Y'all heard about California making a law that

[bmoreeast]

you are not only born gay... It's a nature nurture thing. Not solely nature. By saying this you are taking all blame out of the environment and putting it all on the genetics. that is not the case.

People are born gay my nigga.

With all the shit they be putting those gay niggas thru i highly doubt if its a choice.

 

[texas409]

actually they have been murdered by plenty who feel gays shouldn't even be allowed to live...being gay isn't some new trend that popped up in the 90's it's been something human beings engaged in for a few millenium... and plenty of gay people have contributed to the history of the world...it's just that them being gay had little to do with it so mentioning in school that such and such historical figure was also gay really is pointless...

hundreds of thousands murdered during slavery and the holocaust>>>>>>>>>hundreds of sweet niggas gettin chopped up for being doo doo chasers

 

[blackrain]

I'm not African American, I'm British.

So there hasn't been a gay slavery? Okay.

All I'm saying is that what happened to black people (in my first post I never specifically spoke about African Americans, I spoke about black people on a whole) is not comparable to the gay struggle. Just as I would not compare the womans struggle and trials and tribulations to the holocaust.

Glad we agree on the bill. How about California sort out its deficit first.

but the thing is though whenever anyone mentions Civil Rights for any other group the first thing most black people, in America, counter with is "Civil Rights is OUR struggle." as if being oppressed was solely restricted to black people...I don't agree with comparing struggles of any oppressed group, but to say that the gay fighting for civil rights isn't related just based on the fact that they're being denied civil rights is just letting a personal bias blind you from the obvious...don't feel they should marry, adopt, eat in the same restaurant? you're entitled to feel that way, but to say it's not a denial of basic civil rights is wrong....

 

[blackrain]

You don't know his entire life. You weren't there every second of his life studying and analyzing all of his surroundings and experiences each and every day. Could have easily been something outside of the home to influence his brain development to become so. The brain is physically as fragile and plastic as the personalities within it. Any little thing can make a big change.

To say that there is no nature involved in homosexuality is ignorant and discredits decades of study in molecular psychology

I never discounted the influence of nature, I'm simply doubting how strong of an influence it is...given that plenty of gay couples have raised kids who turn out to be heterosexual...and given the fact that heterosexual people continue to produce children who turn out to be gay I'm thinking it's something that's a much stronger determining factor than nature...

 

[Ibex]

No Gays in my family post

 

[bmoreeast]

fixed for you.

Just like some people are born with mental illness, and some develop it later on through stress or other environmental changes.

But it's ignorant to say all homosexuals are born that way and thats how it is 100% of the time. its all nature and no percent nurture. environment, eating habits and other factors play no role in mental development in human beings. at 30 you are the same person you were at 10. right?

give me a break.

So when did you know that you were attracted to women and not men?

 

[blackrain]

Do I think gays are denied some civil rights? Yes I do. I don't care if gays adopt, etc.

I think you should remember that many other "oppressed" groups who were fighting their civil rights at the same time as African Americans i.e suffragettes, working class etc didn't want to associate with the "niggers" in case people turn away from their cause. So even though black people are not the only ones fighting for civil rights, it is understandable where they are coming from.

You know, the irony regarding the black and gay comparison is that when prop 8 passed, many of the large gay publications blamed black folk for it's passing even though that literally makes no sense if you look at the numbers. It was the Mormons who were very influential in that whole Prop 8 debacle. Also one of my mothers friends who is a prominent gay film maker (not Tyler Perry) has constantly spoken out about the gay entertainment industry sidelining black gays. So I always find that incredibly amusing and ironic.

no...i can't understand wanting a monopoly on civil rights as if you were the only group of people to ever face serious levels of oppression...it's like wanting to be given an award for who got fucked over the worse

 

[bmoreeast]

some time in grade school when my male hormones started taking effect.

Which happened naturally right so why wouldnt you think that a person thats gay hormones wouldnt effect them the same way?

 

[bmoreeast]

it could be any number of reasons why they're gay, and all of them are beyond the persons control. But hormone levels are effected by both environment and genetics, so I still don't see what you're saying...

All i'm saying is both play a part and you can not say it's all genetic

Nature Vs Nurture - both play a role

So when people grow up in the same environment then why do some people remain straight while others are gay?

Or how is it that some people can grow up in the same household and one is gay and the other isnt.

I think in some extreme cases that it maybe possible for someones nurturing or lack there of to affect their sexuality but i think that those cases are limited.

 

[justifiable homicide]

ok first off African Americans need to come to the realization that they do NOT have a monopoly on the term "Civil Rights"...civil rights is just that...civil...not "Rights only denied to black people in the United States of America"...anytime anyone that's not black mentions civil rights AA's always come screaming "That's ours"...no it's not...just as neither me or you can help being black, a gay person can't help being born gay...and to be denied rights given to everyone else based on something you had no choice in, that's the comparison...no more no less...and with that said...I 150% agree that this bill is stupid....

No one is born gay...I swear on my daughter's life, the next person I hear say that they were born gay, I'm going to prison because I'm gonna curb stomp their holly jolly ass

 

[NastyNasty]

Liberals want kids to talk about gay sex in health class also. Tops, bottoms, etc....

Should be implemented in a few blue states by 2014.

 

[MeTaL]

hmm, Forcing a lifestyle on others and hitting people with a penalty who speaks their minds on it, seems reaching.

 

[bmoreeast]

Liberals want kids to talk about gay sex in health class also. Tops, bottoms, etc....

Should be implemented in a few blue states by 2014.

Post that article. Cuz that sounds like a lie.

 

[mryounggun]

While I don't agree with the bill, a lot of y'all niggas is mad ignorant. SMH.

 

[Knives Amilli]

I do not agree. Pain is pain but there are LEVELS. I would not compare breaking my toe to the repeated rape of a 7 year old child.

Let's say someone got locked up unjustly for 10 days and was, say, forced to clean the floors. Then on their release say their time inside was like the Jews in the concentration camps or like African American forced to work on fields during slavery or like the Tibetan monks at the hands of the Chinese, people would call them crazy and rightly so. You know why? Because there are LEVELS.

that wasn't a good comparison (the broke toe vs. rape) since the injuries didn't arise from a common origin and are superficially related in the vast and diverse experience of "pain".

To use your example of rape, typically whether a rape victim was a bit manhandled and escaped or was brutally gangraped for a week, the common experience of being violated, feeling powerless, and being traumatized stays with them. We can argue alllll fucking day about who had it worse, but the common experience of alienation, discrimination, a denial of power and rights exists.

 

[Knives Amilli]

also the AA v gay comparisons are silly and unnecessary...
it trivializes the plight of AA honestly...
gayness is not something that needs to be openly publicized...
you shouldn't be discriminated against for your sexual preferences, but you shouldn't be advertising it in every fucking social encounter you have...
skin color cannot be hidden in most cases...

If your going to tell LGBT's to stop "advertising", tell Caribbean niggas to take their flags off their cars. Tell spics, Chinks, and any other foreigners to speak English in public knowing DAMN WELL they know how to speak English. Matter of fact, go take a time machine and tell the Blacks of the '60s and '70s to knock it off with that Black Pride shit, its upsetting and scaring the White people.

Minorities have a habit of indulging in advertising their respective individual identities as a means of letting larger society know that they exist and they're different. Im not going to act like what LGBT's do doesn't occasionally get the side eye from me, but I understand why they do what they do even though Illl never understand "what" it is they do.

Here's another thought:

Maybe, just maybe if larger society didnt' get hung up on whose fucking who and gender roles, the LGBT community could integrate easier into the" mainstream consciousness" of society instead of forging and indulging in flamboyant behavior out of spite for the many instances of repression and hatred they endure, sorta kind of how like blatant homos existed in Japanese, Macedonian, and Roman culture without people so much as batting an eye.

 

[Knives Amilli]

um...
that rant was pure bullshit...
what you do in your bedroom is not the same as ethnic pride...
the condition of your butthole is a private matter... do I need to let everyone I meet know how many times I have slept with a bitch in a maids outfit? no... thats personal...
if the condition of your butthole is a character trait that you feel the need to broadcast at every opportunity, prepare for ridicule...
it is not the same as ethnic/racial pride...

Your right. Sexual orientation shouldn't matter just as ethnic/national origin or religion or whatever shouldn't matter.

Now tell that to humanity.

Subcultures and pride movements 9/10 are created out of a feeling of spite, alienation, and discrimination and a desire to voice an empowered identity to larger society. Larger societies create minority movements bro, and the creation of the gay pride is near identical to the creation of Black pride.

 

[garv]

also the AA v gay comparisons are silly and unnecessary...
it trivializes the plight of AA honestly...
gayness is not something that needs to be openly publicized...
you shouldn't be discriminated against for your sexual preferences, but you shouldn't be advertising it in every fucking social encounter you have...
skin color cannot be hidden in most cases...

Thank you these niggas make me sick with their sick mentality, i find it hard to beleive how someone can be dumb the whole point of comparing sexuality with race is stupid in itself, a gay man in the 1900s could hide his sexuality, the whole world didn't have to know who he was fucking, a black man in the 1900s couldn't hide his skin colour, the same skin colour meant he was attacked in both a private and professionally climate, there is absolutely no comparison to be drawn from the two at all, anyone that does if a fool.

 

[bmoreeast]

If your going to tell LGBT's to stop "advertising", tell Caribbean niggas to take their flags off their cars. Tell spics, Chinks, and any other foreigners to speak English in public knowing DAMN WELL they know how to speak English. Matter of fact, go take a time machine and tell the Blacks of the '60s and '70s to knock it off with that Black Pride shit, its upsetting and scaring the White people.

Minorities have a habit of indulging in advertising their respective individual identities as a means of letting larger society know that they exist and they're different. Im not going to act like what LGBT's do doesn't occasionally get the side eye from me, but I understand why they do what they do even though Illl never understand "what" it is they do.

Here's another thought:

Maybe, just maybe if larger society didnt' get hung up on whose fucking who and gender roles, the LGBT community could integrate easier into the" mainstream consciousness" of society instead of forging and indulging in flamboyant behavior out of spite for the many instances of repression and hatred they endure, sorta kind of how like blatant homos existed in Japanese, Macedonian, and Roman culture without people so much as batting an eye.

While i do agree with you're post i gotta admit that flamboyently gay niggas irritates everyone and i think are some of the main reasons why alot of people hate on gay dudes.

Its the same as loud obnoxious ignorant black people are hated because they make the race looks bad and enforces the stereotype that people have of us. Them loud wanna be seen always dancing in the middle of the street vogueing gay dudes make it hard for their culture cuz they help enforce an unfair stereotype.

 

[garv]

Your right. Sexual orientation shouldn't matter just as ethnic/national origin or religion or whatever shouldn't matter.

Now tell that to humanity.

Subcultures and pride movements 9/10 are created out of a feeling of spite, alienation, and discrimination and a desire to voice an empowered identity to larger society. Larger societies create minority movements bro, and the creation of the gay pride is near identical to the creation of Black pride.

What the fuck are you talking about, what don't you understand about what he posted, your sexuality is private, you can hide it, my next door neighbour don't know what sexuality i am or who i'm fucking, therefore the idea of him discriminating against me based on my sexuality is a non entity. However he does know i'm black, that is plain to see, he can discriminate against me based on this because it is something i cann't hide, what part of this don't you understand, comparing the black civil rights movement and the gay struggle is completely silly, i swear i don't know what groups are more senile radical feminists or gay rights advocates like you.