the last thread. If you feel the need to make these threads then do so, but I ask that the disapproval be consistent. Similar threads should be dedicated to Somoza, Diem, Pinochet, Trujillo, Duvalier, Mobutu, etc.

My stance has been consistent. Don't just pick at the parts of his legacy that agree with your anti US gov't stance to make him out to be a hero because he wasn't. He became exactly what he claimed to be against to maintain his power

Are you willing to to acknowledge the role of US influence on Cuban politics since their revolution against Spain? You excoriate his actions but refuse to acknowledge the 638 assassination attempts that altered the man Castro was and the politics he subscribed to? I honestly view this thread as subjective in regard to Cuban history. Did Castro deny his people? Who knows, but what is known is that the 65 embargo on his country had pushed him deeper into the hands of communism and is just as responsible for what was to come.

Yes I do acknowledge those things. Look at my posts about him I'm consistent with saying tell the whole story. And what do you mean who knows if he denied his people? It's a documented fact he did. You can call what the US did to get him out of power fucked up while still saying Castro himself became exactly the dictator he once fought against

 

[R.D.]

I don't support Castro. Tyrants of all kinds are unacceptable but when you have high literacy and your people aren't constantly sick you should get credit for that, considering in this bastion of "freedom" people are denied healthcare and quality education.

what if your literacy and healthcare was impressive BEFORE you came to power as well, and you might be using cooked stats to make them look good now?

Castro shouldn't be lionized because he was a fucking dictator.

Nothing wrong with dictatorship

 

[janklow]

Nothing wrong with dictatorship

sorry, there's absolutely something wrong with a dictatorship.

 

[JokerzWyld]

This thread is redundant. We already got this opinion of Castro in the last thread. If you feel the need to make these threads then do so, but I ask that the disapproval be consistent. Similar threads should be dedicated to Somoza, Diem, Pinochet, Trujillo, Duvalier, Mobutu, etc.

My stance has been consistent. Don't just pick at the parts of his legacy that agree with your anti US gov't stance to make him out to be a hero because he wasn't. He became exactly what he claimed to be against to maintain his power

Are you willing to to acknowledge the role of US influence on Cuban politics since their revolution against Spain? You excoriate his actions but refuse to acknowledge the 638 assassination attempts that altered the man Castro was and the politics he subscribed to? I honestly view this thread as subjective in regard to Cuban history. Did Castro deny his people? Who knows, but what is known is that the 65 embargo on his country had pushed him deeper into the hands of communism and is just as responsible for what was to come.

Yes I do acknowledge those things. Look at my posts about him I'm consistent with saying tell the whole story. And what do you mean who knows if he denied his people? It's a documented fact he did. You can call what the US did to get him out of power fucked up while still saying Castro himself became exactly the dictator he once fought against

I say "who knows" because Castro may not have had access to the necessities for his people because of the embargo on his country. The OAS denied trade to the Cuban people to spite Castro for his politics, which caused him to embrace those politics more fervently. You can only hold Castro accountable for the decisions he made within the context of the choices he had.

 

[D0wn]

I knew a few cubans in the dR

trust me when i say.....dark skin is still very bad to have.but its twice as bad in latin america.

white cubans look at themselves as cuban. and they look at black cubans as afro cubans.....thats bullshit.

cubas whole culture is based off africa....maybe not whole but alot.

i hate seeing how dark skinned people are treated in latin America.

they showed it as soon as obama opened cuba up. the dark skinned people started to get pushed out....

case and point
http://bostonreview.net/world/michelle-chase-us-cuba-relations-afro-cuban-inequality

This is perfect... the only thing is, most Latinos dont even look at blk latino as afro latino... they look at them as just blk, and not latino, despite 75% of the culture is Afro Latino influenced.

 

[blackrain]

I knew a few cubans in the dR

trust me when i say.....dark skin is still very bad to have.but its twice as bad in latin america.

white cubans look at themselves as cuban. and they look at black cubans as afro cubans.....thats bullshit.

cubas whole culture is based off africa....maybe not whole but alot.

i hate seeing how dark skinned people are treated in latin America.

they showed it as soon as obama opened cuba up. the dark skinned people started to get pushed out....

case and point
http://bostonreview.net/world/michelle-chase-us-cuba-relations-afro-cuban-inequality

This is perfect... the only thing is, most Latinos dont even look at blk latino as afro latino... they look at them as just blk, and not latino, despite 75% of the culture is Afro Latino influenced.

If you're not a black latino you really can't accurately speak on this...I've said it before on here the only times in my life I've ever had my race or ethnicity questioned is from black Americans who are shocked that black Latinos exist. Other latinos acknowledge us as just what we are...black latin people. Go watch the series Henry Louis Gates did and you'll see

 

[blackrain]

This thread is redundant. We already got this opinion of Castro in the last thread. If you feel the need to make these threads then do so, but I ask that the disapproval be consistent. Similar threads should be dedicated to Somoza, Diem, Pinochet, Trujillo, Duvalier, Mobutu, etc.

My stance has been consistent. Don't just pick at the parts of his legacy that agree with your anti US gov't stance to make him out to be a hero because he wasn't. He became exactly what he claimed to be against to maintain his power

Are you willing to to acknowledge the role of US influence on Cuban politics since their revolution against Spain? You excoriate his actions but refuse to acknowledge the 638 assassination attempts that altered the man Castro was and the politics he subscribed to? I honestly view this thread as subjective in regard to Cuban history. Did Castro deny his people? Who knows, but what is known is that the 65 embargo on his country had pushed him deeper into the hands of communism and is just as responsible for what was to come.

Yes I do acknowledge those things. Look at my posts about him I'm consistent with saying tell the whole story. And what do you mean who knows if he denied his people? It's a documented fact he did. You can call what the US did to get him out of power fucked up while still saying Castro himself became exactly the dictator he once fought against

I say "who knows" because Castro may not have had access to the necessities for his people because of the embargo on his country. The OAS denied trade to the Cuban people to spite Castro for his politics, which caused him to embrace those politics more fervently. You can only hold Castro accountable for the decisions he made within the context of the choices he had.

However you look at it he still made fucked up choices that took the lives of people who did nothing more than disagree with him. Taking writers and artists out of their homes and having them killed simply for being against you had nothing to do with the trade embargo. That was Castro trying to ensure there was nobody who would speak out against him publicly.

 

[JokerzWyld]

Training 1000 plus dissidents to invade a country in violation of an international treaty doesn't give you a moral high ground. Neither does supporting Dr. Orlando Bosch who blew up a Cuban airliner and fired a bazooka at a ship shipping humanitarian aid to Cuba. He received a week of celebration in Miami for his service. Any other country that did something like that again us would be a state sponsor of terrorism. History doesn't lie about these facts and policies.

 

[Shizlansky]

Using logic ppl logic in this bitch again.

 

[blackrain]

Training 1000 plus dissidents to invade a country in violation of an international treaty doesn't give you a moral high ground. Neither does supporting Dr. Orlando Bosch who blew up a Cuban airliner and fired a bazooka at a ship shipping humanitarian aid to Cuba. He received a week of celebration in Miami for his service. Any other country that did something like that again us would be a state sponsor of terrorism. History doesn't lie about these facts and policies.

History also doesn't lie about the people Castro had killed...but he pissed off America so it's cool right?

 

[R.D.]

V

 

[janklow]

I say "who knows" because Castro may not have had access to the necessities for his people because of the embargo on his country. The OAS denied trade to the Cuban people to spite Castro for his politics, which caused him to embrace those politics more fervently. You can only hold Castro accountable for the decisions he made within the context of the choices he had.

what about the embargo forced him to remain a dictator?